hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 6 minutes ago, egg said: I'd want KWP replacement in the bag before letting him go. Let's be honest we've probably already told him he can leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, hypochondriac said: Let's be honest we've probably already told him he can leave. Agreed, but if he goes and we're then looking for his replacement, we're primed to have our pants pulled down. Far better to get out ducks in a row before he leaves imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 minutes ago, egg said: Agreed, but if he goes and we're then looking for his replacement, we're primed to have our pants pulled down. Far better to get out ducks in a row before he leaves imo. Which looks like exactly what we've done if we are signing the jap. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Said the other day, Well I just posted his name with 👀 Emojis but can't find the message now. Saintsy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 On 06/07/2024 at 13:41, SaintsFan86 said: Sugawara. 👀 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 10 minutes ago, Chez said: If Che re-signs, are we realistically going to sign another striker? I hope so. I don’t like Armstrong as a 9, Mara needs a loan or to be sold, Stewart is an unknown quantity. I also like the option of two up up which has suited Che in the past. I guess a lot depends on who we can shift and how much budget we need for elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 5 minutes ago, UpweySaint said: I hope so. I don’t like Armstrong as a 9, Mara needs a loan or to be sold, Stewart is an unknown quantity. I also like the option of two up up which has suited Che in the past. I guess a lot depends on who we can shift and how much budget we need for elsewhere. I quite liked the Mara loan to Göztepe story. Logical. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Andrew Watson said: If we are looking at championship strikers why not Sammy Szmodics,he was the most naturally gifted finisher in the league last season. And Blackburn are desperate for money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 41 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: That's a fantastic signing if true. Looks to be the absolute best we could hope for to replace kwp. Agree, would potentially be an excellent replacement for KWP. The two seem quite similar in that they are probably happier going forward and are not the strongest in terms of ball winning. Hope we hold out for a decent wedge for KWP and don't allow ourselves to be bullied by those who want him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, SuperSAINT said: I quite liked the Mara loan to Göztepe story. Logical. Makes ALOT of sense, Re-sign Che and bring in a top Marquee striker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 minutes ago, UpweySaint said: I hope so. I don’t like Armstrong as a 9, Mara needs a loan or to be sold, Stewart is an unknown quantity. I also like the option of two up up which has suited Che in the past. I guess a lot depends on who we can shift and how much budget we need for elsewhere. Agreed. I'm discounting Mara. That currently leaves us with Stewart who has played about 40 minutes in 18 months and Armstrong who isn't really an out and out striker. If we re-sign Che and get another in that's 3 strikers with Armstrong as a fail safe. About the right amount you'd want really. If we can only spend big in one position it's got to be a CF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 34 minutes ago, egg said: Broja has scored 16 in 70 with us, vitesse and Fulham. Lots of sub appearances in there. 9 in 29 for Albania adults and u21. That's decent in a shit team. Delap 12 in 68 in the championship. Delap has only managed 5 u21 games, albeit scoring 2 goals but 1 was against Luxembourg. Putting stats aside, Delap barely looks like a championship player, whereas Broja looked like a PL player when with us. I wouldn't want Delap but I would want Broja. Broja has not looked like a Prem player since about 12 games into playing for us. He had a hot spell and that's it. He's pretty gash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, Farmer Saint said: Broja has not looked like a Prem player since about 12 games into playing for us. He had a hot spell and that's it. He's pretty gash. You don't stop being a PL standard player after 12 games. That's nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, egg said: You don't stop being a PL standard player after 12 games. That's nonsense. He had a hot spell, that's it. He's gash. Edited July 9 by Farmer Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, Farmer Saint said: He had a hot spell, that's it. He was also a pretty regular scorer for Albania, and did rack up the numbers in Vitesse before - he was rated very highly over there. What made him really good was his power and pace running with the ball, the biggest question mark I have now is that severe ACL injury he had. You never recover the same explosive pace as you had before an injury that severe, it just doesn't happen - so straight away, a really good portion of what made his game so effective has been nullified quite a bit. He's probably a decent-ish PL striker, will get you a few goals if played regular, but he's not what he was and never will be again. It's a shame as his potential was huge in my opinion, he had that unique combination of pace, height and power which made him pretty formidable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: He was also a pretty regular scorer for Albania, and did rack up the numbers in Vitesse before - he was rated very highly over there. What made him really good was his power and pace running with the ball, the biggest question mark I have now is that severe ACL injury he had. You never recover the same explosive pace as you had before an injury that severe, it just doesn't happen - so straight away, a really good portion of what made his game so effective has been nullified quite a bit. He's probably a decent-ish PL striker, will get you a few goals if played regular, but he's not what he was and never will be again. It's a shame as his potential was huge in my opinion, he had that unique combination of pace, height and power which made him pretty formidable. Playing well for Vitesse is the equivalent of doing well for a mid table Championship team and he scored what, 10 in 30 games? I will repeat it, he is gash. I wouldn't want him unless he was less than £5m. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 12 minutes ago, saintant said: Agree, would potentially be an excellent replacement for KWP. The two seem quite similar in that they are probably happier going forward and are not the strongest in terms of ball winning. Hope we hold out for a decent wedge for KWP and don't allow ourselves to be bullied by those who want him. Hammers have us over a barrel if they still want him because they know we are desperate for Downes. I'd probably take a swap if that was the only thing on offer given how vital he is to us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Hammers have us over a barrel if they still want him because they know we are desperate for Downes. I'd probably take a swap if that was the only thing on offer given how vital he is to us. Tbh with KWPs contract situation we'd do well to get £15 million for him. I'd certainly take a swap. Either way, if West Ham wanted £20m for Downes we should pay it. We know how good he is - that's worth a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Playing well for Vitesse is the equivalent of doing well for a mid table Championship team and he scored what, 10 in 30 games? I will repeat it, he is gash. I wouldn't want him unless he was less than £5m. He won’t sign for anyone for £5m will he! I was more concerned he wasn’t picked much for Albania and looked way out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, Andrew Watson said: If we are looking at championship strikers why not Sammy Szmodics,he was the most naturally gifted finisher in the league last season. No doubt we have looked at him. He could be a good buy or he could just be a very good Championship player, it’s hard to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: No doubt we have looked at him. He could be a good buy or he could just be a very good Championship player, it’s hard to say. If we play a 3-5-2 next season (pretty likely I'd imagine) then Armstrong and Szmodics would probably be too similar to play as a pair. I'd like to think we are looking for someone a bit more in the mould of Adams (stronger and better at holding the ball) just a better finisher. Not massively clued up on the foreign market but in terms of domestic players - the forwards at Luton wouldn't be bad shouts. Adebayo or Morris. Edited July 9 by Harry_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: No doubt we have looked at him. He could be a good buy or he could just be a very good Championship player, it’s hard to say. Also he's not exactly a youngster and hasn't pulled up trees. I suppose you could say a similar record to Lambert but those types of players don't come around often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve green Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 5 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said: He won’t sign for anyone for £5m will he! I was more concerned he wasn’t picked much for Albania and looked way out of it. He's not been the same since the knee injury. The occasions I saw him play for Chelsea/Fulham/Albania he just didn't look like he was interested at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Miovski, Shankland or Broja for me We must get at least one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: No doubt we have looked at him. He could be a good buy or he could just be a very good Championship player, it’s hard to say. Last year apart, his goalscoring record is pretty average, but he's listed as an attacking midfielder, which would explain that. Still, hard to evaluate if you only have one season's worth of tape. With AA, Stewart and maybe Che, we have plenty of `championship' level quality. Finding that little extra is the key, otherwise we are going to be too `average' and not be able to hurt teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Hammers have us over a barrel if they still want him because they know we are desperate for Downes. I'd probably take a swap if that was the only thing on offer given how vital he is to us. Equally, they don't have anyone else to sell him to other than us (plus he may want that move and no other), so it evens out. There are other fish in the sea. Sara at Norwich is a very good option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Just now, Chez said: Equally, they don't have anyone else to sell him to other than us (plus he may want that move and no other), so it evens out. There are other fish in the sea. Sara at Norwich is a very good option. Not really. He'd be a good option for them I'm sure. Apparently Ipswich interested also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 minutes ago, steve green said: The occasions I saw him play for Chelsea/Fulham/Albania he just didn't look like he was interested at times. Where do all you body language specialists study and is the course a BA or BSc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Not really. He'd be a good option for them I'm sure. Apparently Ipswich interested also. Lost ya. Good option for who, West Ham? If so, sure. I dont see Ipswich signing him. He stays at West Ham or he comes to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 9 minutes ago, Chez said: Where do all you body language specialists study and is the course a BA or BSc? Did you need a BA or BSC to judge Leminas performance against Chelsea in semi-final? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted July 9 Author Share Posted July 9 Su-ga Wa-ra Do do do do do, Su-ga Wa-ra Do do do do, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 minutes ago, Master Bates said: Su-ga Wa-ra Do do do do do, Su-ga Wa-ra Do do do do, Looks a decent signing from AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 13 minutes ago, Chez said: Lost ya. Good option for who, West Ham? If so, sure. I dont see Ipswich signing him. He stays at West Ham or he comes to us. My point was we are desperate to sign Downes. West ham don't need to sell. Obviously we will move on if they ask for something ridiculous, but they hold the power with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Sugar do do do do do do Oh sugawara do do do do do do You are my nippon boy And you've got me watching you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 21 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Miovski, Shankland or Broja for me We must get at least one Interested why you think the Scottish lads are any good? Do you watch much Scottish football? Shankland has spent his career playing in a tinpot league, not even for Rangers or Celtic. Surely if he was any good either one of those two would have picked him up? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 6 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said: Did you need a BA or BSC to judge Leminas performance against Chelsea in semi-final? No. Anyone can be a football critic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: My point was we are desperate to sign Downes. West ham don't need to sell. Obviously we will move on if they ask for something ridiculous, but they hold the power with this. If they don't want him, then they need us. Who knows if they want him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 minutes ago, Chez said: If they don't want him, then they need us. Who knows if they want him though. That's the point though. We don't know. They know how much we want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 We’ll have a whole range of potential targets in every position, precisely so that we don’t get ‘bent over a barrel’. We’ll probably be willing to pay a little bit extra for FD because he’s a known quantity but we won’t be throwing silly money at him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 🚨Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is talks to terminate his contract at Beşiktaş. Fresh reports from Turkey are claiming that Southampton will look to make an offer for the 30 year-old, if he does leave the Black Eagles #saintsfc [Takvim] Hmm not sure this is believable- rather spend wages money on a forward like Brereton-Diaz and a first choice keeper! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Also plenty of rumours that West Ham have made Wan-Bissaka their first choice RB target and are about to make a bid. Would surely mean they don’t need KWP as well if so: https://www.claretandhugh.info/bid-within-days-west-ham-make-right-back-decision/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I think Bereton-Diaz on loan with an option to buy would be good. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, Midfield_General said: Also plenty of rumours that West Ham have made Wan-Bissaka their first choice RB target and are about to make a bid. Would surely mean they don’t need KWP as well if so: https://www.claretandhugh.info/bid-within-days-west-ham-make-right-back-decision/ I really hope so. Hopefully they clear off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, S-Clarke said: He was also a pretty regular scorer for Albania, and did rack up the numbers in Vitesse before - he was rated very highly over there. What made him really good was his power and pace running with the ball, the biggest question mark I have now is that severe ACL injury he had. You never recover the same explosive pace as you had before an injury that severe, it just doesn't happen - so straight away, a really good portion of what made his game so effective has been nullified quite a bit. He's probably a decent-ish PL striker, will get you a few goals if played regular, but he's not what he was and never will be again. It's a shame as his potential was huge in my opinion, he had that unique combination of pace, height and power which made him pretty formidable. Broja was scoring in almost every game for Albania just before he joined us. He’s not gash he just a lad that’s needs some guidance and a kick up the arse sometimes. He enjoyed playing for us but badly influenced by friends and family . I havnt a clue whether he would be good for us now I’m really not keen on the idea of bringing back players. Anyway as I keep on saying I’m damned sure we will have transfer targets lined up. KWP leaving has been obvious for ages which will have generated replacements already . Totally confident but no excuses for Sports Republic this season we have had plenty of time to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: That's the point though. We don't know. They know how much we want him. They will know we want him, but they don't know exactly how much. No different to any other transfer really. If they demand too high a fee, we'll have to move on, which could leave them with a player they don't really want. I assume we have some other options. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 14 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: We’ll have a whole range of potential targets in every position, precisely so that we don’t get ‘bent over a barrel’. We’ll probably be willing to pay a little bit extra for FD because he’s a known quantity but we won’t be throwing silly money at him. This definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Once bitten, twice shy.....hope I've got this one right....although probably not! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 56 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Miovski, Shankland or Broja for me We must get at least one Shankland is worse than che 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 10 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: Also plenty of rumours that West Ham have made Wan-Bissaka their first choice RB target and are about to make a bid. Would surely mean they don’t need KWP as well if so: https://www.claretandhugh.info/bid-within-days-west-ham-make-right-back-decision/ Maybe they are just keeping their options open, which ensures we don't ask too big a fee. Villa might be an option for KWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 33 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Interested why you think the Scottish lads are any good? Do you watch much Scottish football? Shankland has spent his career playing in a tinpot league, not even for Rangers or Celtic. Surely if he was any good either one of those two would have picked him up? I’ve watched a lot of Scottish football Miovski is quality . We would be good for him as well the discipline of playing in our system would really help him and Matt O' Riley from Celtic is a really good player. He’s called the new Stuart Armstrong up there all Stueys qualities but of course younger and fitter. Very motivated Player and has worked with Russel Martin. Of course a long way to go but I see no reason why we can’t assemble a really good team for next season we’ve actually got a good solid base already 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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