S-Clarke Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, Chez said: I've lost track of the current situation, but are we actually looking to sign a striker - we just spent £15m on Archer - and if we are, does it have to be a loan? I didn't think so, but our link to Yuri Alberto suggests otherwise - he is an out and out number 9. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Stuttgart have signed a CB, presumably means they are now totally out on ABK too I wonder if there is any other interest in ABK? His PSV loan move came a bit out of the blue last time, so there is still a chance he will depart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 7 minutes ago, egg said: He can be annoying, yes, but you suggesting (or raising) that he's autistic was bang out of order and completely unnecessary. How is simply raising a condition bang out of order? Unless you think that having autism is in some way bad which I assume you don't. If anything understanding context makes things easier to explain why posters are the way they are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, Chez said: I wonder if there is any other interest in ABK? His PSV loan move came a bit out of the blue last time, so there is still a chance he will depart. I think we were hoping for $$$$ this summer from him, but I reckon it'll be a last min free loan somewhere in Europe - just to get him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, notnowcato said: Yeah, think you may have misread my post. MLG disappeared because the hate on here was pathetic, shallow and showed a complete lack of empathy - which is ironic. It was people posting about how annoying they found his pedantry and suggesting he stops doing it. I fail to see how point out something obvious like that is either pathetic or shallow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: I think we were hoping for $$$$ this summer from him, but I reckon it'll be a last min free loan somewhere in Europe - just to get him out. Most likely. I doubt we will let him go for something below 8 million and I'm not sure we would find a suitable buyer at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: How is simply raising a condition bang out of order? Unless you think that having autism is in some way bad which I assume you don't. If anything understanding context makes things easier to explain why posters are the way they are. I think you need a bit of self reflection if you feel the need to ask that question, and despite what you now say was your intention, it didn't come across that way. Anyways, I have no interest in bogging the thread down on the possible issues of a poster so feel free to have the last word. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Did you not watch him when he was with us ? And you didn’t think he was composed or fast ? I’m not too bothered about what happened since because he’s been at Chelsea which isn’t a easy team to break into he’s still only a kid and the potential is super high Er....he went to Fulham in Feb I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, egg said: I think you need a bit of self reflection if you feel the need to ask that question, and despite what you now say was your intention, it didn't come across that way. Anyways, I have no interest in bogging the thread down on the possible issues of a poster so feel free to have the last word. I don't care how you believed it came across to you. Given the lack of empathy you've shown others I don't need a lecture from someone like you given your prior disgusting language. Like you say better to pass by my comments if you're going to project onto what I said what you think I said rather than what I actually did. Back to transfer talk please. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said: Er....he went to Fulham in Feb I think. And did ……… nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 53 minutes ago, iansums said: "How do you feel Justin?" "Fine, thank you" "Excellent, medical passed" They clearly didnt shake his hand when they first met. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 26 minutes ago, imadirtyurchin said: Hard (for us) to score with the ball. The underlying theory of Russball is to reduce the time that the other side have the ball to score by holding the ball. Since that if we try to score we would end up losing the ball, we wouldn’t encourage our players to try to score. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Convict Colony said: from 2023 - https://www.scisports.com/scouting-gbe-qualified-talents-from-south-america/ current ai scouting - https://scoutingstats.ai/player/yuri-alberto-7481/ First player on that list is Goztepe-bound Victor Hugo too… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: And did ……… nothing Precisely...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 7 hours ago, ally_uk said: West ham are terminating Ings contract? Surely we should go in for him..... 5 hours ago, Dman said: He doesn't want to come back. Or at least didn't at the start of the window. Move on from Ings. Do we know why Ings "doesn't want to come back"? Is there an interview / article somewhere that explains his thinking? Maybe it was a reason that could change over time? Or maybe the reason was set in stone? Who knows....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, trousers said: Do we know why Ings "doesn't want to come back"? Is there an interview / article somewhere that explains his thinking? Maybe it was a reason that could change over time? Or maybe the reason was set in stone? Who knows....? If they're terminating his contract you'd doubt he'd have many other options at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLondon Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 My friend, who has a contact at the club, mentioned that his source says it's never been busier with transfer activity, both in and out. Said it's gonna be a wild few days! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: And there’s the problem. He'll stay or go, based on that single-mindedness. Unless it goes fundamentally wrong, he's pursuing a career around it (see Kompany last season?) The theoretical pluses are that we know who to recruit for, as SR are aligned to it. He does adapt within it, but within levels the scouting can look for. SR can focus their resources along those lines. Having half an eye on how the likes of Man City use it, helps by parading pound signs across their eyes too. There are positives in having a very versatile squad, and a system that changes based on opponents/ circumstances. It seems that SR are keen to focus on a certain style. An issue is that there have now been a few, and we have surplus to requirements players as a result. Some of their economies have been false ones. I keep thinking of Nathan saying that now it was going to be his way. Or Ralph being demoralised with the changes that came into his system, with the resources he had. I guess I'd prefer Martin's approach to rapidly changing managers or those not buying into changes. If it doesn't work, we're more likely to know why, and learn from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 58 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: The deal is perhaps structured in a way our insurers like. After Stewart they might be looking at the risks we take in signing players, hence the 20 games. I’m surprised we can still get insurance on our players…..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Getting Ings back strikes me as a bad move even for free (and probably on huge wages). 32 year old who scored 4 goals in 50 or so appearances for his last club who deem him surplus. Would he really recapture his form and score the goals we need? It seems doubtful. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) ... Edited August 27 by trousers Bollocks... wrong end of the stick trousers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, SW5 SAINT said: I’m surprised we can still get insurance on our players…..! I thought that after David Hirst. Hate to think what the premiums are like now. 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Honestly, I couldn’t give less of a toss if we sign someone or not. Quite simply, as a club we’re not in a position where we can spend £30-40m on a single player. I’d rather the club were cautious in their approach then full scattergun pissing money up the wall. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 If you’re expecting stupid money to be spent per player like Brighton, Villa, Forest, Bournemouth etc - you’re deluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Quite simply, as a club we’re not in a position where we can spend £30-40m on a single player. Could it be argued that instead of spending £15-£20m on "average" players we'd be better off spending £30-£40 on half as many "very good" players...? (i.e. ye olde quantity vs quality debate). That's how I used to build my Fantasy Football team anyway.... Edited August 27 by trousers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 5 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: If you’re expecting stupid money to be spent per player like Brighton, Villa, Forest, Bournemouth etc - you’re deluded Who is expecting that on here? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: If you’re expecting stupid money to be spent per player like Brighton, Villa, Forest, Bournemouth etc - you’re deluded Stupid money?? It's the going rate for decent Premier League level players these days. No wonder as a club we are still paying the same fees we were paying for players 15 years ago with comments like that. We are never going to compete when we are shopping in that price range. Even fuckin Bournemouth have a bigger transfer record purchase than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 5 minutes ago, trousers said: Could it be argued that instead of spending £15-£20m on "average" players we'd be better off spending £30-£40 on half as many "very good" players...? (i.e. ye olde quantity vs quality debate). That's how I used to build my Fantasy Football team anyway.... That's was addressed by RM today. We can't at the moment as it will damage the wage structure. But he also said it was a choice to do it this way. We will see come May whether this way was good enough. Even if it proves it wasn't it doesn't mean that buying 3 or 4 at 30m+ would of worked either. Ultimately it's the combination that matters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, trousers said: Could it be argued that instead of spending £15-£20m on "average" players we'd be better off spending £30-£40 on half as many "very good" players...? (i.e. ye olde quantity vs quality debate). That's how I used to build my Fantasy Football team anyway.... this strategy arguably diminishes our potential return on investment which is crucial for us to be sustainable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, trousers said: Could it be argued that instead of spending £15-£20m on "average" players we'd be better off spending £30-£40 on half as many "very good" players...? (i.e. ye olde quantity vs quality debate). That's how I used to build my Fantasy Football team anyway.... SR are focused on keeping the individual wages as low as possible. I think a 30-40m player, makes keeping within that difficult. SR are also keen on the sell on. Others like Brighton have moved on to the level of buying in more expensive players destined for big things. I don't think we're going to be near that for a while. So, that 15-20 level might be as far as we can go. And imagine that's after scouring for talent running down their contracts, or on frees that would also fit their plans. I much prefer your fantasy football way though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 12 minutes ago, HKsaint said: The underlying theory of Russball is to reduce the time that the other side have the ball to score by holding the ball. Since that if we try to score we would end up losing the ball, we wouldn’t encourage our players to try to score. Taking that the full circle, play ten defenders and stick the ball into the back of the stand. Both equally stupid and unsuccessful unless the team is full of £100m players as per MC. Doing what we are doing playing keep ball in our own last third eventually hands an easy chance to the opposition and by present standards will relegate us. Cut out the crap and compete. The aim of the game is score goals not keep the ball. Doing what we are doing is neutering our goal scoring ability. If Martin is too frightened to play the game the way it was supposed to be played then just stop trying to con the supporters and leave. We were promoted not because his football did it, it didn't. Until he changed for the last league game at Leeds and cut out the possession from the goalkeeper we did just enough to get promoted. Now his plan, keep the shape and go back to the trash. It won't work. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 22 minutes ago, trousers said: Do we know why Ings "doesn't want to come back"? Is there an interview / article somewhere that explains his thinking? Maybe it was a reason that could change over time? Or maybe the reason was set in stone? Who knows....? I suspected that Ings didn't want to leave West Ham on their terms, and presumably foregoing bonuses and contract payouts, which might have been distinct from specifically not wanting to join Saints. West Ham were quick to leak Ings's stance / incalcitrant rejection of a move - I don't remember either Ings or Saints specifically said he'd rejected Saints. Presumably both parties are now waiting and hoping the other side cracks as the end of the window looms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, derry said: Taking that the full circle, play ten defenders and stick the ball into the back of the stand. Both equally stupid and unsuccessful unless the team is full of £100m players as per MC. Doing what we are doing playing keep ball in our own last third eventually hands an easy chance to the opposition and by present standards will relegate us. Cut out the crap and compete. The aim of the game is score goals not keep the ball. Doing what we are doing is neutering our goal scoring ability. If Martin is too frightened to play the game the way it was supposed to be played then just stop trying to con the supporters and leave. We were promoted not because his football did it, it didn't. Until he changed for the last league game at Leeds and cut out the possession from the goalkeeper we did just enough to get promoted. Now his plan, keep the shape and go back to the trash. It won't work. I think the post was a bit tongue in cheek. It is when I use it anyway. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 18 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: I’d rather the club were cautious in their approach then full scattergun pissing money up the wall. Bit late for that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I think the post was a bit tongue in cheek. It is when I use it anyway. 🙂 I got that but it pretty much sums up our performances especially evidenced by the possession chart and goal threat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 8 hours ago, ally_uk said: West ham are terminating Ings contract? Surely we should go in for him..... 5 hours ago, Dman said: He doesn't want to come back. Or at least didn't at the start of the window. Move on from Ings. 34 minutes ago, trousers said: Do we know why Ings "doesn't want to come back"? Is there an interview / article somewhere that explains his thinking? Maybe it was a reason that could change over time? Or maybe the reason was set in stone? Who knows....? 6 minutes ago, benali-shorts said: I suspected that Ings didn't want to leave West Ham on their terms, and presumably foregoing bonuses and contract payouts, which might have been distinct from specifically not wanting to join Saints. West Ham were quick to leak Ings's stance / incalcitrant rejection of a move - I don't remember either Ings or Saints specifically said he'd rejected Saints. Presumably both parties are now waiting and hoping the other side cracks as the end of the window looms. Yep, same... I've no recollection either of any reports of Ings explicitly declaring he "doesn't want to come back"... Appreciate it was at the start of the window but can you remember where did you heard / read this @Dman ? Edited August 27 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 12 minutes ago, MarkSFC said: That's was addressed by RM today. We can't at the moment as it will damage the wage structure. But he also said it was a choice to do it this way. We will see come May whether this way was good enough. Even if it proves it wasn't it doesn't mean that buying 3 or 4 at 30m+ would of worked either. Ultimately it's the combination that matters. 11 minutes ago, Hopper said: this strategy arguably diminishes our potential return on investment which is crucial for us to be sustainable. 9 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: SR are focused on keeping the individual wages as low as possible. I think a 30-40m player, makes keeping within that difficult. SR are also keen on the sell on. Others like Brighton have moved on to the level of buying in more expensive players destined for big things. I don't think we're going to be near that for a while. So, that 15-20 level might be as far as we can go. And imagine that's after scouring for talent running down their contracts, or on frees that would also fit their plans. I much prefer your fantasy football way though. Fair enough. Looks like a yo-yo strategy to me. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing given how over-commercialised the PL is. Alternate seasons in the PL and Championship works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 21 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Honestly, I couldn’t give less of a toss if we sign someone or not. Quite simply, as a club we’re not in a position where we can spend £30-40m on a single player. I’d rather the club were cautious in their approach then full scattergun pissing money up the wall. So what you’re saying is that unless we spend £30-40m on a single player, it’s not worth signing anyone? And why are you so vehemently against the club spending lots of money “pissing it up the wall” in their transfer activity - were you expecting some of it to come your way…an inheritance maybe?🤔 Whatever, you seemingly do give a toss, which is fair enough. 😏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 38 minutes ago, trousers said: Do we know why Ings "doesn't want to come back"? Is there an interview / article somewhere that explains his thinking? Maybe it was a reason that could change over time? Or maybe the reason was set in stone? Who knows....? I suspect the reason lies with Saints wage structure more than anything else - his expectations do not match what we can offer currently and he knows it, assuming of course there ever was a genuine interest in bringing him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, trousers said: Alternate seasons in the PL and Championship works for me If that were to happen, we'd have a horrendous season every other year. That wouldn't be great, regardless of enjoying the promotion years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 If West Ham are terminating Ings contract they will have to pay it off which in itself solves a problem as it takes care of what could be Ings reluctance to take a pay cut. Being a free agent he would then be able to earn even more from another club having trousered the remainder of his contract already. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: If that were to happen, we'd have a horrendous season every other year. That wouldn't be great, regardless of enjoying the promotion years. Dunno - there are bonuses like sorting the wheat from the chaff, both in the changing room and on the terraces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Just now, Matthew Le God said: If that were to happen, we'd have a horrendous season every other year. That wouldn't be great, regardless of enjoying the promotion years. To my mind, relegation is only "horrendous" if it's unexpected. Given we can't / won't adjust our wage structure so that we're competitive with the rest of the league (on that metric) then relegation is more likely than unlikley, I would venture, and thefore won't be a shock if/when it happens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Shea Charles joins his brother at Sheff Weds https://x.com/swfc/status/1828443653708079217 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Shea Charles joins his brother at Sheff Weds https://x.com/swfc/status/1828443653708079217 Good move for him. I expect he will be the Downes replacement if we go down again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, derry said: If West Ham are terminating Ings contract they will have to pay it off which in itself solves a problem as it takes care of what could be Ings reluctance to take a pay cut. Being a free agent he would then be able to earn even more from another club having trousered the remainder of his contract already. As an example, Fraser in the same position as Ings at Newcastle, wants to leave but won't leave without his contract being paid up and made a free agent. Newcastle not agreeing. He either has to stay and not play or take a financial hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 5 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Dunno - there are bonuses like sorting the wheat from the chaff, both in the changing room and on the terraces. Doesn't make much difference in match going fanbase. We averaged 29k+ last season in the Championship and will average 30k+ this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Shea Charles joins his brother at Sheff Weds https://x.com/swfc/status/1828443653708079217 Good move for Shea. Will be watching his progress there on loan closely 👍 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 FAiled a medical 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Oh fuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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