Goals Conceded

[spyinthesky]

I think details may have been posted before but:

First 7 games   -   Goals Conceded 19 (12 scored)     W3   D1  L3

Next 27 games -      "           "           17  (52 scored)    W17  D7 L2

Next  8 games -      "            "           18 (18 scored)      W4   D- L4

Lets hope the system is tweaked to ensure a return to the mid season run of results but ensuring that any losses are not against Ipswich, Leicester or Leeds.

[gammon cheeks]

Just go back to a settled back four ..we don't need Stephens in it ..unless injury at centre back 

[HKsaint]

But RM is cleverer than us. 

[Oh no Mick Mills]

1 hour ago, gammon cheeks said:

Just go back to a settled back four ..we don't need Stephens in it ..unless injury at centre back 

Jack Stephens stats this season. 

Played 15

Won 12

Draw 2 

Lost 1 

 

[beatlesaint]

53 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

Jack Stephens stats this season. 

Played 15

Won 12

Draw 2 

Lost 1 

 

Thats ignoring the basic fact of this thread which is the number of goals coneded. 

How many of these - Next 27 games -     Goals Conceded        17  (52 scored)    W17  D7 L2 - did he play in ?

It's not an attack on Jack, its facts and stats !

[VectisSaint]

48 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Thats ignoring the basic fact of this thread which is the number of goals coneded. 

How many of these - Next 27 games -     Goals Conceded        17  (52 scored)    W17  D7 L2 - did he play in ?

It's not an attack on Jack, its facts and stats !

11, and we conceded 7 in those games (Stephens played 90 minutes in half of them, 3 of those were against Liverpool). We started conceding goals in the last 8 games when Stephens did not play (with the exception of Liverpool), those are facts/stats. Stephens is not the problem. The problems started against Huddersfield, yet the back 4 that day was KWP, THB, Bednarek, Manning with Downes DM. Bristol City, same back 4, but Downes injured replaced by Charles. West Brom (won 2-0) Stephens replaces Manning. Hull, the "first choice" Back 4 again but no Downes or Charles. Millwall tinkered with Manning out, KWP on left and THB on right, no Downes. Birmingham, no KWP, Downes back but we did win. Sunderland still no KWP but again we did win. 

Fact is that it is not Stephens causing the issues with goals conceded but a combination of injuries to key players (KWP, Downes, Bree), and having to tinker to cover for these. Martin has to take some "credit" for these issues, by playing people in the wrong positions, THB especially is better in the centre than on the right, but there is also a confidence factor, once teams worked out how to score against us (started with Huddersfield) our defence has lost confidence and often now seem to panic, including the usually unflappable THB, not really sure for the reason. 

Seriously hope that we settle on a back 4 of KWP, THB, Bednarek and Bree with Downes in front for the run-in, but suspect RM will prefer Manning, who I see as the weak link.

[Dark Munster]

4 hours ago, HKsaint said:

But RM is cleverer than us. 

He certainly thinks he is. Similar to Ankersen. 

[Osvaldorama]

2 hours ago, VectisSaint said:

11, and we conceded 7 in those games (Stephens played 90 minutes in half of them, 3 of those were against Liverpool). We started conceding goals in the last 8 games when Stephens did not play (with the exception of Liverpool), those are facts/stats. Stephens is not the problem. The problems started against Huddersfield, yet the back 4 that day was KWP, THB, Bednarek, Manning with Downes DM. Bristol City, same back 4, but Downes injured replaced by Charles. West Brom (won 2-0) Stephens replaces Manning. Hull, the "first choice" Back 4 again but no Downes or Charles. Millwall tinkered with Manning out, KWP on left and THB on right, no Downes. Birmingham, no KWP, Downes back but we did win. Sunderland still no KWP but again we did win. 

Fact is that it is not Stephens causing the issues with goals conceded but a combination of injuries to key players (KWP, Downes, Bree), and having to tinker to cover for these. Martin has to take some "credit" for these issues, by playing people in the wrong positions, THB especially is better in the centre than on the right, but there is also a confidence factor, once teams worked out how to score against us (started with Huddersfield) our defence has lost confidence and often now seem to panic, including the usually unflappable THB, not really sure for the reason. 

Seriously hope that we settle on a back 4 of KWP, THB, Bednarek and Bree with Downes in front for the run-in, but suspect RM will prefer Manning, who I see as the weak link.

No one is blaming Stephens. Everyone is blaming shoehorning players into incorrect positions because of Stephens. 

[The Cat]

13 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

No one is blaming Stephens. Everyone is blaming shoehorning players into incorrect positions because of Stephens. 

He didn't play against Huddersfield, Bristol City or Hull. All 3 games we started with our normal defence yet we either let in 3 goals or lost.

Since then he's played 1 league game we have lost (Millwall) and 2 we have won. I couldn't really care less how many goals we let in if we get 3 points.

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

No one is blaming Stephens. 

Right. That's cleared that up then. 🤔

Edited 17 March, 2024 by VectisSaint

[Wade Garrett]

On 17/03/2024 at 14:10, Dark Munster said:

He certainly thinks he is. Similar to Ankersen. 

They’re idiots if they think suicideball at the back is the way to go.  We would get eaten alive playing like that in the Premier League

[Pamplemousse]

Playing like that would be fine, we just need better players who can do it at that level

[SaintTex]

On 14/03/2024 at 07:47, spyinthesky said:

I think details may have been posted before but:

First 7 games   -   Goals Conceded 19 (12 scored)     W3   D1  L3

Next 27 games -      "           "           17  (52 scored)    W17  D7 L2

Next  8 games -      "            "           18 (18 scored)      W4   D- L4
 

that is pretty stark and laid bare. The success of our season hinges on about limiting goals conceded. We were doing it for awhile (see unbeaten streak)

the only reason our dip in form in the last 8 matches has not been as bad as the dip at the beginning of the season is the 18 scored v. 12 scored.

I am not going to be blaming Stephens, but RM needs to figure it out.

[Miltonaggro]

Likely best bet using the eyes at our games:

Bree - Harwood-Bellis - Bednarek - Walker-Peters.

Bar injuries to these players. Then like for like. Simple really.

Edited 19 March, 2024 by Miltonaggro