S-Clarke Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) Southampton want back James Ward-Prowse back, West Ham's stance on move explained (hitc.com) More re-hashed stuff I think, feels like typical deadline day fuelled stories to me. Count me really surprised if he ends up here. Edited August 29 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: Zakaria Aboukhlal https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Southampton-cible-zakaria-aboukhlal-toulouse/1504171 Looking at his goal celebration he thinks he strikes like a cobra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dman said: Same can be said about the links to Fraser. Absolutely no benefit / value / need in us making a move for him. I tend to agree on Fraser. He did well for us last season in the Championship but not sure he has what it takes for The Premier League. Maybe a useful squad player but think we can and should be doing better. Edited August 29 by saintant 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 We would all take Prowsey back, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, goodymatt said: We would all take Prowsey back, right? Would be a shrewd loan signing. Wouldn't take him permanently based on his valuation and wage demands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Just now, goodymatt said: We would all take Prowsey back, right? I just don't know where he fits. It feels like we've moved on from him as a squad. If it's a choice between attacking reinforcements and JWP I'd almost certainly float to the attacking reinforcements. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 3 minutes ago, goodymatt said: We would all take Prowsey back, right? Not me. Would use the loan elsewhere. Don't think he's what we need. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, S-Clarke said: I just don't know where he fits. It feels like we've moved on from him as a squad. If it's a choice between attacking reinforcements and JWP I'd almost certainly float to the attacking reinforcements. Hopefully we can shift some of the dead wood and that leaves us with enough for a winger, Fraser on a free foreign striker on loan with option and jwp as a domestic loan. You'd have to be happy with that alongside Ramsdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 5 minutes ago, goodymatt said: We would all take Prowsey back, right? No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, goodymatt said: We would all take Prowsey back, right? Leaving the sentiment aside, I wouldn't unless it was a loan deal with West Ham paying most of his wages (unlikely). We're well stacked with numbers and quality in central midfield now and very rarely does it work out when people go back in football or in life in general. The main thing we needed in the middle of the park was more athleticism and people driving forward with the ball which in Fernandes/Big Les we now have and which is not JWP's game at all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Hopefully we can shift some of the dead wood and that leaves us with enough for a winger, Fraser on a free foreign striker on loan with option and jwp as a domestic loan. You'd have to be happy with that alongside Ramsdale. Yeah that's fair, I just wouldn't want a move for JWP to close any opportunities for positions I feel are more important. If we can still sort out the other positions and get a bonus JWP, I don't think anyone would moan. Lots of competition in CM then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Re: JWP - I just don't know where he fits. It feels like we've moved on from him as a squad. If it's a choice between attacking reinforcements and JWP I'd almost certainly float to the attacking reinforcements. I agree we need an attacker or two first. BUT - We're away at Palace on 29th Dec. Assuming one of Fernandes/Big Les/Flynn is injured. Who would you rather start in their place? JWP, Smallbone or Aribo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Ramsdale Stephens THB JWP Downes Lallana Would give us a team of leaders and potential captains. Can't help but like that even though I don't think jwp is going to come back if I'm honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imadirtyurchin Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, goodymatt said: We would all take Prowsey back, right? Good, back to an appropriate discussion for the thread. I love JWP but he has some limitations as a player and normally I would’ve said yes in a heartbeat - but the reality is at the moment (in my opinion) he wouldn’t bring in enough extra qualities that we are short of in the first team, to justify the cost of having him here - we have other, more pressing shortfalls to address. in relation to the other debate.: “Don’t be a dick” is a good life maxim. Allow other people to live their lives however they wish if it’s with other consenting adults and isn’t actively hurting another person (real hurt not imagined transgressions). stick up for marginalised people and be an ally for people who can’t defend themselves. Basically be nicer. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 7 minutes ago, goodymatt said: We would all take Prowsey back, right? He'd be a starter, but it is one of the positions we don't really need another player. Other positions are more of a priority. Central midfield number 6 and number 8 roles has... Downes Fernandes Ugochukwu Dibling Smallbone Aribo Lallana Adding Ward-Prowse makes 8 players for 3 roles. Would need to lose someone if he joined. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 10 minutes ago, goodymatt said: We would all take Prowsey back, right? If it's right at the very end of the window and we've been unable to get a striker/winger in with the 2nd PL loan slot... then yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Plus we could put out a potential midfield of Downes JWP Smallbone SAA Lallana dibling Which is almost entirely made up of our homegrown players which would be pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) No JWP for me , can't add another ball recycling crab to the mix, he was so good for us but i think we should be looking to move on, I like the idea of Dibling, Fernandes and Ugochukwoo as they all seem like they can drag us up the pitch stark contrast to Smallbone and JWP Edited August 29 by danjosaint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 JWP only works, for me, if we are loaning out or selling some current MF and even attacking squad. His wages are high. But his quality is higher than our average quality for sure. And he can do things from set pieces we will benefit from too. The most likely would be Will or Joe, Kameldeen, Sam Edozie or SAA. These sacrifices would release space and wages for him. We should, however, probably prioritise a goal scorer first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 20 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: If it's a choice between attacking reinforcements and JWP I'd almost certainly float to the attacking reinforcements. This is where I’m at with it. We’re desperate for a striker and in significant need of a winger I think. Midfield just isn’t a priority. However, to me he’s undeniably an upgrade on Smallbone, Aribo and an aging Lallana, and the as yet unproven (but very exciting) Dibling and Fernandes. He has experience and most importantly a goal threat which we are desperately in need of. I think he was top/joint top scorer in our last two EPL seasons. To me he’s a nice to have, and if we can genuinely afford him then I’m in favour, but not at the expense of attackers. We could currently field 6 or 7 midfielders you’d be happy enough with, but probably only one or two forwards you could say the same about. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Alex Fcuking Crook just been on Talk Sport talking up the Ward Prowse loan rumour…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 8 minutes ago, Chewy said: This is where I’m at with it. We’re desperate for a striker and in significant need of a winger I think. Midfield just isn’t a priority. However, to me he’s undeniably an upgrade on Smallbone, Aribo and an aging Lallana, and the as yet unproven (but very exciting) Dibling and Fernandes. He has experience and most importantly a goal threat which we are desperately in need of. I think he was top/joint top scorer in our last two EPL seasons. To me he’s a nice to have, and if we can genuinely afford him then I’m in favour, but not at the expense of attackers. We could currently field 6 or 7 midfielders you’d be happy enough with, but probably only one or two forwards you could say the same about. If we could get Smallbone and Aribo out, then I would absolutely get JWP back if it was workable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, Pat from Poole said: Alex Fcuking Crook just been on Talk Sport talking up the Ward Prowse loan rumour…. Definitely not happening then 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 2 minutes ago, Pat from Poole said: Alex Fcuking Crook just been on Talk Sport talking up the Ward Prowse loan rumour…. he's such a clown. Does anyone have a list of the "south coast football experts" classics? I remember Austin well and now we have Ramsdale, must be loads more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 It wouldn't surprise me if the window closes with jwp at the hammers still and it turns out we were never in for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, Turkish said: he's such a clown. Does anyone have a list of the "south coast football experts" classics? I remember Austin well and now we have Ramsdale, must be loads more He was probably around 6 years old at the time of Oliver Bierhoff. He’s a fcuking Man United follower as well… (I can’t bring myself to say “fan”) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 3 minutes ago, Pat from Poole said: He was probably around 6 years old at the time of Oliver Bierhoff. He’s a fcuking Man United follower as well… (I can’t bring myself to say “fan”) a Man United customer/consumer 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 7 minutes ago, Turkish said: he's such a clown. Does anyone have a list of the "south coast football experts" classics? I remember Austin well and now we have Ramsdale, must be loads more Ings and Bertrand about to sign new contracts. Both left and never signed any new deals. I'm sure he said Wanayama was Cardiff bound before we signed him in 2013. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 23 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: It wouldn't surprise me if the window closes with jwp at the hammers still and it turns out we were never in for him. Martin specifically said at the last presser that it's not a position we're in for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBizzier69 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 hour ago, goodymatt said: We would all take Prowsey back, right? For free kick excitement alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 4 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Martin specifically said at the last presser that it's not a position we're in for. I know but Martin says a lot of stuff and lots of it is untrue or at least not entirely accurate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imadirtyurchin Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 If we did resign JwP - would he still count as a homegrown player? Guessing not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Neither Kostic or Joao Mario deals are happening. Sulemana attracting some interest from Ligue 1 but would be loan rather than permanent and only depending on what we get in first. Club quite relaxed about Tall Pall deal as Turkish window goes on for longer and Trabzonspor increasingly desperate to sign a striker given their lack of goals and failure to get other targets. That's all I've been passed on, though that was yesterday midday ish so it may have changed since then. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 hour ago, saintant said: I tend to agree on Fraser. He did well for us last season in the Championship but not sure he has what it takes for The Premier League. Maybe a useful squad player but think we can and should be doing better. I can understand the sentiments but Edozie is our go to on the left. His footwork is dazzling but his output is below zero. He needs sending out on loan to learn beating his opponent means nothing if the resulting pass if there is one goes to an opponent. Fraser is a good footballer that utilises his lack of pace by checking out onto his right foot and putting in dangerous accurate balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Martin specifically said at the last presser that it's not a position we're in for. Is that the same Martin that keeps telling us with a straight face that Ross Stewart is "two weeks away" and that we're not in the market for signing players who are likely to break our wage structure (ref. Ramsdale)...? Edited August 29 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, trousers said: looks like cocaine, we are signing a drug trafficker, welcome home Jon Viafara! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 11 minutes ago, imadirtyurchin said: If we did resign JwP - would he still count as a homegrown player? Guessing not. I think you're missunderstanding what the 'homegrown' rule means. Its basically anyone who's been at an english club since they were 18, its got nothing to do with them playing for the clubs academy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 8 minutes ago, trousers said: Re-signing Charlie Austin ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imadirtyurchin Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 6 minutes ago, Dman said: I think you're missunderstanding what the 'homegrown' rule means. Its basically anyone who's been at an english club since they were 18, its got nothing to do with them playing for the clubs academy. I don’t know if I misunderstood. I just simply didn’t know 😂 so at an English club since 18 (continuously) except for loans I’m guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Enemy Lines Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 24 minutes ago, trousers said: Is that the same Martin that keeps telling us with a straight face that Ross Stewart is "two weeks away" and that we're not in the market for signing players who are likely to break our wage structure (ref. Ramsdale)...? Striker sorted, welcome Robbie Fowler! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 10 minutes ago, imadirtyurchin said: I don’t know if I misunderstood. I just simply didn’t know 😂 so at an English club since 18 (continuously) except for loans I’m guessing. tbf I think I got it wrong myself. Its 3 continuous years before they're 21 (from what I can see). So Bellingham as an example, would be a 'homegrown' player should he return. Someone like Larios would also be considered a homegrown player... In short, its a bit of nonsense really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 38 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I know but Martin says a lot of stuff and lots of it is untrue or at least not entirely accurate. Like what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said: Like what? Stewart 2 weeks away? There may be good reasons for that one though Edited August 29 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 29 minutes ago, Turkish said: looks like cocaine, we are signing a drug trafficker, welcome home Jon Viafara! With our midfield options he wouldn't get a sniff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 3 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Like what? Baz will be the best keeper in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Baz will be the best keeper in the Championship To be fair, I don't think RM gave a timescale for this? So still time..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Have to say i havent seen the use of pricks this much since sunderland away. Anyway back to players, i feel martin will be going for something like this up front with regards to depth, wasnt sure where diblings natural position is but put him as AM. Archer/Armstrong/Stewart Diaz/Sulemana/Edozie New player/ SAA/ Wee-man if back or Edozie covers MattyF/Dibbling/Aribo Right wing is my major concern currently given Arma is filling in there and we essentially just have SAA unless weeman is back and whilst, i'd love another striker I dont think we can affort one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 6 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: Have to say i havent seen the use of pricks this much since sunderland away. Anyway back to players, i feel martin will be going for something like this up front with regards to depth, wasnt sure where diblings natural position is but put him as AM. Archer/Armstrong/Stewart Diaz/Sulemana/Edozie New player/ SAA/ Wee-man if back or Edozie covers MattyF/Dibbling/Aribo Right wing is my major concern currently given Arma is filling in there and we essentially just have SAA unless weeman is back and whilst, i'd love another striker I dont think we can affort one. Personally I think Arma is better from the right than centrally. The PL is full of big lumps and he just gets bullied when in the middle. Plus if he's there then you can't have a big striker on the pitch to win headers, create knock downs, hold it up effectively. Whether he likes it or not in the PL he surely is an inside forward/winger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Rainbow laces and toasters are now in the lounge. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: He'd be a starter, but it is one of the positions we don't really need another player. Other positions are more of a priority. Central midfield number 6 and number 8 roles has... Downes Fernandes Ugochukwu Dibling Smallbone Aribo Lallana Adding Ward-Prowse makes 8 players for 3 roles. Would need to lose someone if he joined. I chose Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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