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4 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said:

I thunk you are wrong. We played the best team in the country atm. They have scored 101 goals before today. Against most teams on today's performance we'd do well. We should have scored in the first half and this game would have been different. But the forward line haven't had the opportunity to play many games to practice 

The best team in the country? It was an Under 21 side bar Van Dick, Gomez and Gakpo

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Just a general class difference, their kids are better than our first team.

Sulemana needs a massive kick up the arse, just thick as shit, never knows the right thing to do. Our knock it around at the back style will just get massacred against a decent team, never mind a team of teenagers. Edozie, see Sulemana above. Mara, you too.

Meh. I expected to get done by a few by their reserve team. Nice enough display but the usual Russball failings.

End story, we got undone by a side who had more than a few of their players made up from the under 21s.

Oh, and Small boner is genuinely fucking dreadful. Get rid, an absolute nothing of a player.

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20 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Yes. I've learned that we are nowhere near ready to be competing in the PL yet, and it's probably for the best that we don't get promoted this season because we would need to upgrade pretty much our entire squad in the summer to avoid getting utterly humiliated.

Your first point is obviously true, and we didn't need this match to prove it.

But it doesn't follow that therefore it's better not to get promoted.

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7 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Russ looked fuming in the interview, there’s an advocado that’s going to get smashed on the coach journey home! 

No self respecting member of the Green Party would have an avocado think of the carbon footprint FFS

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7 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Unfortunately the likes of Chelsea and Man City have a number of satellite academies across the uk, including in Hampshire. Any talent that would have likely ended up under our care is now being allured by the package these clubs offer them and their families.

We’ll still have a few breakthrough but whether they’ll ever be at the level we’ve been lucky enough to witness over the years is unlikely.

Back to tonight and the result was to be expected although we played better than I thought we would. Crap finishing and lack of striker has once again cost us, and the last minute equaliser proves pointless and costly given the fatigue and possible injury to KWP.

We also have academy's in all parts of the country and we will go on and develop the best players and feed them through when they are ready. Some clubs do this too soon or offer impossible to turn down deals so we lose some. Our accademy is still world renowned as one the best

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8 minutes ago, Forester said:

Wow, so much negativity on here.  A reminder that, having changed half the team, we have just lost away to the Premier League leaders but having outplayed them for an hour.

The difference, as so often the case, is in both boxes.  Liverpool were clinical, we were wasteful.  Positives for me were Stephens, Charles, Rothwell, Aribo (first hour).  Despite not scoring I also thought Kamaldeen looked sharpest I have seen him this season.

I don’t get the “no point being promoted” narrative.  It’s pretty obvious there is a big gulf.  But from our current squad I think the following are all capable of being in a Premier League squad, albeit not all as starters:

Bazanu, KWP, THB, Bednarek, Stephens, Charles, Aribo, Armstrong (S), Armstrong (A), Kamaldeen.  But we would need to make eight or nine signings.  That is what being promoted entails.

Well said Sir

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9 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Unfortunately the likes of Chelsea and Man City have a number of satellite academies across the uk, including in Hampshire. Any talent that would have likely ended up under our care is now being allured by the package these clubs offer them and their families.

We’ll still have a few breakthrough but whether they’ll ever be at the level we’ve been lucky enough to witness over the years is unlikely.

Back to tonight and the result was to be expected although we played better than I thought we would. Crap finishing and lack of striker has once again cost us, and the last minute equaliser proves pointless and costly given the fatigue and possible injury to KWP.

We have been very poor with recruitment of youngsters in our area for years and years. Bournemouth have been at Southampton Tyro games for many years too but never a sign of any Saints representation at games unless that has changed more recently….. 

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Just now, Turkish said:

No self respecting member of the Green Party would have an avocado think of the carbon footprint FFS

They’ll be a size 11 ECCO low rise sneaker footprint on the fucker as soon as they’re on the motorway. 

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4 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

 

somebody posted a stat that before today charles had played 200 mins and we hadnt conceded - maybe it’s bollocks and can’t be bothered to check but sides don’t run through us when he plays. if downes is still out he should play from now on 

and why do we concede so many shit and avoidable goals 

It doesn't bother me that his passing isn't the best. If you've got two ball playing CB's and two other good passes in midfield next to him then it's not the end of the world.

Certainly better than having 3 passers in there but none of them can tackle...

Which is what you get when Smallbone plays there. No defensive protection what so ever.

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II SEE HUGE POSITIVE SIGNS FROM THIS MATCH AND NOW WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON THE LEAGUE......

 

LEEDS ALSO LOST SO HOPEFULLY ITS THE BLIP THEY NEEDED....

 

AND LEICESTER STILL HAVE THE DISTRACTION OF THIS

 

THIS IS NOT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS....

 

COYR

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12 minutes ago, Forester said:

Wow, so much negativity on here.  A reminder that, having changed half the team, we have just lost away to the Premier League leaders but having outplayed them for an hour.

It’s interesting that you point out how many changes Saints made, but neglect to point out that Liverpool started out with only one player who would be in their first choice line up. Why is that?

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2 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said:

II SEE HUGE POSITIVE SIGNS FROM THIS MATCH AND NOW WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON THE LEAGUE......

 

LEEDS ALSO LOST SO HOPEFULLY ITS THE BLIP THEY NEEDED....

 

AND LEICESTER STILL HAVE THE DISTRACTION OF THIS

 

THIS IS NOT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS....

 

COYR

Loving the positivity

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12 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

How can the stats look so different what a lot of people saw with their eyes? Weird.

To me, every time he got it he wasn't ready and gave it away. He was also lazy when covering ground going backwards, only ever seems interested on the front foot. He's also weak as piss (to be expected from a 19/20 year old).

Overall, to my eye he's nowhere near good enough and not worth £10m+ in a million years.

I echo this I watched the game amount of times Charles and Smallbone gave the ball away was ridiculous... 

We're not talking about complicated stuff either basic passing...

1st half amount of chances we fluffed.... that's the difference Liverpool took the chances and were more clinical.

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2 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said:

II SEE HUGE POSITIVE SIGNS FROM THIS MATCH AND NOW WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON THE LEAGUE......

 

LEEDS ALSO LOST SO HOPEFULLY ITS THE BLIP THEY NEEDED....

 

AND LEICESTER STILL HAVE THE DISTRACTION OF THIS

 

THIS IS NOT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS....

 

COYR

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

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2 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said:

II SEE HUGE POSITIVE SIGNS FROM THIS MATCH AND NOW WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON THE LEAGUE......

 

LEEDS ALSO LOST SO HOPEFULLY ITS THE BLIP THEY NEEDED....

 

AND LEICESTER STILL HAVE THE DISTRACTION OF THIS

 

THIS IS NOT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS....

 

COYR

The difference being Leeds went toe to toe with a full or near full strength Chelsea team. We lost 3-0 to a bunch of academy players bar a few 

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8 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said:

II SEE HUGE POSITIVE SIGNS FROM THIS MATCH AND NOW WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON THE LEAGUE......

 

LEEDS ALSO LOST SO HOPEFULLY ITS THE BLIP THEY NEEDED....

 

AND LEICESTER STILL HAVE THE DISTRACTION OF THIS

 

THIS IS NOT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS....

 

COYR

Saints PR and media team doing a great job tonight

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Chelsea are midtable whilst Liverpool are top of the Premier League. 

Leeds are bang in form and are a better team than us. 

We are out of form. 

We rested our players because we have 3 league games in the next 7 days. 

They still at various points had Van Dyke, Gomez, Konate, Elliot, MacCallister and Gapko on the pitch. 

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2 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Old Kameltoe Sulemana needs one of Elon Musks brain implants. He would be world class if he occasionally made the correct decision. 

I’ve seen nothing to change my view on him, flatters to deceive, all fart no shit.

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6 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

The difference being Leeds went toe to toe with a full or near full strength Chelsea team. We lost 3-0 to a bunch of academy players bar a few 

We would give our right arm to have some of them on our team. They were yards better than our younger players ie Mara edozie and years younger

 

I don't really care what leeds did they lost... to a shit 1 billion pound Chelsea side 

Let's get behind the boys 

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7 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

I've given him credit on several occasions this season when he's deserved it. What do you think, would you give him another go in the PL if we were to get there?

I don't understand why we're calling out Bazunu in a thread about a game in which he didn't feature in? He wasn't even on the bench, yet people are still digging him out?

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Poor old injury-ravaged Liverpool, the plucky reds struggling on, down to the bare bones, heroically forced to field the kids, on a school night too - oh, here comes their world cup winner off the bench...

Nothing but a lazy media love-in script for the Klopp fairytale farewell.

And most of those kids are heading for careers at Tranmere and Fleetwood on that showing, a couple there couldn't trap a bag of cement.

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I was really happy with the first half, and surprised. It was fun, and frustrating. From 55 mins we lost shape and any form of possession. I thought Sulemana could have played 75/80 today. Not perfect but effective. Should not have been first sub.

Did we play out from the back tonight more often than the last few months? It reminded me of earlier Champ games, but since then we've mixed it up which has worked well.

There was so much space just across the half way line that we exploited when we did get it forward more quickly. 

It was a shame it petered out. I'm guessing we ended up with less than 50% possession and this will have been odd for the players as we rarely encounter that. 

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31 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

It’s interesting that you point out how many changes Saints made, but neglect to point out that Liverpool started out with only one player who would be in their first choice line up. Why is that?

That wasn’t the league leaders tonight was it. Disappointing and speaks volumes of get mentality unfortunately. That was there to be won tonight,  no arguments.

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Just watched that down the pub in Bristol, with a liverpool supporting mate. We were basically the only ones in there, such was the pulling power of Liverpool's C team.

And honestly, what an embarrassing performance - We were playing against children and really should have been up for that game and all over them. Yet they outplayed us comfortably for most of the match. Very worrying!!!

Martin once again set us up with 5 attackers in front of the defence and just one player assigned to defensive duties in midfield. We have got to start playing with one CDM anchor and one all around CM imo. The last time we started with that we won.... so be it Charles and Stu, or Charles and Smallbone etc. I don't care, but we need that more regimented and solid CM. For me, Rothwell offers nothing defensively (at least the way he's being instructed to play), and similarly Aribo is not sitting back either. We basically have no balance playing like this, we aren't keeping possession well enough, there is too little support or depth behind the attacks, and when the other team break we are wide open to it.

And once again, Martin set us up, we played well for 15min, then the opposition manager countered us and it was basically one way traffic from then on - Minimal adaption from us, lots of suicidal football with a much changed side, and basically no real threat 2nd half. It just isn't good enough and worrying he's showing no real signs of learning - just the same thing on repeat with different players.

What's even more concerning is how low on confidence the team appears to be atm. It shouldn't be this way after 25 games unbeaten. If we can't beat (or barely look up for beating) Liverpool's 18 and 16year old kids in a very winnable cup tie (lets be honest, thats probably the best chance our players would ever have had to win at Anfield) then I can't see us getting through the playoffs atm. Serious improvements needed.

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55 minutes ago, Forester said:

We have just lost away to the Premier League leaders but having outplayed them for an hour.

You know we were in white right?

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13 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

I've given him credit on several occasions this season when he's deserved it. What do you think, would you give him another go in the PL if we were to get there?

He's an Irish international who is only 22. Goalkeepers as we know hit their prime later than average. Last season he had not protection, and whilst there have been a few clangers this year there has been a big improvement - particularly collecting crosses and playing the ball out under pressure. He was clearly signed as a longer term investment by the club, and as we know goalkeepers tend to stay longer at one place than out field players (or at least that's my impression). 

He is clearly the best goalkeeper we have at the club right now.

If we get promoted we will need to sign 8 or 9 players for ~£20m each on average, and avoid falling foul of financial fair play in case we screw up and get relegated. I think it is unlikely we will sell him if we go up. I think we have many larger priorities for funds than another goalkeeper, and if his trajectory of improvement continues he will be at a similar level to PL teams that finish 10th-16th which realistically will be our level.

What will screw up this plan is if he loses his confidence because he gets loudly criticised by his own fans after every match (even one where we lost 3-0, he didn't play and wasn't on the subs bench).

In 15 months whether he's amazing or just good, as a ball playing international keeper with 3 seasons of first team starts he will be worth plenty - even if just bought as a back up. As far as I can see he is what we have until the summer of 2025 at least. Moaning endlessly will not change that, and is just likely to devalue him in numerous different ways.

Yes he screwed up for our first at the weekend, but he's also made some great stops that he wouldn't have made last season. I will always try to give our players the benefit of the doubt, otherwise being a fan ultimately just seems to be exchanging your time and attention for an excuse to be negative about someone who has broadly made a success of their life so far.

TLDR: Every time we moan about Bazunu it doesn't reduce the likelihood of him playing, it just reduces his value and makes him more likely to play badly in future games. 

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5 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Just watched that down the pub in Bristol, with a liverpool supporting mate. We were basically the only ones in there, such was the pulling power of Liverpool's C team.

And honestly, what an embarrassing performance - We were playing against children and really should have been up for that game and all over them. Yet they outplayed us comfortably for most of the match. Very worrying!!!

Martin once again set us up with 5 attackers in front of the defence and just one player assigned to defensive duties in midfield. We have got to start playing with one CDM anchor and one all around CM. Be it Charles and Stu, or Charles and Smallbone etc. Rothwell offers nothing defensively (at least the way he's being instructed to play), and similarly Aribo is not sitting back either. We basically have no balance playing like this.

And once again, Martin set us up, we played well for 15min, then the opposition manager countered us and it was basically one way traffic from then on - Minimal adaption from us, lots of suicidal football with a much changed side, and basically no real threat 2nd half. It just isn't good enough and worrying he's showing no real signs of learning - just the same thing on repeat with different players.

What's even more concerning is how low on confidence the team appears to be atm. It shouldn't be this way after 25 games unbeaten. If we can't beat (or barely look up for beating) Liverpool's 18 and 16year old kids in a very winnable cup tie (lets be honest, thats probably the best chance our players would ever have had to win at Anfield) then I can't see us getting through the playoffs atm. Serious improvements needed.

Sorry mate, Martin got it wrong in last 3 losses but not tonight. We didn’t play our best team rightly and he actually did the right thing and played Charles as the 6.

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4 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Just watched that down the pub in Bristol, with a liverpool supporting mate. We were basically the only ones in there, such was the pulling power of Liverpool's C team.

And honestly, what an embarrassing performance - We were playing against children, and they outplayed us comfortably.

Martin once again set us up with 5 attackers in front of the defence and just one player assigned to defensive duties in midfield. We have got to start playing with one CDM anchor and one all around CM. Be it Charles and Stu, or Charles and Smallbone etc. Rothwell offers nothing defensively (at least the way he's being instructed to play), and similarly Aribo is not sitting back either. We basically have no balance playing like this.

And once again, Martin set us up, we played well for 15min, then the opposition manager countered us and it was basically one way traffic from then on - Minimal adaption from us, lots of suicidal football with a much changed side, and basically no real threat 2nd half. It just isn't good enough and worrying he's showing no real signs of learning - just the same thing on repeat with different players.

What's even more concerning is how low on confidence the team appears to be atm. It shouldn't be this way after 25 games unbeaten. If we can't beat (or barely look up for beating) Liverpool's 18 and 16year old kids in a very winnable cup tie (lets be honest, thats probably the best chance our players would ever have had to win at Anfield) then I can't see us getting through the playoffs atm. Serious improvements needed.

"Embarrassing" is crazy harsh. As is saying we were good for only fifteen minutes.

The general consensus is we were the better team for at least an hour in all aspects bar finishing. After that they got better and we got worse.

I have to say as well I thought Aribo was brilliant, particularly first half. Strong, good passing and seems a yard quicker (not hard I know)

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1 hour ago, Zorba said:

Over half their team were playing for the U21s two weeks ago. Just goes to show the gulf between the two sides. I enjoyed the first 40 minutes. Charles, Mara and then Smallbone were all crap though. Back to trying to find some form in the league. Hope KWP isn’t too bad. 

Charles wasn’t bad at all our best player I thought. 

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32 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

what an embarrassing performance - We were playing against children

The average age of each team was pretty similar... (That said, probably a wider age gap in the second half...?)

 

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10 minutes ago, Roger said:

Sorry mate, Martin got it wrong in last 3 losses but not tonight. We didn’t play our best team rightly and he actually did the right thing and played Charles as the 6.

We aren't getting automatics. So trying to win a winnable game was the correct thing re stopping the rot. If you read my post, i have said playing charles as a defensive mid is the correct thing, my issue is that the other 5 players are all being asked to do attacking roles. We need a conventional CM alongside the anchor man, and then a more attacking CM. The last game we did that we won (smallbone, charles, stu vs west brom - clean sheet). The other issue is that he's just making too many changes per match, which hes committed to now. Would have been better to have started making 1-2changes and giving players a rest over a longer period without unsettling the side as much, as it is we're consistently making 3-5 changes every game, and its clearly disjointed our play. We are where we are now, but he needs to get this sorted by the playoffs, and right now i can't see us beating the likes of hull or ipswich via the playoffs.

1 Win and 5 losses in 6, with 13 goals conceded in 5 of those games. 3 against an u18s side (anyone comparing ages is ignoring minutes played and experience) and two vs a terrible millwall side at home on the weekend. We're in freefall currently.

 

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Good effort from the starting eleven. The midfield put Liverpool under pressure and created good chances. With better finishing, we could and perhaps should have gone 2 or 3 goals ahead. THEN the subsitutes came on and we collapsed. Smallbone was like an extra player for Liverpool so it started to look like 12 players against 10. Whenever he got the ball he  kicked it towards our goal and away from Liverpool's. He never even managed a single sideways pass, let alone a forward one. But, once again, credit to the starting eleven who ran their socks off and really worked for each other. Even Klopp mentioned afterwards how good Saints' midfield was in the first half.

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13 minutes ago, CWD said:

"Embarrassing" is crazy harsh. As is saying we were good for only fifteen minutes.

The general consensus is we were the better team for at least an hour in all aspects bar finishing. After that they got better and we got worse.

I have to say as well I thought Aribo was brilliant, particularly first half. Strong, good passing and seems a yard quicker (not hard I know)

being the "better" team in all aspects bar finishing means you lose.

Aribo was not brilliant, although far from the worst player on the pitch

As with all Martin teams, far too passive, walking football, trying to keep possession, but not good enough to do it, even against Scouser U21s 

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14 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

being the "better" team in all aspects bar finishing means you lose.

Aribo was not brilliant, although far from the worst player on the pitch

As with all Martin teams, far too passive, walking football, trying to keep possession, but not good enough to do it, even against Scouser U21s 

Our strikers, although they miss a hatful of chances, score goals in the Championship, but if we do manage to get promoted , we'll need to get a Premier League class striker or we'll be coming straight back down, bottom of the table. Ted Bates' purchase of Ron Davies was the main reason we managed to stay up the first time we got promoted. 

 

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29 minutes ago, SaintBobby said:

Disappointing, but a decent effort. My analysis that Smallbone is just not at it (5/10 on everything....sometimes a 6 at best) was proven!

Getting done 3-0 against a team with what, 2/3 you could name?  The rest from the youth set up is decent now is it? FFS must be the scar tissue.
 

We looked decent  for  for the first 20 but let’s not pretend it was any better than that.

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3 minutes ago, Ekelund said:

Getting done 3-0 against a team with what, 2/3 you could name?  The rest from the youth set up is decent now is it? FFS must be the scar tissue.
 

We looked decent  for  for the first 20 but let’s not pretend it was any better than that.

They are top of the PL FFS....we were always likely to lose....

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