hypochondriac Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 4 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said: Apparently the issue with all this is we have no money to spend might as well shut up shop now. It's Apparently about who we can loan now - according to Alfie from echo on X A grotesque misrepresentation of what was said. That's the sort of thing you see on twitter from teenage saints fans crying into their capri suns. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Full context for anyone not wanting to brave the shitshow that is X. (I don't blame you) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 21 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said: Apparently the issue with all this is we have no money to spend might as well shut up shop now. It's Apparently about who we can loan now - according to Alfie from echo on X Try reading it again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Were the club hoping KWP, Onuachu, Bella K would be sold by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Just now, sfc4prem said: Were the club hoping KWP, Onuachu, Bella K would be sold by now? Almost certainly would’ve wanted 1/2 off the books by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, sfc4prem said: Were the club hoping KWP, Onuachu, Bella K would be sold by now? I think the fact they’ve not featured largely in any pre-season games tells much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Shame really that clubs like Chelsea can spend spend spend, despite, increasing the disparity between them and hamstrung clubs like us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 (edited) The thing to bear in mind is that a LOT of business is done at the last minute. It's why deadline is so engrossing to watch. I think we will get bits done but it might be last minute... Edited August 9 by Hopper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 28 minutes ago, sfc4prem said: Shame really that clubs like Chelsea can spend spend spend, despite, increasing the disparity between them and hamstrung clubs like us. Football is utterly broken. £17M on an 8th keeper?!? How on earth are we expected to compete? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 18 hours ago, CSA96 said: It is mad Chelsea prepare to sign goalkeeper number 8 (EIGHT). https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn5rz5kvqk7o They could sell us three and still have five left. Say what you like about Chelsea, but paying £17m for an eighth-choice keeper is absolute baller behaviour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 43 minutes ago, sfc4prem said: Were the club hoping KWP, Onuachu, Bella K would be sold by now? well we cant be that desperate for cash as we've had offers on the table for all 3 for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 10 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said: Football is utterly broken. £17M on an 8th keeper?!? How on earth are we expected to compete? Just found £60million for Pedro Neto too. Their accountants must be bloody marvellous. Sure they’ll just sell some of their own assets to themselves again or something equally as dodgy. Watch this space for Chelsea FC selling lunar real estate to the totally unrelated Chalsee CF … Bugger me they’re an unlikely club! Hoping it all goes horribly wrong with Maresca and the yanks asset values plummet through the floor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Mulgrew Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Duplicate post from Charley’s thread. 1 minute ago, Tommy Mulgrew said: Lazio apparently been told by us that Charley is theirs for merely €15million. What a comedown from over €40million! https://thelaziali.com/2024/08/09/southampton-name-their-price-for-ex-juventus-midfielder-wanted-at-lazio/ At that price, I think I’d rather keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 52 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: I think the fact they’ve not featured largely in any pre-season games tells much. This is another issue for me .. why do we freeze out the players we want to sell ? Surely that’s weakening our hand when bargaining for example tranzonspor must know Damn well we need to sell and will probably buckle to their lowball offers now at some point ., Same goes for ABK who is gonna pay top dollar when they know we need to sell? we are freezing the player out of pre season and in this case even tarnishing his character through blackmores Comments .. it’s not too shrewd really Is it ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Just now, pimpin4rizeal said: This is another issue for me .. why do we freeze out the players we want to sell ? Surely that’s weakening our hand when bargaining for example tranzonspor must know Damn well we need to sell and will probably buckle to their lowball offers now at some point ., Same goes for ABK who is gonna pay top dollar when they know we need to sell? we are freezing the player out of pre season and in this case even tarnishing his character through blackmores Comments .. it’s not too shrewd really Is it ? Not as much as it weakens us if they get injured 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Hopper said: Full context for anyone not wanting to brave the shitshow that is X. (I don't blame you) This is the absolute crux of it. We’re not living in a Football Manager simulation. We’re still having to clear up the train wreck of our last Premier League season. Spending huge money on, quite frankly, dross, and paying off two managers. The more I think of it, the more miraculous promotion last season feels. I dread to think the predicament we’d be in if we were kicking off in the Championship again this weekend. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolm waldron Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 29 minutes ago, UpweySaint said: Just found £60million for Pedro Neto too. Their accountants must be bloody marvellous. Sure they’ll just sell some of their own assets to themselves again or something equally as dodgy. Watch this space for Chelsea FC selling lunar real estate to the totally unrelated Chalsee CF … Bugger me they’re an unlikely club! Hoping it all goes horribly wrong with Maresca and the yanks asset values plummet through the floor. As you've hinted at - when you can sell a hotel connected to the stadium to a 'company' related to the football club for £76.5 million, then it frees up a lot funding to bend PSR rules. Mind you, didn't Derby sell the ground back to itself for something like £80 million a few years back...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Absolutely, any money for ABK at this stage is a bonus. Need him out of the club ASAP, horrible influence who is being kept away from the first team setup. One of our worst ever signings - added to the long list of worst ever signings in just 3 transfer windows. Sorry but worst ever signing ? you where absolutely wanking over him like he was the next vvd and saying enjoy him while he’s here under hasenhuttll ? He’s had injuries wasnt here last year and now Blackmore says he’s got an attitude suddenly turns him into one of our worst ever signings and don’t forget we are probably not gonna lose money on him, he was cheap in the first place Edited August 9 by pimpin4rizeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 33 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: This is another issue for me .. why do we freeze out the players we want to sell ? Surely that’s weakening our hand when bargaining for example tranzonspor must know Damn well we need to sell and will probably buckle to their lowball offers now at some point ., Same goes for ABK who is gonna pay top dollar when they know we need to sell? we are freezing the player out of pre season and in this case even tarnishing his character through blackmores Comments .. it’s not too shrewd really Is it ? 32 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Not as much as it weakens us if they get injured See Sulemana - currently injured for a month or so after playing in pre-season; and as a consequence very unlikely to be sold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 4 hours ago, saintant said: Have you not seen the lack of a midfield shield for our defence? I'd say it's one of the most important positions and we still haven't replaced Romeu with anyone half competent. I see Romeu has just returned to Girona on loan. What a loan signing he would have been for us this summer. I reckon he could still have done a job and surprised to see he's still only 32. I'd assume he'd prefer to stay in Catalonia than return to sunny Southampton anyway.... I know I would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 45 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: This is another issue for me .. why do we freeze out the players we want to sell ? Surely that’s weakening our hand when bargaining for example tranzonspor must know Damn well we need to sell and will probably buckle to their lowball offers now at some point ., Same goes for ABK who is gonna pay top dollar when they know we need to sell? we are freezing the player out of pre season and in this case even tarnishing his character through blackmores Comments .. it’s not too shrewd really Is it ? You’re looking at it the wrong way around, why would we play them? There’s no point wasting any preseason minutes on someone we have no intention of playing next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, OttawaSaint said: Football is utterly broken. £17M on an 8th keeper?!? How on earth are we expected to compete? Not only that, why are 6 of the 8 even bothering to join them?. Unless they're going to be all played in rotation there's 6 keepers getting paid to stay at home gardening at the weekends 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Not seen this so appols if already posted https://www.southamptonfc.news/transfers/southampton-now-set-sights-on-30m-star-who-brighton-fancy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 21 minutes ago, Wurzel said: Not only that, why are 6 of the 8 even bothering to join them?. Unless they're going to be all played in rotation there's 6 keepers getting paid to stay at home gardening at the weekends Wild isn't it? I know money is a huge draw but if you love playing football how must it feel to just train and never enjoy the feeling of a packed house in a crucial match? Seems pointless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 The echo said yesterday that ABK is looking to force his way back into the reckoning with us so hope that's true. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, OttawaSaint said: Football is utterly broken. £17M on an 8th keeper?!? How on earth are we expected to compete? We're not, it's why FFP was put in place and people like Cortese were SO against it. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 28 minutes ago, Wurzel said: Not only that, why are 6 of the 8 even bothering to join them?. Unless they're going to be all played in rotation there's 6 keepers getting paid to stay at home gardening at the weekends Chelsea Flower Show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Maggie May said: This is the absolute crux of it. We’re not living in a Football Manager simulation. We’re still having to clear up the train wreck of our last Premier League season. Spending huge money on, quite frankly, dross, and paying off two managers. The more I think of it, the more miraculous promotion last season feels. I dread to think the predicament we’d be in if we were kicking off in the Championship again this weekend. Completely agree. It's so odd that Martin got so much shit last season because we had a Premier League squad and should be absolutely storming the Championship, and yet this year when we have strengthened we now have a Championship quality squad that will definitely get relegated. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 18 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said: The echo said yesterday that ABK is looking to force his way back into the reckoning with us so hope that's true. Oh no, please no. Let him go and let someone else cope with his glass shoulders and let us get some cash to spend on someone who will actually play. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 16 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Completely agree. It's so odd that Martin got so much shit last season because we had a Premier League squad and should be absolutely storming the Championship, and yet this year when we have strengthened we now have a Championship quality squad that will definitely get relegated. Have we strengthened, really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsaint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Insane amount 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 5 minutes ago, Jack said: Have we strengthened, really? It's debatable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ft8saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: A grotesque misrepresentation of what was said. That's the sort of thing you see on twitter from teenage saints fans crying into their capri suns. I'm not on X I reported what the article said. But I'm sure the experts/oracles will tell the world differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 2 hours ago, UpweySaint said: Just found £60million for Pedro Neto too. Their accountants must be bloody marvellous. Sure they’ll just sell some of their own assets to themselves again or something equally as dodgy. Watch this space for Chelsea FC selling lunar real estate to the totally unrelated Chalsee CF … Bugger me they’re an unlikely club! Hoping it all goes horribly wrong with Maresca and the yanks asset values plummet through the floor. Neto is class. God knows where he fits in though with that squad lol Got to admire Chelsea for exposing how easily the FFP/PSR system can be binged around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ft8saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I must say it's really getting tedious arguing with fellow fans over opinions...... as the club still haven't done anything more in a week so we have no actual facts to discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 37 minutes ago, Wsaint said: Insane amount 65M for a player with 29 Premier League goals in 134 Premier League appearances is madness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ft8saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 Could we buy or loan Kepa Arrizabalaga from chelsea. If he was good enough for real Madrid last season on loan for 1m 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 50 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said: I'm not on X I reported what the article said. But I'm sure the experts/oracles will tell the world differently Firstly you literally said it was from "Alfie on X". Seconly which article from the echo said it's about loans now? There's no article that says that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 6 hours ago, MarkSFC said: I'm not one who trusts Alfie House information. My impression is that he is happy to believe the negative and conservative approach around Saints and despite his working connection to the club doesn't "really" know much. If you compare his reporting to Adam Blackmores, there is a difference of general opinion. Clearly we haven't got 100s of millions to spend but I also do not believe it's as date as he is trying to make out. He's a fan I believe and our fan base in large parts is extremely negative and pessimistic and I do not think it's helps. He is in that mindset I believe. And that's fine but I take most of what he says with a big pinch of salt, not because I don't want to hear it, but because I think he makes assumptions based on his general feeling. There is no sense in gambling on stating up by not spending / buying 2-3 more definite improvements to the squad on top of what I think has been a good window overall so far. The cost of relegation will almost certainly be more than the say 70-80m outlay still required (less sales don't forget) to get more quality to have a much better chance of survival. Dragon is quoted (I believe) as saying they wish to make us a top 8 competitive team. This needs clever investment over 3 or 4 seasons. Not spending now puts that massively at risk. Dragan did say that and mentioned a 10 year plan. They also said they’d didn’t expect this season to be as perilous as many would expect. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Jack said: Have we strengthened, really? Yes, how have we not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 32 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said: Could we buy or loan Kepa Arrizabalaga from chelsea. If he was good enough for real Madrid last season on loan for 1m £145k per week wages 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ft8saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 The article is here https://www.southamptonfc.news/news/southampton-given-damning-financial-update-amid-fan-concerns/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Yes, how have we not? In the sense that our team isn’t really any better. Our strongest XI is basically last year’s team, minus Che and KWP, plus Taylor, Suga and BBD. I couldn’t in all good conscience call that stronger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: In the sense that our team isn’t really any better. Our strongest XI is basically last year’s team, minus Che and KWP, plus Taylor, Suga and BBD. I couldn’t in all good conscience call that stronger. Have to agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: In the sense that our team isn’t really any better. Our strongest XI is basically last year’s team, minus Che and KWP, plus Taylor, Suga and BBD. I couldn’t in all good conscience call that stronger. That 1-1 comparison depends heavily on how Suga adapts to the Prem to be fair. I think Taylor is an improvement on Manning and BBD an improvement on Che. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouSaint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 5 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: £145k per week wages That seems good value when you consider what we paid in transfer fee plus wages for the League One standard Bazunu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: In the sense that our team isn’t really any better. Our strongest XI is basically last year’s team, minus Che and KWP, plus Taylor, Suga and BBD. I couldn’t in all good conscience call that stronger. BBD feels like an upgrade on Che. Time will tell regarding Sugar. But I agree generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: In the sense that our team isn’t really any better. Our strongest XI is basically last year’s team, minus Che and KWP, plus Taylor, Suga and BBD. I couldn’t in all good conscience call that stronger. But we haven't lost KWP yet, and if/when we do are likely to sign an upgrade in midfield. So if we looked at the squad now, and who we have, I think we are slightly stronger than last year. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Wsaint said: Insane amount The Boscombe ultras will be furiously rattling their zimmers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said: But we haven't lost KWP yet, and if/when we do are likely to sign an upgrade in midfield. So if we looked at the squad now, and who we have, I think we are slightly stronger than last year. 'Slightly' won't cut it in the Premier League. I get that the transfer window is still open but I'm not expecting any exciting signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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