revolution saint Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Just now, Crouchie's Lawyer said: Not that promising? The author of that article only just stops shy of saying "he's shite, my Nan could do better". Bit of an odd one this one. I'd rather have left the pathway open to Meghoma being backup Ha ha, yeah, I was being polite. Don't really want to slag the bloke off without having seen him but even when you go onto YouTube it's hard to see anything particularly good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 2 minutes ago, revolution saint said: Ha ha, yeah, I was being polite. Don't really want to slag the bloke off without having seen him but even when you go onto YouTube it's hard to see anything particularly good. Hmm. Doesn't sound great. Hopefully just one for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Could be one we send out to Goztepe/Valenciennes. We have loads of left-backs with the signing of Taylor and can't see us discarding Manning even if it is the right thing to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 minute ago, revolution saint said: Ha ha, yeah, I was being polite. Don't really want to slag the bloke off without having seen him but even when you go onto YouTube it's hard to see anything particularly good. I guess he isn't costing much (or anything) so it's low risk. Our scouts must have seen something and he is young. Could end up being one of those diamonds in the rough. It's been a hot minute since we have signed a player out of nowhere who nobody really knows much about who does quite well. The Pahars, Berkovic, Lundekvam or Ostenstadt type signings who end up being great for us but came out of relatively nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Hmm. Doesn't sound great. Hopefully just one for the future. 2 minutes ago, Crouchie's Lawyer said: I guess he isn't costing much (or anything) so it's low risk. Our scouts must have seen something and he is young. Could end up being one of those diamonds in the rough. It's been a hot minute since we have signed a player out of nowhere who nobody really knows much about who does quite well. The Pahars, Berkovic, Lundekvam or Ostenstadt type signings who end up being great for us but came out of relatively nowhere To be fair Torino were supposed to be interested, he's only 23 and he's played 113 times for a decent team in Brazil. You'd like to think that there's something about him that would justify getting him in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 5 minutes ago, revolution saint said: To be fair Torino were supposed to be interested, he's only 23 and he's played 113 times for a decent team in Brazil. You'd like to think that there's something about him that would justify getting him in. Supposedly Brentford were interested last year and he was valued around 14 million. Not sure how true that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Translation: The @SouthamptonFC has already had the medical examinations carried out by #Welington of the @SaoPauloFC. But the @TorinoFC_1906 still hopes to prevail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjurwi Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Gone quiet about Ghoddos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 6 hours ago, revolution saint said: This was posted earlier in the thread: https://targetscouting.com/2024/05/01/welington-sao-paulo-scout-report/ It's not that promising. That's being kind! Essentially it says he's an average defender who gets done easily,has crap close control, can't shoot, crosses without looking, plays only safe passes, they he can do a job in Brazil but that's his ceiling, and he won't make it over here. Very odd move. Some quotes: "Welington has specific skills that make him an okay left-back in the Brazilian league, but this is also his ceiling. He is too poor defensively to make an impact in a significant European league" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butthole_Surfer Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Hopefully Ghoddos will be announced today. Downes will be crucial coming in next. Some more midfield muscle like Sander Berge would be awesome as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 14 minutes ago, Butthole_Surfer said: Hopefully Ghoddos will be announced today. Downes will be crucial coming in next. Some more midfield muscle like Sander Berge would be awesome as well. Ghoddos was on international duty with Iran with him playing on 11th June. I would hope he could be in the building on Monday having had an decent length holiday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, egg said: That's being kind! Essentially it says he's an average defender who gets done easily,has crap close control, can't shoot, crosses without looking, plays only safe passes, they he can do a job in Brazil but that's his ceiling, and he won't make it over here. Very odd move. Some quotes: "Welington has specific skills that make him an okay left-back in the Brazilian league, but this is also his ceiling. He is too poor defensively to make an impact in a significant European league" This is the only bit we were interested in from that report. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 12 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: This is the only bit we were interested in from that report. Are we sure he is Brazilian? He doesn't seem to possess any of the skills that you normally associate with a Brazilian. Mind you neither did Lyanco 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Was there any actual credible link to Ghoddos at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 15 hours ago, egg said: Manning for sure id guess. I'd imagine Larios, although I think Meghoma only has a year in his deal so it could be him going, or perhaps even both of the youngsters not so sure about that. Very few teenagers make the first team on a regular basis but I can see " the Larios and Meghoma-type " youngsters getting good loan-outs but it's a big step to the Prem. for anyone at that age, but they all need a taste of "men's football" at some level to access their ability. Lewis Payne had a season with Newport County last season , and hopefully will improve. He might return to the fold in a year or two -much improved. The " final 25 Prem." doesn't include anyone who is "underage " and so the Edozie's and Mara's may still be on the bench, but as additions to " the 25 ". It seems that we are in for a massive overhaul of the squad having started with the back line. So far Lallana is the only midfield " name " and still no sign of any new strikers yet. Having gone the season without Ross Stewart, and having lost Ché Adams, we need a couple of new names PDQ. Edited July 6 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 38 minutes ago, lambtiss said: Are we sure he is Brazilian? He doesn't seem to possess any of the skills that you normally associate with a Brazilian. Mind you neither did Lyanco 😂 I’m not sure that’s entirely true. 😃. Lyanco was and is acutely aware of his Brazilian heritage. Indeed it was probably the main reason he ultimately could not play in a RM team. The times I watched him play - including his last match away to Gills, it was clear he was not following the instructions he was given as diligently as others regarding position or when to pass or how and instead wished to rely on his Brazilian passion and the occasional Hollywood pass or trick to plat his football. Being Brazilian this is natural but his relative ill discipline plus the disadvantage of not being Neymar and playing at CB meant it was not going to end well.. NB. But he gets full marks for passion/charisma but that alone is not enough to win football matches unfortunately. Who doesn’t like watching saints players with that fire in the belly. We’ve had a few - Ruddock and Williams, Case and Dennis spring to mind.. Edited July 6 by gio1saints 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 29 minutes ago, gio1saints said: I’m not sure that’s entirely true. 😃. Lyanco was and is acutely aware of his Brazilian heritage. Indeed it was probably the main reason he ultimately could not play in a RM team. The times I watched him play - including his last match away to Gills, it was clear he was not following the instructions he was given as diligently as others regarding position or when to pass or how and instead wished to rely on his Brazilian passion and the occasional Hollywood pass or trick to plat his football. Being Brazilian this is natural but his relative ill discipline plus the disadvantage of not being Neymar and playing at CB meant it was not going to end well.. NB. But he gets full marks for passion/charisma but that alone is not enough to win football matches unfortunately. Who doesn’t like watching saints players with that fire in the belly. We’ve had a few - Ruddock and Williams, Case and Dennis spring to mind.. But those guys could actually play as well. Tends to help massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 43 minutes ago, david in sweden said: not so sure about that. Very few teenagers make the first team on a regular basis but I can see " the Larios and Meghoma-type " youngsters getting good loan-outs but it's a big step to the Prem. for anyone at that age, but they all need a taste of "men's football" at some level to access their ability. Lewis Payne had a season with Newport County last season , and hopefully will improve. He might return to the fold in a year or two -much improved. The " final 25 Prem." doesn't include anyone who is "underage " and so the Edozie's and Mara's may still be on the bench, but as additions to " the 25 ". It seems that we are in for a massive overhaul of the squad having started with the back line. So far Lallana is the only midfield " name " and still no sign of any new strikers yet. Having gone the season without Ross Stewart, and having lost Ché Adams, we need a couple of new names PDQ. We don't need 2 LB youngsters who may or may not make it imo. Larios is tiny and I don't see him making it in the PL personally, but Meghoma appears to have it. Is Meghoma likely to extend his deal if he's behind Larios plus the first teamers? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Sounds from that article that he's best as a left sided wing back. Maybe shows that we are looking to go 3 at the back more often. If Taylor then plays LCB it could leave him as the one who steps out into midfield to change the shape when we attack. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 10 hours ago, HarvSFC said: Could be one we send out to Goztepe/Valenciennes. We have loads of left-backs with the signing of Taylor and can't see us discarding Manning even if it is the right thing to do. I did wonder this, but can anyone explain how that works in terms of the FFP , if -as I understand it - the cost of the signing (if a fee is involved) is recorded against Saints ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) Not sure why we persist with trying the South American market as we have had no success with any of them. Going all the way back to Delgado we have just wasted money and they have all been disasters for us. Also we haven’t signed Wood and Edwards to then play Taylor as a Centre back. Edited July 6 by northam soul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcpete Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I have a few contacts who follow football religiously in Brazil through family. I asked about Wellington, the reply was a long string of laughing emojis and a comment that at least he's slightly better than Lyanco...bodes well 🤣 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Assuming we sign Fraser later in the window (assume Newcastle won't sell til after we have played them) then do we actually need Ghoddos? At some stage we will really need to sign some genuine quality in attacking areas...not sure he is that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 33 minutes ago, northam soul said: Not sure why we persist with trying the South American market as we have had no success with any of them. Going all the way back to Delgado we have just wasted money and they have all been disasters for us. Also we haven’t signed Wood and Edwards to then play Taylor as a Centre back. Delgado has zero relevance to our current recruitment. South America seems one of the few markets where there is actually value to be had for clubs without endless budgets. Quite happy for Saints to be looking there and in Asia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 17 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said: Alfie seems to think DCC is heading to Lyon for £5Million. So that's 12M for Lyanco, DCC and Perraud. Whilst we've spent £6M for Edwards, Wood, Taylor and Lallana. Excellent business so far. It seems we are prepared for PL return by selling PL players and buying championship players. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, HKsaint said: It seems we are prepared for PL return by selling PL players and buying championship players. Yes, we’re all gutted our proven premier league players Caleta-Car, Perraud and Lyanco have been sold. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 23 hours ago, Turkish said: Exactly. Never take criticism off someone who can’t do what you can. Maybe I’ll listen when they’ve got 30 laughing reactions on a single post 25 & 27 > Close but no cigar 😜 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 22 minutes ago, HKsaint said: It seems we are prepared for PL return by selling PL players and buying championship players. Is that a serious post? How is signing Charlie Taylor a championship player? You wouldn’t have signed Harwood-Bellis? Did you ever watch Lyanco? DCC put in an absolute horrendous performance against Grimsby !! Edited July 6 by Give it to Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 14 hours ago, Crouchie's Lawyer said: Not that promising? The author of that article only just stops shy of saying "he's shite, my Nan could do better". Bit of an odd one this one. I'd rather have left the pathway open to Meghoma being backup Maybe we're signing him for Goztepe? Like we did Lis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 hours ago, Badger said: I did wonder this, but can anyone explain how that works in terms of the FFP , if -as I understand it - the cost of the signing (if a fee is involved) is recorded against Saints ? They give us a £50m loan fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Sugawara. 👀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, Patches O Houlihan said: Maybe we're signing him for Goztepe? Like we did Lis I hope so, The player isn't of the required level. Meghoma is a better LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 5 minutes ago, Patches O Houlihan said: Maybe we're signing him for Goztepe? Like we did Lis Would be a more logicial. I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Sugawara. 👀 Chicken or lamb? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Toussaint said: Chicken or lamb? Dog. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 30 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Sugawara. 👀 Where has this come from? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 10 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said: Where has this come from? Been linked for a few weeks now hasn't he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Been linked for a few weeks now hasn't he? Yes, the post seemed to suggest a new development 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Mulgrew Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Linked also with Everton, Liverpool, Brighton, Inter and Wolfsburg. Can’t imagine we would be his first choice unless KWP definitely leaves and he could come here as our first choice right back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 hours ago, egg said: We don't need 2 LB youngsters who may or may not make it imo. Larios is tiny and I don't see him making it in the PL personally, but Meghoma appears to have it. Is Meghoma likely to extend his deal if he's behind Larios plus the first teamers? Full backs aren't required to be so tall, but youngsters do grow. Gareth Bale was (reportedly) still only 5'4" when he was 15 - but he beefed up in his late teens. I agree that Meghoma looks a good prospect, but likewise he's not PL material at present, but in time he may be needed, as long term injuries can put any player out for a season (as Larios knows himself). They don't count in " the 25 squad " if they are under a certain age and we need all the bodies we can get on the books to help combat injuries / form loss in the regulars. For younger players - chances come when they do - and they can make their name quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 hours ago, northam soul said: Not sure why we persist with trying the South American market as we have had no success with any of them. Going all the way back to Delgado we have just wasted money and they have all been disasters for us. Also we haven’t signed Wood and Edwards to then play Taylor as a Centre back. You seem to have ruled out Bednarek leaving. If he goes, then we're a CB short if we play 3 and want cover/options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Sports mole linking Che to Forest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 25 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Been linked for a few weeks now hasn't he? I think the point being made is that we were linked, but nothings materialised yet. Same could be said for 3-4 other strong rumours at least but nothing happened. My guess is that we’ve got the easy ones over the line and now they’re working on the ones that will take more detailed negotiations. Just hope they don’t leave it too long to identify and capture a high level striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 10 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: I think the point being made is that we were linked, but nothings materialised yet. Same could be said for 3-4 other strong rumours at least but nothing happened. My guess is that we’ve got the easy ones over the line and now they’re working on the ones that will take more detailed negotiations. Just hope they don’t leave it too long to identify and capture a high level striker. Sugawara had quite a few interested clubs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Sugawara had quite a few interested clubs too. Yeah and I’m skeptical that our interest being much more than a cursory glance - we must be looking at lots of options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 7 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Yeah and I’m skeptical that our interest being much more than a cursory glance - we must be looking at lots of options. He's top of our list with Max Aarons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 37 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Sports mole linking Che to Forest No the quote was "Adams is a striker who can't see the goal for the trees". Not the same as a transfer to Nottingham 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, Toadhall Saint said: Sports mole linking Che to Forest He's been caught dogging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themotherfunky Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: He's been caught dogging? He'd be one of the dirty buggers watching, seeing as he rarely scores. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: He's been caught dogging? If he's been caught then im in trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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