macca155 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 8 hours ago, DT said: Also extremely exposed in the goalkeeping department with currently no-one Prem standard Looks like their view is that McCarthy is Prem standard. Oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 16 minutes ago, Chez said: They will know we want him, but they don't know exactly how much. No different to any other transfer really. If they demand too high a fee, we'll have to move on, which could leave them with a player they don't really want. I assume we have some other options. Yes but it doesn't take columbo to figure out that we want him quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 minutes ago, macca155 said: Looks like their view is that McCarthy is Prem standard. Oh dear Does it look like that? Weren't we linked with steele this week? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, hypochondriac said: Yes but it doesn't take columbo to figure out that we want him quite a lot. just one more thing...when any team makes a multimillion pound bid for a player, that's usually the giveaway that you want the player quite a lot. How much do you think we will offer? What do you think our limit is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, Chez said: just one more thing...when any team makes a multimillion pound bid for a player, that's usually the giveaway that you want the player quite a lot. How much do you think we will offer? What do you think our limit is? I think you're missing my point. They know the fans are desperate for him, he was superb for us last year, we clearly have a strong preference to sign him this season. Yes there will be a limit and yes they can't just say we can have him for an insane amount but imo we will pay more for him than an alternative and they have more negotiating power in this scenario than if the situation had been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 49 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said: Once bitten, twice shy.....hope I've got this one right....although probably not! I know nothing of Sugawara other than statistically on paper but this seems to tick some boxes as a replacement for KWP. Good age, playing regularly in the Eredivisie, fairly tall, has a handful of goals and assists, Japanese International (and we have a pretty good success rate amongst the Japanese players we've had). The alternative appears to be Aarons who is decent going forward but shorter and defensively questionable. Unless the idea is to bring both in and ship out Bree. Oh, and if the Ox buys his contract out and is available on a free, I'd be happy with him. The questions are over his injury history not his talent and for a free transfer it's worth a punt. He's only 30 too which surprised me. Edited July 9 by SNSUN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Let's be honest we've probably already told him he can leave. We did last year when he refused to sign a new contract, kudos to him for not kicking up a fuss and leaving last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 41 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Does it look like that? Weren't we linked with steele this week? Tbf Steele is not Premier League standard either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 20 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I think you're missing my point. They know the fans are desperate for him, he was superb for us last year, we clearly have a strong preference to sign him this season. Yes there will be a limit and yes they can't just say we can have him for an insane amount but imo we will pay more for him than an alternative and they have more negotiating power in this scenario than if the situation had been different. I know the point you are making. You think West Ham have the upper hand more than normal. I don't agree. It's the same as most other transfers. The buying club wants the player. My point is that if the West Ham manager doesn't want the player, and there is every chance of that, they will be burning £50k a week on him. So they will actually be very happy that we want him - as there will be almost no other sides able to buy him and pay him. For me, it's a perfect match, just as long as he is not in the managers plans. Edited July 9 by Chez 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 7 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: We did last year when he refused to sign a new contract, kudos to him for not kicking up a fuss and leaving last year. So basically no one offered the money we wanted for him last summer? I wonder just how much we were asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, Farmer Saint said: Tbf Steele is not Premier League standard either... What equates to Premier League standard to you? Was pretty regular for Brighton last season and was pretty solid I'd say. We're not going to be able to find a better GK, at his price (£5m quoted), with PL experience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 6 minutes ago, Chez said: I know the point you are making. You think West Ham have the upper hand more than normal. I don't agree. It's the same as most other transfers. The buying club wants the player. My point is that if the West Ham manager doesn't want the player, and there is every chance of that, they will be burning £50k a week on him. So they will actually be very happy that we want him - as there will be almost no other sides able to buy him and pay him. For me, it's a perfect match, just as long as he is not in the managers plans. OK you don't agree. Will have to agree to disagree on this one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 6 minutes ago, Chez said: So basically no one offered the money we wanted for him last summer? I wonder just how much we were asking. He was happy staying too. But just didn’t want to extend his contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, Saint Garrett said: He was happy staying too. But just didn’t want to extend his contract. Surprised he was `happy' having his wages cut, assuming that happened. Maybe it didn't. You'd imagine if we were pricing him out of a move he'd of been a bit annoyed. Maybe we weren't, but because he was shite in our relegation season, perhaps there simply weren't too many interested parties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 30 minutes ago, Chez said: So basically no one offered the money we wanted for him last summer? I wonder just how much we were asking. £5.99 and a packet of lemon bon bons. Not unreasonable but hey ho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 44 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: What equates to Premier League standard to you? Was pretty regular for Brighton last season and was pretty solid I'd say. We're not going to be able to find a better GK, at his price (£5m quoted), with PL experience. Brighton fans think he's utter jank and can't wait to be rid. PL experience does not mean PL quality. PL quality means good enough to play in the Premier League. He fails (alongside Broja). Edited July 9 by Farmer Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Brighton fans think he's utter jank and can't wait to be rid. PL experience does not mean PL quality. PL quality means good enough to play in the Premier League. He fails (alongside Broja). Yep there is a defence between a premier league player and a player who has played in the premier league 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) Anyone who thinks Steele would be a good signing, read this: https://www.northstandchat.com/threads/if-rdz-plays-steele-tomorrow.406973/ Edited July 9 by Farmer Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: My point was we are desperate to sign Downes. West ham don't need to sell. Obviously we will move on if they ask for something ridiculous, but they hold the power with this. Why would they ask for something ridiculous knowing that nobody will pay it? If they don't want Downs surely it's in their own interest to move him on and get him off their wage bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, egg said: Agreed, but if he goes and we're then looking for his replacement, we're primed to have our pants pulled down. Far better to get out ducks in a row before he leaves imo. Makes perfect sense, but how often do we buy a replacement before letting a player leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, saintant said: Why would they ask for something ridiculous knowing that nobody will pay it? If they don't want Downs surely it's in their own interest to move him on and get him off their wage bill. I was saying they won't ask for anything ridiculous but they have no reason not to put a high valuation on him given that firstly we don't know if they want to keep him or not and secondly we are very keen to sign him and they know that. How is that difficult to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Makes perfect sense, but how often do we buy a replacement before letting a player leave? I'm not fussed about what we've done on the past. We're getting our act together in this window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 5 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said: That's excellent for the lads, you'd imagine both will get plenty of minutes. You would have thought that for Ballard last season, but it didn't work out that way. Very surprised if he is going back to Reading, and equally surprised Amo-Ameyaw would need to drop down to League One having featured for us in the Championship a few times last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, macca155 said: Looks like their view is that McCarthy is Prem standard. Oh dear I know most don't think Baz is PL standard either, but beginning to wonder whether Baz might be back significantly earlier than previously thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said: Anyone who thinks Steele would be a good signing, read this: https://www.northstandchat.com/threads/if-rdz-plays-steele-tomorrow.406973/ I don't really know much about him. I was just taking it as a decent sign that we were looking to sign another keeper. For me that's a recognition that McCarthy is not good enough to be first choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 19 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: I know most don't think Baz is PL standard either, but beginning to wonder whether Baz might be back significantly earlier than previously thought. What are you basing his earlier return on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Seems quite interesting that hull fans seemingly love Delap. I think 20 million, is too much but I hope he doesn't become a bit of a gem and we've missed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) I'm in the 'No' camp for Broja. Looked a good prospect for half a season on loan with us a few years ago then seemingly lost his way with us and was fairly ineffective for the second half of the season. Could have fallen out with Ralph, could have been something else but just didn't look interested. When he went back to Chelsea at the end of that season and featured in a few games in their pre-season, looking pretty decent with a better team around him, I thought that could have been his break through season until he suffered that nasty injury. Since then, he has done relatively nothing which could be to do with the injury having taken some of his pace/power away, which was his main strength. Didn't pull up any trees on loan at Fulham and didn't stand out in the Euro's (albeit against Italy, Spain and Croatia, that perhaps was a tough ask). I'd take him as a loan for the season with an option to buy, but not as our main target. I think we need someone who we can be more confident will do the business with him as a back up. If he still has it, he will prove it and force his way into the team and go from there. If he ends up being second half of original season long loan Broja then we don't have to buy him and we haven't wasted a load of money. For me, I think our target should be Ben Brereton Diaz. Looked handy in the Championship a couple of seasons ago scoring for fun, got a move to Villareal which perhaps didn't work out as expected but someone else took a punt on him last season on loan in the Prem for the second half of the season in Sheff Utd and he did a decent job for them, scoring a decent amount of goals in a team who went on to be relegated. He has proven he can do it in the Prem and wouldn't be the most expensive striker to obtain. He is ahead of Broja, Ings or re-signing Che for me. Edited July 9 by Crouchie's Lawyer 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I'd like Brereton-Diaz as he and Armstrong have played together for a couple of seasons. Those two, Stewart and evens Adams is not the worst 4 we could have, but like others I'd prefer to move on from Adams now. If looking at Championship, Smozdics must be worth a punt, but perhaps there's a more senior/experienced option out there. We have started this window well, I am confident it will continue that way. Downes, O'Riley, the Japanese RB, Fraser, plus another DCM and we are looking ok. Ideally a GK of note but I don't believe we will🤦♂️ which might be the only bad mark on this window!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve green Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 10 hours ago, Chez said: Where do all you body language specialists study and is the course a BA or BSc?ric Well after qualifying as a Psychiatric Nurse I did complete my masters to become an advanced practitioner about 10 years ago. On this occasion my opinion was based on Broja running like he had my dodgy hip and a hangover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 7 hours ago, hypochondriac said: I don't really know much about him. I was just taking it as a decent sign that we were looking to sign another keeper. For me that's a recognition that McCarthy is not good enough to be first choice. McCarthey is a better keeper though, that's the scary thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: McCarthey is a better keeper though, that's the scary thing... How often have you seen the other lad play to come to that conclusion? What parts of his game rank below McCarthy? Seems to me that you've based your view on a few comments on a BHA forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: McCarthey is a better keeper though, that's the scary thing... Plenty of posters on that link you posted deemed him to be a solid backup keeper, just not as good as their first choice. Like I said I've got no idea about him but the fact we are looking at a keeper is a positive for me. At the very least we will have some competition. Obviously I'd prefer some proven quality but we don't seem to be going down that route. Perhaps we don't have the available funds with everything else that needs strengthening or maybe Martin believes that passing ability is the most important attribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 18 minutes ago, egg said: How often have you seen the other lad play to come to that conclusion? What parts of his game rank below McCarthy? Seems to me that you've based your view on a few comments on a BHA forum. No, my farm is in East Sussex, have a Brighton supporting daughter so seen him a number of times and a number of Brighton supporting friends. Poor in the air, awful shot stopper, mistake prone. Good distribution though. Much easier to give you a summary from people who watch him week in week out though. Edited July 10 by Farmer Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: No, my farm is in East Sussex, have a Brighton supporting daughter so seen him a number of times and a number of Brighton supporting friends. Poor in the air, awful shot stopper, mistake prone. Good distribution though. Much easier to give you a summary from people who watch him week in week out though. "I don't mind Steele being on the teamsheet especially in a game where build-up and accurate passing from our keeper is going to be crucial." "I dont think there's currently much between the 2 keepers, they both have strong and weak areas" "Steele's ability to hold onto the ball until the very last second and make the pass, to beat the press, is exactly what RDZ wants him to do." That's just the first few pages but there's a few positive posts about him and it sounds like a lot of the critical posts are in comparison to their other keeper who they prefer, not necessarily saying Steele is awful just not as good as their other keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: No, my farm is in East Sussex, have a Brighton supporting daughter so seen him a number of times and a number of Brighton supporting friends. Poor in the air, awful shot stopper, mistake prone. Good distribution though. Much easier to give you a summary from people who watch him week in week out though. We've got one of those already 🤐 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I’ll get this cleared up. Steele swims at a local pool where my son is the lifeguard - I’ll get my son to ask if Steele thinks he’s Prem quality or not so we can get the verdict straight from the horse’s mouth. If the chat goes well, I’ll ask my son to get him to cover his particular strengths and weaknesses too. 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Realist Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I'm sure we have more than one opion in every targeted position. I just hope that if the deal for Downes doesn't happen, we could sign Ben Sheaf from Coventry. Always really impressed me and played really well against Manure in the FA cup semi final. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 I'm hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 BBC saying we backed out of our pursuit of Max Aarons because AFCB wanted £10m+ and we'd rather spend on Sagawara in that case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 5 minutes ago, CSA96 said: BBC saying we backed out of our pursuit of Max Aarons because AFCB wanted £10m+ and we'd rather spend on Sagawara in that case Good call. Positive that we've managed to attract him as it seems there was interest from Brighton. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) Ive seen plenty of Steele as live in Brighton and the only reason he got in the first team at Brighton was because he is good with his feet and De Zerbi values that very highly. Until then he was a clear no2 keeper. McCarthy as an actual goalkeeper is much better. Steele definitely not worth signing, but is pally with Lallana so if he has Russell's ear then perhaps we will go for him. As a no2 behind McCarthy on a loan he would be ok. Edited July 10 by Dusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 5 minutes ago, Dusic said: Steele definitely not worth signing, but is pally with Lallana so if he has Russell's ear then perhaps we will go for him. As a no2 behind McCarthy on a loan he would be ok. Bloody hell if Lallana has Russell's ear we'll be signing Jordan Henderson as well !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Voetbal International saying the fee is €7m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Voetbal International saying the fee is €7m So we can't sing signed him on a free and he eats sushi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 minute ago, JRM said: So we can't sing signed him on a free and he eats sushi Signed him from A-Z And he eats sushi (and he fucking hates Pompey, clap clap clap) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 5 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Signed him from A-Z And he eats sushi (and he fucking hates Pompey, clap clap clap) Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 5 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Signed him from A-Z And he eats sushi (and he fucking hates Pompey, clap clap clap) Not having that American pronunciation of the letter Z. Song not approved. 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 13 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Voetbal International saying the fee is €7m That's a real coup if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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