SNSUN Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 7 minutes ago, Saint NL said: So we're loaning Ramsdale, assuming we're buying Bijlow to send him for a seasons loan to Goztepe? If we loan Ramsdale, that means resorting to Bazunu next season. If we buy Bijlow, we have genuine competition for Bazunu for the next couple of seasons or more. For me it's a no-brainer - Bijlow for the extended competition, but I think the club would rather bring in a loanee for the season - which means Ramsdale. Enjoy him for the short term I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 8 minutes ago, SNSUN said: If we loan Ramsdale, that means resorting to Bazunu next season. If we buy Bijlow, we have genuine competition for Bazunu for the next couple of seasons or more. For me it's a no-brainer - Bijlow for the extended competition, but I think the club would rather bring in a loanee for the season - which means Ramsdale. Enjoy him for the short term I guess. Big wages though….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Pat from Poole said: Big wages though….. If it's the difference between safety and relegation at the end of the season it will have been worth every penny. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 24 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: It's a joke. You're stupid. Bit Bijlow the belt! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Alcaraz deal agreed between the clubs, apparently just up to Charly himself now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Bye Charly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Just me that would prefer Bijlow to Ramsdale? Ramsdale is renowned for not being able to use his feet properly. If we're going to play this way, may as well go all in. I can imagine Ramsdale's wages being a lot more too even if we're only covering a percentage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 If Charley's off and there's a player coming our way in exchange to be loaned to Goztepe...How come we keep loaning to Goztepe and never SR's other club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said: Just me that would prefer Bijlow to Ramsdale? Ramsdale is renowned for not being able to use his feet properly. If we're going to play this way, may as well go all in. I can imagine Ramsdale's wages being a lot more too even if we're only covering a percentage. Be happy either way to be honest. Ramsdale more expensive, Bijlow with injury concerns. Both have a flaw but both are monumental upgrades. The one worry I'd have with Ramsdale is that if it's a loan where we don't sign him at the end, do we just go back to Bazunu? At least with Bijlow you'd assume that he'd be the starter for the foreseeable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: If Charley's off and there's a player coming our way in exchange to be loaned to Goztepe...How come we keep loaning to Goztepe and never SR's other club? Probably because they are in third tier of French Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Be happy either way to be honest. Ramsdale more expensive, Bijlow with injury concerns. Both have a flaw but both are monumental upgrades. The one worry I'd have with Ramsdale is that if it's a loan where we don't sign him at the end, do we just go back to Bazunu? At least with Bijlow you'd assume that he'd be the starter for the foreseeable. Exactly that. I'm a Bazunu fan but he is nowhere near ready to be first choice keeper. Probably won't be for at least 2-3 years. That had crossed my mind as being another benefit of Bijlow. Though I guess if he's injured a lot, Baz might play more games anyway. Not saying I'd be actively unhappy with Ramsdale btw. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Just now, Harry_SFC said: Probably because they are in third tier of French Football. All the more reason to help them out. I'd imagine the goal for SR is to have all their clubs in their respective top flights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 How many transfers have we made this summer now? It's a pretty decent number, even if we haven't shelled out on a big one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said: All the more reason to help them out. I'd imagine the goal for SR is to have all their clubs in their respective top flights. I think Valenciennes have been relegated two seasons in a row? SR have got a lot to do to turn them around.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 11 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: If Charley's off and there's a player coming our way in exchange to be loaned to Goztepe...How come we keep loaning to Goztepe and never SR's other club? This is starting to take the piss tbh.. we can’t even compete with Ipswich on transfer fees but are happy to keep feeding goztepe .:we are taking less for Alcaraz to take a inferior player ti loan out .. SR are as dodgy as gao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Just now, pimpin4rizeal said: This is starting to take the piss tbh.. we can’t even compete with Ipswich on transfer fees but are happy to keep feeding goztepe .:we are taking less for Alcaraz to take a inferior player ti loan out .. SR are as dodgy as gao Really confused as to why this has everybody so rattled? We're taking a young player who had an £18m bid from a PL club last year, and putting him out to a good league to develop for a season whilst we're able to take a good look at him and see if he'll fit our system the year after? If he does, great. If he doesn't, there'll likely be a resale value on the player so it seems extremely unlikely we won't receive any financial value from the part exchange. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Really confused as to why this has everybody so rattled? We're taking a young player who had an £18m bid from a PL club last year, and putting him out to a good league to develop for a season whilst we're able to take a good look at him and see if he'll fit our system the year after? If he does, great. If he doesn't, there'll likely be a resale value on the player so it seems extremely unlikely we won't receive any financial value from the part exchange. We’re getting our pants pulled down. Just give us the cash and keep your dud players. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: This is starting to take the piss tbh.. we can’t even compete with Ipswich on transfer fees but are happy to keep feeding goztepe .:we are taking less for Alcaraz to take a inferior player ti loan out .. SR are as dodgy as gao Nonsense Sport Republic have invested a lot of money, Gao didn't invest a single penny. Saints have spent a lot of money this summer and in their previous PL season under Sport Republic. The Alcaraz replacement has already been signed. Göztepe and Valenciennes doing well benefits Saints and vice versa. So helping them, helps us. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Hopper said: Bijlow, for me is the better fit. Ball playing keeper and at a decent price permanently. Definitely seems like a bit of deal sealing rumor-mongering. Should read .... Bijlow, for me is the better fit. Ball playing keeper and often injured . Thinks he ticks two of our critical boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: We’re getting our pants pulled down. Just give us the cash and keep your dud players. Literally neither of us have ever heard of/watched this player and that's your conclusion? Fair play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 22 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: If Charley's off and there's a player coming our way in exchange to be loaned to Goztepe...How come we keep loaning to Goztepe and never SR's other club? Because the level of the Süper Lig is far above the 3rd Division of French football. The players we are loaning out are being loaned with a view to bring them back to the senior squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 6 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: We’re getting our pants pulled down. Just give us the cash and keep your dud players. Why have you written him off as a 'dud'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, Hopper said: Because the level of the Süper Lig is far above the 3rd Division of French football. The players we are loaning out are being loaned with a view to bring them back to the senior squad. I think that playing in the Turkish league gives the players Visa points so that they can get a work permit for the season after. Much like Brighton did with Mitoma. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 28 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: All the more reason to help them out. I'd imagine the goal for SR is to have all their clubs in their respective top flights. I think the idea is players go to Goztepe to develop, and if they’re deemed good enough, we can then sign them. French 3rd tier is way too low to establish a player’s quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 That period in the season when we have to wait for the magic 10 games to see : 1. What the final team is and 2. Are the new team members any good 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I love how people act like it's their personal money. Sports Republic can run their business however they feel fit. It's not like they haven't spent loads already this window. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 12 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Really confused as to why this has everybody so rattled? We're taking a young player who had an £18m bid from a PL club last year, and putting him out to a good league to develop for a season whilst we're able to take a good look at him and see if he'll fit our system the year after? If he does, great. If he doesn't, there'll likely be a resale value on the player so it seems extremely unlikely we won't receive any financial value from the part exchange. A lot will depend on the valuation of Victor Hugo. Let's say we value Hugo at 18M (not unreasonable if that's what Wolves bid for him) + 7M. That puts the deal for Alcaraz at a healthy 25M but the vast majority of that is tied up with Hugo out on loan at Goztepe and not really helping our finances or our ability to sign players this summer. Personally I'd rather it was a straight cash deal and think it's probably pretty unlikely Hugo will play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said: I think he's being sarcastic and is trying to take the piss out of my Brighton season ticket holding tractor drivers - but I also guess he doesn't know my farm is 15 miles from Falmer. Your name is Bob Copper and I claim my £5..;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, suewhistle said: Your name is Bob Copper and I claim my £5..;-) Rottingdean? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 54 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Ramsdale is renowned for not being able to use his feet properly. Yeah I'm not sure that's entirely accurate actually 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 12 minutes ago, revolution saint said: A lot will depend on the valuation of Victor Hugo. Let's say we value Hugo at 18M (not unreasonable if that's what Wolves bid for him) + 7M. That puts the deal for Alcaraz at a healthy 25M but the vast majority of that is tied up with Hugo out on loan at Goztepe and not really helping our finances or our ability to sign players this summer. Personally I'd rather it was a straight cash deal and think it's probably pretty unlikely Hugo will play for us. All depends how the deal is structured. If we sell them Alcaraz for £25m then sign Hugo back from them at £18m on a 3 year contract, then that means we're only recording a £6m outlay on this year's books but receiving the full £25m for Charly, resulting in a £19m 'profit' for this year as far as FFP is concerned. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, HarvSFC said: Interesting. Ramsdale's the better goalkeeper, Bijlow's better with the ball at his feet. There's big positives and small negatives for either. Is this going to be another Ramos and Gakpo situation, where we end up with neither? 🤷🏼♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: 🤷🏼♂️ TBF he's only weak with long passing apparently because he never does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilwaukeeSaint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: Yeah I'm not sure that's entirely accurate actually My cousin is a massive Arsenal fan and he told me that the general consensus amongst his mates is that Ramsdale is both the better shot-stopper and has a better short passing game when in comparison to Raya. He believes Raya's ability to ping long passes is what gets him in the XI over Ramsdale. Just one person's perspective but I was surprised he felt that way as I was too lead to believe that Ramsdale was a bit of a liability with the ball at his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: All depends how the deal is structured. If we sell them Alcaraz for £25m then sign Hugo back from them at £18m on a 3 year contract, then that means we're only recording a £6m outlay on this year's books but receiving the full £25m for Charly, resulting in a £19m 'profit' for this year as far as FFP is concerned. Yeah, I purposely didn't mention FFP/PSR for exactly that reason. Whilst you can do a bit of sleight of hand with the books, the end result in cash terms is you only have 7M rather than 25M. Plus of course Victor Hugo who may (or not) be worth it, Edited August 22 by revolution saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, revolution saint said: Yeah, I purposely didn't mention FFP/PSR for exactly that reason. Whilst you can do a bit of sleight of hand with the books, the end result in cash terms is you only have 7M rather than 25M. Is the Ramsdale talk just talk or is there a real possibility? Thought he was going to Wolves and it was all tied up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Just now, revolution saint said: Yeah, I purposely didn't mention FFP/PSR for exactly that reason. Whilst you can do a bit of sleight of hand with the books, the end result in cash terms is you only have 7M rather than 25M. Not quite true. You have £7m plus an £18m asset (that could turn a tidy profit in future). The only reason the full £25m in our pocket would be better is if we had a cash flow problem, which we apparently don't. SR are obviously playing the long game on this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 According to the Reddit thread, we are receiving €18m euros and Victor Hugo in exchange for Charlie. Wolves valued Hugo at £20m, plus the ~£15m cash means the total value of Alcaraz is around £35m. After getting £10m for Mara, it seems someone at the club is negotiating better deals on sales. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 59 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Really confused as to why this has everybody so rattled? We're taking a young player who had an £18m bid from a PL club last year, and putting him out to a good league to develop for a season whilst we're able to take a good look at him and see if he'll fit our system the year after? If he does, great. If he doesn't, there'll likely be a resale value on the player so it seems extremely unlikely we won't receive any financial value from the part exchange. This would be a good move / stance if we were an established premier league side. Right now, it’s cutting us financially when we need all the money we can to try and stay up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 13 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Not quite true. You have £7m plus an £18m asset (that could turn a tidy profit in future). The only reason the full £25m in our pocket would be better is if we had a cash flow problem, which we apparently don't. SR are obviously playing the long game on this one. Yes, I edited the original but too late for your reply. End of the day I'm looking at it in the same way I would any transfer that was a player plus cash deal. Is the player being offered any good, and do we need him? It's subjective of course but he didn't impress me enough to think he was better than cash we could spend elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 35 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: Yeah I'm not sure that's entirely accurate actually All long range passes. Something our keepers just don't do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 From the Reddit thread: Flamengo fan here. Victor Hugo has been massively sabotaged by our club, something that happens to everyone of our academy players nowadays. I'm confident Vini Jr wouldn't get playtime if he was coming up now, especially with our trashcan of a coach who sabotaged current-level Vini at the freaking World Cup. Victor Hugo carries the ball really well, is capable of beating his man, is phisically developed for his age, has a knack for getting into the box and scoring. The problem is that his confidence is shot since he barely plays and our coach hates youngsters, so he hasn't been doing these things in the rare instances he gets a chance. He was never given time to develop, but he's only 20 and started featuring for us at 18. He's not a player to be involved in a trade, he was supposed to go for 20M minimum, so if you develop him you'll be good. [13 upvotes] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 24 minutes ago, Saint NL said: According to the Reddit thread, we are receiving €18m euros and Victor Hugo in exchange for Charlie. Wolves valued Hugo at £20m, plus the ~£15m cash means the total value of Alcaraz is around £35m. After getting £10m for Mara, it seems someone at the club is negotiating better deals on sales. I think it has since changed to €18m and Hugo on loan as opposed to permanently. We paid €13m or so for Charly so €18-20m for a player that has barely played for us or Juve in the last year is decent business. Charly is worth nowhere near €30m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 11 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: All long range passes. Something our keepers just don't do. Bazunu has a quality long pass, which we saw plenty of. (18.6% of his passes were long balls) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Charly Alcaraz. What a prospect. He doesn't fully fit in to our team, though. It seems like Hugo would be more likely to, and both seem to have similar levels of talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Loekkegaard Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, SNSUN said: If we loan Ramsdale, that means resorting to Bazunu next season. If we buy Bijlow, we have genuine competition for Bazunu for the next couple of seasons or more. For me it's a no-brainer - Bijlow for the extended competition, but I think the club would rather bring in a loanee for the season - which means Ramsdale. Enjoy him for the short term I guess. Ramsdale must be very hungry for playing, and personnally I'd rather see him signing om loan for a year - than an injury prone keeper proven elsewhere (Eresdivisie) at a price of 10 million pounds. We don't have the best experiences with injury prone players. So - I think I'd rather loan Ramsdale for a year for 5 million than buying the Dutch man for 10. Edited August 22 by Kristian Loekkegaard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, Kristian Loekkegaard said: Ramsdale must be very hungry for playing, and personnally I'd rather see him signing om loan for a year - than an injury prone keeper proven elsewhere (Eresdivisie) at a price of 10 million pounds. We don't have the best experiences with injury prone players. So - I think I'd rather loan Ramsdale for a year for 5 million than buying the Dutch man for 10. Ramsdale will cost us £10m for the year when you take into account fee and wages, but he's an established PL keeper and as you say not injury prone, so definitely the better option imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 How is the value of a part exchange player worked out for the purposes of FFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: How is the value of a part exchange player worked out for the purposes of FFP? If it was in any way beneficial, Todd Boehly would already be doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Apparently Racing have a 15% sell on clause for Alcaraz. Think this deal is getting worse by the minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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