DT Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 We need a decent spine and that starts with a serious investment in a good goalkeeper, and then Downes. Then wheeler deal for the other spots, but you'd have thought a striker was also key with any buttons we have behind the sofa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, DT said: We need a decent spine and that starts with a serious investment in a good goalkeeper, and then Downes. Then wheeler deal for the other spots, but you'd have thought a striker was also key with any buttons we have behind the sofa Wouldn’t disagree but buttons will not buy a prem level striker. ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 16 minutes ago, Nolan said: Saints sign Rento Takaoka on pre-contract | Southampton FC Official Site Meet the Japanese Striker Taking the World Cup by Storm – Football Tribe Asia (football-tribe.com) Great, we're going to make billions from shirt sales in Asia now, just like when we snapped up Tanadari Lee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 6 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Well we are fucked. Relegation looms. Likely perhaps, but not inevitable. There are some key issues that I think will influence our season… 1. RM’s ability to adapt his system to the Prem in a squad that’s not significantly strengthened. It will be less ‘physical’ but faster, meaning counter attacks in particular by even the weakest teams will punish an open midfield and weak defence. Passing accuracy in the final third needs to be much better than we saw in the Championship. 2. Whether there are players in the squad that still have room for growth/improvement meaning that collectively some of the weaknesses from last season are corrected AND/OR somehow the club are able finance 1 or 2 Prem quality players in their prime. For example, replacing Che with a really good striker and improving quality of RB position is crucial. 3. Bringing in Downes. This player is fundamental to the RM system - fundamental to the 1st teams ability to perform at its highest possible level. He is the main cog in the system that makes it work. There will be no time to find a replacement to hit the ground running before the season starts unless huge money is spent (not happening). West Ham have us over a barrel which means the deal will be very difficult - but it’s arguably the most important signing since Lambert’s in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssEffCee Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said: Because we had an approx £100m drop in revenue in the Championship last season. In 2021/2022 we made a £43m loss without the sale of players. So... 2022/2023: £120m loss 2023/2024: £85m profit 2024/2025: £70m loss (including £25m in transfers) Means a loss of £105m over 3 years. Next season we will be able to make a £120m loss, so £75m in transfers. Please also remember that player sales are included against that year's P&L, whereas transfers are amortised over the length of the contract, so every year we are still paying for legacy players. Isn't our limit less than £105m? That's based on 3 years at £35m a season but we'll be allowed less for the championship season so the threshold will be considerably lower than that figure. This is what happened with Forest I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 28 minutes ago, EssEffCee said: Isn't our limit less than £105m? That's based on 3 years at £35m a season but we'll be allowed less for the championship season so the threshold will be considerably lower than that figure. This is what happened with Forest I believe. 81 million. 2 seasons at 35 and 1 at 13. The forest article I saw had them at 61 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 11 hours ago, Turkish said: So Jacob Tanswell has confirmed we’re looking to strengthen the goalkeeping positions, centre back, left back, centre midfield, right wing and striker. So pretty much the whole team them That’s what I mean. Working for the Athletic isn’t about getting accurate stories. They have a quota to churn out on a weekly basis. That’s why many of the stories will have little to no sources and are largely a rehash of what was already reported by more accurate press earlier on. Wait and see. When it comes to transfers this summer they won’t do an article on let’s say the three out of contract players (Adams, Armstrong and McCarthy). They'll churn out three separate stories to fulfill a quota. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: That’s what I mean. Working for the Athletic isn’t about getting accurate stories. They have a quota to churn out on a weekly basis. That’s why many of the stories will have little to no sources and are largely a rehash of what was already reported by more accurate press earlier on. Wait and see. When it comes to transfers this summer they won’t do an article on let’s say the three out of contract players (Adams, Armstrong and McCarthy). They'll churn out three separate stories to fulfill a quota. The "article" was basically an opinion piece on where we need to strengthen, nothing more than that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Turkish said: The "article" was basically an opinion piece on where we need to strengthen, nothing more than that. Something which every Saints fan already knows. It’s not real journalism. It’s the equivalent of the “footballrumours” website. I remember about fifteen years ago in college me and a load of mates typed random rumours in to see which of them stuck - safe to say a few got through to national media and more often than not they would all end up on the old 606 forum through someone claiming to be “ITK”. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Just now, FarehamSaintJames said: Something which every Saints fan already knows. It’s not real journalism. It’s the equivalent of the “footballrumours” website. I remember about fifteen years ago in college me and a load of mates typed random rumours in to see which of them stuck - safe to say a few got through to national media and more often than not they would all end up on the old 606 forum through someone claiming to be “ITK”. 😂 I did that too, lol. Started a rumour that Saints were trying to size Gaizika Mendieta from Lazio around 2003. It was denied in the echo. The Guly 15 minute contract clause was also a good one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 58 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said: Obviously we don't know what goes on behind the scenes or what was written in his contract but I would have given a right go in the Championship. If he could have scored a few goals that would have given him the momentum in the premier league this season. I also rated Sulemana. He was good fun to watch. Martin needed a striker willing to drop back, create, hold up and then also get onto the end of passes. Paul didn't suit that system. Sule has pace to burn. But it's wasted in a system that allowed defences to drop back, while we created passing angles. Alcaraz is another one whose natural game suffered. No reason why any of them can't develop. With Alcaraz, I think there was a bit of frustration on both sides. Perraud is possibly another one. It's a lot of money to invest and not use. Just shows the massive financial impact on not having a consistent system/manager in place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamsaint1 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 You might assume that Che's people will want a deal tied up pretty soon, as he is ( I assume) without an employer from 01/07 ? If he does leave, I guess it is not impossible that we go with Tall Paul, Stewart and AA as our main striker options. Any discussion about Brooks coming back either on loan or permanent ? I would think he'd be a more than useful squad member at worst, and might not be too expensive .And I guess we are stuck with Sulemana due to the large outstanding transfer payments and presumably heavy wage costs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, Turkish said: I did that too, lol. Started a rumour that Saints were trying to size Gaizika Mendieta from Lazio around 2003. It was denied in the echo. The Guly 15 minute contract clause was also a good one. I remember that Mendieta link. 🙂 It was only a season or two after we were in talks with Bierhoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, VectisSaint said: Not a loan, willing to pay up to 6m, Ings assessing all his options (Daily Fail). Options?! Can't imagine clubs beating down his agent's door for talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 A mate of mine did one for Chelsea that they were linked with some South American teenager - he used the player he’d seen on his save of FM11. For context, the player didn’t exist and was some regen with a random name. 😂 I think I remember doing one for Matt Phillips and the time, and Dale Jennings both when they were young and promising. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Options?! Can't imagine clubs beating down his agent's door for talks. I thought Ings would see out his £120k deal, and then look to get a last pay day somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, DT said: We need a decent spine and that starts with a serious investment in a good goalkeeper, and then Downes. Then wheeler deal for the other spots, but you'd have thought a striker was also key with any buttons we have behind the sofa Why do you and other posters think Downes is going to me very good in the PL if West Ham do not. I know he was very integral to the promotion but so were Che and AA and they are not really top class PL players 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, John B said: Why do you and other posters think Downes is going to me very good in the PL if West Ham do not. I know he was very integral to the promotion but so were Che and AA and they are not really top class PL players I refer you to my post above! ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 10 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I thought Ings would see out his £120k deal, and then look to get a last pay day somewhere else. Possibly. If he regards money over actual playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, Nolan said: Saints sign Rento Takaoka on pre-contract | Southampton FC Official Site Meet the Japanese Striker Taking the World Cup by Storm – Football Tribe Asia (football-tribe.com) Insane signing. Will we be plundering his current club, Nissho Gakuen High School, for more talent? They certainly sound young. But are they hungry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Personally I would’ve withdrawn the contract offer for Adams as soon as we got promoted. He deliberately dithered all season waiting to see what league we’re in, why can’t the club do that. I’d personally lower the terms, he wasn’t great last time around, why should we offer him the same terms now? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 5 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Personally I would’ve withdrawn the contract offer for Adams as soon as we got promoted. He deliberately dithered all season waiting to see what league we’re in, why can’t the club do that. I’d personally lower the terms, he wasn’t great last time around, why should we offer him the same terms now? Quick search online suggests Che is in £32k pw and was on £52 pw last time we were in the Prem. Do you know what the contract offer was? It would obviously be an extension (at the time) of at least one but more likely two years plus option and probably, dependent on promotion, with an escalator in the event of promotion to at least the previous EPL salary. And in addition a “ loyalty “ bonus, again potentially being bigger conditional upon promotion to EPL. My guess is he’s holding out for £100k and a big sign on fee at least £1m prob more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I’ll come clean. Bruno Metsu in The Echo was my fault. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 12 minutes ago, gio1saints said: Quick search online suggests Che is in £32k pw and was on £52 pw last time we were in the Prem. Do you know what the contract offer was? It would obviously be an extension (at the time) of at least one but more likely two years plus option and probably, dependent on promotion, with an escalator in the event of promotion to at least the previous EPL salary. And in addition a “ loyalty “ bonus, again potentially being bigger conditional upon promotion to EPL. My guess is he’s holding out for £100k and a big sign on fee at least £1m prob more. Martin already indicated that Che is likely to get more attractive offers financially. Any half decent PL offer is likely to beat ours. SR will have weighed up keeping the individual wages down, against losing a known quantity and possibly having to recruit a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I’m going to see if that football rumours site still exists and post a few on there later - I then give it no more than 48hrs before SaintRob or SaintsAlex on Twitter claim they’re ITK and it’s happening. That would be more fun - everyone stick a rumour online and see who’s comes up first. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Give Me Sport reporter Ben Jacobs claims that Adams has been offered a £134,000-a-week contract to go to the Middle East. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, Danbert said: Give Me Sport reporter Ben Jacobs claims that Adams has been offered a £134,000-a-week contract to go to the Middle East. He's fighting Tyson Fury in Qatar. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 48 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Possibly. If he regards money over actual playing time. Ings considering his options, again, so in all honesty he shouldn't be one of ours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 16 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: I’m going to see if that football rumours site still exists and post a few on there later - I then give it no more than 48hrs before SaintRob or SaintsAlex on Twitter claim they’re ITK and it’s happening. That would be more fun - everyone stick a rumour online and see who’s comes up first. 😂 Nice. I'm going for a sensational return for Nathan Redmond. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Options?! Can't imagine clubs beating down his agent's door for talks. Shoe in for Saudi? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le_tiss Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 13 hours ago, Chez said: With the £20m outlay for THB, the money needing to be spent starts to add up quickly. Boy could we do with finding another Livramento or three. Didn't some people on here have a problem with buying youngsters from big sides though Agree with your point 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 3 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said: Well we are fucked. Relegation looms. In my world not so bad... Last season promotion .£140million Next season relegation £60m? parachute payment Season 3 promotion lots more £m and fun And so on....😂😂😂 Edited June 19 by Oldandtired 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Nolan said: Saints sign Rento Takaoka on pre-contract | Southampton FC Official Site Meet the Japanese Striker Taking the World Cup by Storm – Football Tribe Asia (football-tribe.com) Time to bring Yoshida back in as a player/coach to help him settle in. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 21 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Time to bring Yoshida back in as a player/coach to help him settle in. Would not be opposed. 👀 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said: Well we are fucked. Relegation looms. You mean we get to go through the fun and joy of last season all over again? Could be worse.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 It’s pretty certain that the team that won 1-0 at Wembley would struggle to stay up in the PL and that’s before the loanees and out of contract players walk out the door perhaps permanently. That means a massive rebuild and significant expenditure. Just hope whoever is in charge of recruitment and negotiations has had his/her summer break already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Relax everyone. I've been keeping track of the " rumours " about players who Saints are (reputedly) after since the end of May, after today ... the list is upto 23 players., and if even half of them are free transfers ...we'll have a h*ll of a squad. .. .ha ha ha ha ha Now we just wait for July 1st. to see who signs first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 22 hours ago, ally_uk said: Innnnnnngs can only get better! 🤣 Innnnnnngs ain't what they used to be! ☹️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, Baird of the land said: Time to bring Yoshida back in as a player/coach to help him settle in. Had great respect for him--and what a career since we let him go. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, Danbert said: Give Me Sport reporter Ben Jacobs claims that Adams has been offered a £134,000-a-week contract to go to the Middle East. It's true, I made him the offer! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 4 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Not sure where it fits in exactly, but I was told there was a debt left behind by Goa but it was the interest on that debt that was increasingly crippling the clubs finances. Promotion to the Prem was absolutely essential to maintain any sort of decent squad and infrastructure. The COVID loan is still outstanding and has accrued interest. We also owed money on various transfers. Not sure the loan is crippling the club's finances, but obviously it needs to be paid down and that takes funds away from our transfer/overall budget. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 6 hours ago, Farmer Saint said: Because we had an approx £100m drop in revenue in the Championship last season. In 2021/2022 we made a £43m loss without the sale of players. So... 2022/2023: £120m loss 2023/2024: £85m profit 2024/2025: £70m loss (including £25m in transfers) Means a loss of £105m over 3 years. Next season we will be able to make a £120m loss, so £75m in transfers. Please also remember that player sales are included against that year's P&L, whereas transfers are amortised over the length of the contract, so every year we are still paying for legacy players. Appreciate it! Wasn't doubting by any means, just truly clueless to how it's all laid out these days. Chelsea don't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Crab Lungs said: I’ll come clean. Bruno Metsu in The Echo was my fault. when I was popular on here I was part of that scheme 👍🏻 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Miltonaggro said: He's fighting Tyson Fury in Qatar. Easy win for Fury. No chance of Che connecting with a moving object. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 44 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: Easy win for Fury. No chance of Che connecting with a moving object. Depends on whether the transfer window is open 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 hours ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: Easy win for Fury. No chance of Che connecting with a moving object. DId you watch Fury's last fight. He hardly moved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 4 hours ago, Long Shot said: It’s pretty certain that the team that won 1-0 at Wembley would struggle to stay up in the PL and that’s before the loanees and out of contract players walk out the door perhaps permanently. That means a massive rebuild and significant expenditure. Just hope whoever is in charge of recruitment and negotiations has had his/her summer break already. That’s fvcking obvious 🙄 hence we will be looking to strengthen the team . The impatience of some of our fans is beyond belief the transfer window has only been open for a couple of days with most eyes on the Euros hence loads of bullshit rumours. The window doesn’t shut until August 20th and I’m confident most of our work will be completed long before then. Cant imagine any last ditch attempts to sign players similar the debacle with Gapko. Martin will want players in place that can adapt to our style of play. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, manji said: That’s fvcking obvious 🙄 hence we will be looking to strengthen the team . The impatience of some of our fans is beyond belief the transfer window has only been open for a couple of days with most eyes on the Euros hence loads of bullshit rumours. The window doesn’t shut until August 20th and I’m confident most of our work will be completed long before then. Cant imagine any last ditch attempts to sign players similar the debacle with Gapko. Martin will want players in place that can adapt to our style of play. what makes you confident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 9 hours ago, Chez said: In the Championship, boy did our squad look strong. But in the Prem, we look incredibly lightweight. Struggle is right. I was really looking forward to this summer transfer window, but the current links to players and noises about financial constraints are taking the shine off it a little. I hope we can make at least a couple of exciting signings. To be fair our best signings have often been clever deals like Romeu, Livramento, Cork, etc, the bigger money deals tends to see us make expensive mistakes 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Saints have put a offer in for Welington of Sao Paulo. He's a LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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