Midfield_General Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68580638 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Theres a man in the FFP team that has marvelous hair. Surely a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisbury Saint Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Would that happen this season though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Charges are being brought by the PL, so surely they would only deduct points if Leicester go up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Sarisbury Saint said: Would that happen this season though ? Last week it was stated it wouldn’t, I don’t know if anything has changed since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just now, Saint NL said: Charges are being brought by the PL, so surely they would only deduct points if Leicester go up. That is my understanding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 It's all a bit of a mess isn't it. Want too long ago that Leicester were taking about suing Everton over the same thing. What happens if Leicester don't get promoted, is it just forgotten about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 They'll start the season on minus points, nothing to see here really. All of this points deduction shit is getting on my tits though when you have the likes of Man City under investigation for over 100 more breaches, yet they're still swimming their way to another treble. FA/EPL need to grow a pair of bollocks quickly, putting 'smaller' clubs to the sword is such a pathetic way of proving FFP or whatever they call it. I look forward to Chelsea's million point deduction next year. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Except the EFL are also investigating Leicester. Now Saints have a vested interest… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 7 minutes ago, It's There said: Except the EFL are also investigating Leicester. Now Saints have a vested interest… Yeah looks like it A second financial probe Leicester are now involved in dealing with two financial investigations, with the club the subject of an ongoing English Football League inquiry into a possible breach of PSR rules relating to the ongoing season. The club were forecast to breach loss limits for the ongoing three-year term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 29 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: They'll start the season on minus points, nothing to see here really. All of this points deduction shit is getting on my tits though when you have the likes of Man City under investigation for over 100 more breaches, yet they're still swimming their way to another treble. FA/EPL need to grow a pair of bollocks quickly, putting 'smaller' clubs to the sword is such a pathetic way of proving FFP or whatever they call it. I look forward to Chelsea's million point deduction next year. Yep also chelsea and man united able to be hundreds of millions in debt and spend hundreds of millions every year. None of them will ever get a points deduction Edited March 21 by Turkish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 EFL probing aswell so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 My Ipswich mate reckons they are in big trouble if don’t go up think the Keiffer Moore deal is big loan fee and paying his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 14 minutes ago, Turkish said: Yep also chelsea and man united able to be hundreds of millions in debt and spend hundreds of millions every year. None of them will ever get a points deduction Exactly that, more so Chelsea - look at the spend they've had, they're not even in Europe nor will they be this year. How can they cover their losses? You'd think there will be a mega deduction coming their way, but you know there won't be. It's this sort of shit which kind of makes me want a breakaway league - let those fuckers piss off and play with their fat cheque books, let the proper clubs go about it like we always used to. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 As the EFL is the poorer cousin of the PL, then expect the points deduction to be about a quarter of the size, so probably just a one point deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 The latest is as the transgressions happened in the PL the punishment will happen in the PL this sounds nonsense. So in the unlikely event they don’t go up they won’t be punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die Mannyschaft Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Brilliant, more points deductions for more teams. The whole football system is out if control with players fees and wages, managers fees etc etc. Clubs trying to buy the title at any cost, or even safety and promotion. If you buy £1billion of players and end up outside top 6 you should points deducted anyway!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 From a partisan point of view, sadly this won't help us. We aren't going to end up 3 points behind Leicester and suddenly hear they have a 4 point deduction and we are promoted/champions....tbh, even if we did, what a thoroughly crap way to get back up. More generally, the financial fair play stuff is simply insane. It will get far worse when the football regulator gets brought in. The easy solution is to simply demand clubs (or new buyers of clubs) keep money in an escrow account at a sufficient level to keep that club afloat. That should be a requirement for getting the "golden ticket". Then pretty much let clubs do whatever they want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Marky Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) Haven’t they tried to gain an advantage by overspending, ok it didn’t work out for them last year, but they still have maintained an advantage in the championship this year with the calibre of players, so it seems unfair that they could return to the prem having used this advantage. Surely the correct thing would be to deduct them points now, so they don’t achieve this. It’s like Everton , 10 points reduced to 6, pathetic really, looks like they really do want that lovely new stadium being showcased in the prem. Edited March 22 by Saint Marky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Finances in football are just nuts. When the Glazers bought Man Utd they simply shifted to cost as debt to the club and have done that every year with dividends. They're over a billion in debt. Abramovich wrote of something like £1.5 billion in debt to Chelsea when he sold. The whole thing seems to be based upon the premise that they'll be able to pay it off later as TV revenues spiral upwards. And that's before the "fair play" rules to prevent anyone but the top clubs spending money. Never mind the points deduction. If you breach it should be down to League Two with you. No questions asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 We were shit but 3 teams above us cheated and we don't get the benefit, other teams do. Seems fair... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 11 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Exactly that, more so Chelsea - look at the spend they've had, they're not even in Europe nor will they be this year. How can they cover their losses? You'd think there will be a mega deduction coming their way, but you know there won't be. It's this sort of shit which kind of makes me want a breakaway league - let those fuckers piss off and play with their fat cheque books, let the proper clubs go about it like we always used to. But Chelsea are in serious danger of breaching PSR and being hit with sanctions this summer. there was an excellent guest with Simon Jordan last week (or the week before), who is an SME on this, and just shot down this type of argument (mainly posed by the likes of Henry winter)…. Basically, the general public do not really know the detail (at all) of what premier league clubs all agreed to sign up to. Those clubs are now receiving or facing sanctions from their own rules, so are changing the rules. covid added significant levels of complexities with additional allowable adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLYDO Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Would love to go up automatically but it looks like the playoffs. If so we would be up against any one of Leeds, Ipswich and now possibly Leicester. Not sure which one I’d like to face at Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 10 minutes ago, BILLYDO said: Would love to go up automatically but it looks like the playoffs. If so we would be up against any one of Leeds, Ipswich and now possibly Leicester. Not sure which one I’d like to face at Wembley. And I suspect fans of all three of those sides wouldn't like to face us either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 43 minutes ago, BILLYDO said: Would love to go up automatically but it looks like the playoffs. If so we would be up against any one of Leeds, Ipswich and now possibly Leicester. Not sure which one I’d like to face at Wembley. Persoanlly I'd like to avoid Leeds to currently seem to be the complete package. But the farce or 'lottery' of the playoffs is such that any one of those teams might slip up to WBA, Hull, Norwich or whoever in their SF. Added to which we're not guaranteed to win our SF either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Perhaps the reason the PL don't go after the big clubs who have breached FFP rules is that those clubs have the money to employ top lawyers to mount a prolonged challenge in the courts of any ruling against them and the PL are scared of this. The small clubs don't have the financial means to fight civil court challenges in that way. Same in real life really, individuals seldom have the means to challenge in the civil courts whereas corporations do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 hours ago, BILLYDO said: Would love to go up automatically but it looks like the playoffs. If so we would be up against any one of Leeds, Ipswich and now possibly Leicester. Not sure which one I’d like to face at Wembley. We would fucking smash them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 12 hours ago, OttawaSaint said: We were shit but 3 teams above us cheated and we don't get the benefit, other teams do. Seems fair... I get the sentiment but even if all three of those teams had their 6 points deductions last season we'd have still comfortably finished bottom. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 17 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Perhaps the reason the PL don't go after the big clubs who have breached FFP rules is that those clubs have the money to employ top lawyers to mount a prolonged challenge in the courts of any ruling against them and the PL are scared of this. The small clubs don't have the financial means to fight civil court challenges in that way. Same in real life really, individuals seldom have the means to challenge in the civil courts whereas corporations do. Even the smallest Premier League club is an eight- or nine-figure company. I don't believe they can't afford lawyers. 13 hours ago, Saint_clark said: I get the sentiment but even if all three of those teams had their 6 points deductions last season we'd have still comfortably finished bottom. If all three of those clubs were punished severely and in a timely manner (got relegated to the National League to start this season) we'd still be in the Premier League. ---------------- The proper solution to the whole mess is a salary cap. Either the PL+FA bring in a hard salary cap for the top four leagues and treat any breaches harshly, with clubs allowed to have players under contract but not in their PL squad; if a club wants to sign Ronaldo or Messi for megabucks to only use them in Europe and the cups, that's fine. A 45-year-old Ronaldo leading Man U against Eastleigh in the fourth round of the FA Cup would bring some hype to the competition. They could even have completely different league and non-league squads; that'd shut up some of the whinging about fixture congestion while still keeping English clubs competitive in Europe (the main argument against a PL salary cap being that PL clubs would be outspent by other big European clubs). Or a soft salary cap and luxury tax like the NBA; for example clubs can spend £45m per year on player wages, and then for every £1 they spend over that they also pay £1 into a pool which is distributed at the end of the year between PL teams that didn't exceed the cap (50%), Championship teams (20%), League 1 & League 2 teams (10% each), and an FA Grassroots Fund for non-league and women's football (10%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 20 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Perhaps the reason the PL don't go after the big clubs who have breached FFP rules is that those clubs have the money to employ top lawyers to mount a prolonged challenge in the courts of any ruling against them and the PL are scared of this. The small clubs don't have the financial means to fight civil court challenges in that way. Same in real life really, individuals seldom have the means to challenge in the civil courts whereas corporations do. Nottingham Forest spent £130m on players last summer. To say they don't have the financial means to hire lawyers and fight a case is just silly. They're not some ramshackle local post office. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 There’s rich and poor in every aspect of life and it’s relative wherever you look. Football should be no different, if you happen to have a sugar daddy then good luck to you, spend what you want. All this meddling, on top of VAR, is just destroying the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 There will always be richer clubs than other clubs whatever league you’re in. That’s not the issue here. It’s whether you ruin the COMPETITION by cheating rules or simply use your money to hoover up talent and plonk it on the bench so other teams don’t get a look in….thats the problem. Leicester are as complicit as City or Chelsea and should face points deduction now for their past misdemeanour’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 22/03/2024 at 08:37, BILLYDO said: Would love to go up automatically but it looks like the playoffs. If so we would be up against any one of Leeds, Ipswich and now possibly Leicester. Not sure which one I’d like to face at Wembley. Would have to beat WBA or Hull (or Coventry or Norwich first). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 The premier league is a shit show. How can anybody support a team that could be docked points at any time. If a lot of people break the rules then it must mean that the rules are not clear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) Agree with the above Premier League is nothing but a circus 🎪 Let's not dress it up it's corrupt... That's why I couldn't give a damm if we return and end up cannon fodder for the " big clubs " Forget Leicester and Everton... Throw the book at the Likes of Chelsea, Man City for a start.... Kick them out the league strip them of titles and make a statement! Or tell them to jog on and form another super league. I went off the premier league years ago. Even the commentators are biased towards the big clubs... it's never oh look at Saints fair play they are doing alright with the tools they have..... It's always Liverpool *wank* signed some player for 80 million *wank* and they won a cup *wank* klopp turkey teeth this *wank" absolute biased trifle being spat about on a weekly basis.. I'm done with the Premier league Edited March 23 by ally_uk Arse 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 What is it about Leicester? A few years ago they avoided a meaningful 10 point deduction by announcing administration a few minutes before the season ended. Rules changed after that and as we know too well point deductions can now be carried over to the next season. Clearly Leicester don't need to follow the same rules as everyone else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I blame Gary Lineker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 37 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said: I blame Gary Lineker. Big eared twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: Big eared twat. People of colours like Linekar have enough to deal with, without you picking on his ears 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 37 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: People of colours like Linekar have enough to deal with, without you picking on his ears Sorry, I meant Miltonaggro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 22/03/2024 at 14:40, Saint_clark said: I get the sentiment but even if all three of those teams had their 6 points deductions last season we'd have still comfortably finished bottom. No arguing that we were the shittest team in the league. But the point raised is completely valid. If Leicester go up anyway, and get a points deduction next season, their cheating was totally worth it. It’s us and Leeds who have been shafted because we followed the rules. Plus, who knows, if we had cheated like they did, we could have signed or kept a couple of players that would have made a huge difference. In championship clubs are incentivised to break the rules and go all out to get promotion. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 23/03/2024 at 23:27, Osvaldorama said: No arguing that we were the shittest team in the league. But the point raised is completely valid. If Leicester go up anyway, and get a points deduction next season, their cheating was totally worth it. It’s us and Leeds who have been shafted because we followed the rules. Plus, who knows, if we had cheated like they did, we could have signed or kept a couple of players that would have made a huge difference. In championship clubs are incentivised to break the rules and go all out to get promotion. Exactly this. We have been fucked twice. This season and last! Had we spent the additional £50m on new players (including a striker ) in the summer we have done much better. We also would have had a stronger squad going down if we had been relegated. Either way we were cheated and as such 6 points is hardly an incentive not to cheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 hours ago, wild-saint said: Exactly this. We have been fucked twice. This season and last! Had we spent the additional £50m on new players (including a striker ) in the summer we have done much better. We also would have had a stronger squad going down if we had been relegated. Either way we were cheated and as such 6 points is hardly an incentive not to cheat You can't blame Leicester because we're not good at spending money - how much was tall Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Bates Statue Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 23/03/2024 at 23:27, Osvaldorama said: Plus, who knows, if we had cheated like they did, we could have signed or kept a couple of players that would have made a huge difference. In championship clubs are incentivised to break the rules and go all out to get promotion. I understand they wanted to leave and we wouldn't stand in their way, but I do wonder how we would be doing if we had kept JWP and Tella. Given our September slump after their departures, it's not outrageous to say we would have taken a few more wins. ah well, our fate is still in our hands (to throw it all away in the next ten games) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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