Saint86 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 4 hours ago, ally_uk said: I'm the same I think 25 Million+ is a bit steep I'd rather the money go on a decent striker If we do end up doing that he's got to deliver straight away and make it last across the whole season. Its a big ask for someone who's never played at this level 🤷♂️. Thats not to write him off, but its risky. Maybe i've just been burned by too many Sulemana, Carillo, Boufal, Lemina style signings over the years. We've certainly spent fortunes on lots of players that never really paid back the investment. Edited July 31 by Saint86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I see Aberdeen are asking for more than 6m for Miovski. Not sure any interest from us but name been banded around here a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 22 minutes ago, Appy said: Juventus bidding for Koopmeiners of Atalanta, could be a knock on for O’Riley. Very much so. Atalanta want €60m. Juve offering €45M. Koopmeiners is highly regarded in Italy as a CM ( obviously more than Soule or Charlie for example who the first they sold and Charlie gave us back) and O’Riley considered a good - but not their only - option as an alternative. That Atalanta only gone to c €17M smacks of not seriously bidding too much until they get the Koopmeiners deal sorted. We could still get him. But it’s tight and odds against imo right now. Unless our negotiators get inspired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 O'Riley might be great but it seems a bit emperors new clothes to me. He had a very good season last year in a weak league with a team that dominate it. The two season before that weren't great and before that only played at league one level. He's only played twice for Denmark and didn't make their Euro squad. He might be great but he seems to only be a "WE HAVE TO SIGN HIM" because everyone is saying we have to 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, Turkish said: O'Riley might be great but it seems a bit emperors new clothes to me. He had a very good season last year in a weak league with a team that dominate it. The two season before that weren't great and before that only played at league one level. He's only played twice for Denmark and didn't make their Euro squad. He might be great but he seems to only be a "WE HAVE TO SIGN HIM" because everyone is saying we have to Yeah, I just wonder how much time the club will spend on him before moving on to other targets? I've never seen him play so I dont know how good he is but players from Scotland are very much a hit or miss, we've had some great ones but weve had some rubbish as well......Neil McCann anyone ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 26 minutes ago, Turkish said: O'Riley might be great but it seems a bit emperors new clothes to me. He had a very good season last year in a weak league with a team that dominate it. The two season before that weren't great and before that only played at league one level. He's only played twice for Denmark and didn't make their Euro squad. He might be great but he seems to only be a "WE HAVE TO SIGN HIM" because everyone is saying we have to Can anyone confirm if he is better than Stuart Armstrong? If we'd broken the transfer record on him rather than spend £8m or whatever it was, I wonder how he would have been regarded by Saints fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth_kenobi Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Chez said: Can anyone confirm if he is better than Stuart Armstrong? If we'd broken the transfer record on him rather than spend £8m or whatever it was, I wonder how he would have been regarded by Saints fans. People I work with in Edinburgh reckon he is best player in SPL 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Whenever a player touted as our big/main signing of any particular window seems to drag on (for weeks after first link) I think it rarely happens. It's clear he has other suitors, and as I've stated already, I believe if we are to get him it needs to/will happen this week. The reason I think that is that this delay indicates that one party at leastis not settled on the idea; either we are limiting our bid (which indicates we don't hold him "that highly or important"), or he is not completely sold on the idea (which is clearly not great), or Celtic are playing hardball (which will just drag it out further and probably create a bidding war). All this delay tends to dampen the excitement of this potential. We certainly need a player of a higher level in the attacking midfield area, and if MO proves to be we shall see but I cant help thinking we have moved on already (caveat, it happens today or tomorrow🤣🤣). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 25 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: Yeah, I just wonder how much time the club will spend on him before moving on to other targets? I've never seen him play so I dont know how good he is but players from Scotland are very much a hit or miss, we've had some great ones but weve had some rubbish as well......Neil McCann anyone ? A £25m McCant. Just imagine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 What happened to Tammy Abrahams did he sign for anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, kenneth_kenobi said: People I work with in Edinburgh reckon he is best player in SPL That does not mean he is better than S Armstrong is/was!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, charliemiller said: What happened to Tammy Abrahams did he sign for anyone Now he would be awesome!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, charliemiller said: What happened to Tammy Abrahams did he sign for anyone Linked with Everton yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, kenneth_kenobi said: People I work with in Edinburgh reckon he is best player in SPL doesn't doesn't count for a great deal... He looks really handy from the highlights and stats, but he didn't make it into the Denmark squad for the latest euros.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 56 minutes ago, Saint86 said: If we do end up doing that he's got to deliver straight away and make it last across the whole season. Its a big ask for someone who's never played at this level 🤷♂️. Thats not to right him off, but its risky. Maybe i've just been burned by too many Sulemana, Carillo, Boufal, Lemina style signings over the years. We've certainly spent fortunes on lots of players that never really paid back the investment. …or we failed to get the best out of them beacuse our coaches were crap? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I read somewhere yesterday that an premier league club has bid 27m for Broja. Assume Wolves as i know they were interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 20 million doesn't get you a lot nowadays as we found out with sullemana and tall paul 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, charliemiller said: What happened to Tammy Abrahams did he sign for anyone SSN report Quote Tammy Abraham is open to signing for AC Milan from Roma this summer, according to Sky in Italy. The former Chelsea striker is a top target for new Milan head coach Paulo Fonseca. Roma and Milan have not had any contact yet for the 26-year-old. Abraham suffered an ACL injury in June 2023 and only made his return to action in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERMUDASAINT Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 https://www.givemesport.com/english-clubs-highest-transfer-income-last-10-years/ English Clubs' Transfer Income Since 2015/16 Position Club Transfer Income (£) 1 Chelsea £1.15bn 2 Manchester City £849.7m 3 Liverpool £586.4m 4 Everton £546.8m 5 Leicester City £505.6m 6 Southampton £494.6m 7 Tottenham Hotspur £455.9m 8 Aston Villa £448.4m 9 Manchester United £409.7m 10 West Ham United £408m 11 Wolves £394.5m 12 Brighton £382.7m 13 Arsenal £342.4m 14 Watford £318m 15 Newcastle United £297.8m 16 Leeds United £259.1m 17 Nottingham Forest £219.5m 18 Norwich City £209.4m 19 Brentford £196m 20 Burnley £190.9m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V.Johnathan.Wilson Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 37 minutes ago, Mr X said: 20 million doesn't get you a lot nowadays as we found out with sullemana and tall paul Depends on how you use the 20, I would be surprised if there weren't any quality players suited to ball playing systems who's contracts are running out in 2025 or 2026. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West end Saints Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, MarkSFC said: That does not mean he is better than S Armstrong is/was!!! I know I can sound like I'm against Stu, but I just can't see how he is seen as a high threshold for an attacking midfielder. Seemed a good guy, some good direct runs and a few good goals but often lazy, light weight and made poor decisions. How often in prem did he give the ball away in our half, then just watch as we had to defend? Last few seasons in prem 2 goals, 1 assist 2 goals, 0 assists 4 goals, 5 assists 5 goals, 3 assists 3 goals, 2 assists Last season in championship he did a bit better with 5 goals, but Smallbone managed 6. I am optimistic that if we went with Smallbone in that role he could manage a couple of goals and assists. If we spend on a new AM it will be because they are confident he is a significant upgrade on Stu. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Loekkegaard Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 On 30/07/2024 at 07:03, HKsaint said: I don’t mind we take back JWP our legend at a half of the price that we received. West Ham is a small club with small supporters. Never liked their wannabe attitude and arrogance. And the 44 years I supported Saints the Hammers have been much less present in the best league of the country than Saints have. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Celtic want €29Million for Matt O'Riley. Atalanta are putting together a €25Million bid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said: …or we failed to get the best out of them because our coaches were crap? How many have gone on to achieve great things after leaving saints? Boufal went on to an average spell at Angers and is now rotting in the middle east Carillo was garbage before we signed him and has maintained that level ever since including a spell in China Lemina has by contrast actually done ok, bit of a jouneyman but has played at a decent level, hardly set the world on fire and still seems to have the same crappy attitude that plagued his time at Saints. He frustrates me massively because I think if he had his head screwed on properly he would be playing for a top 6 team but he just doesn't want it enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I don't think we'll be getting O'Riley unless we can get some money together from sales, which could be the delay after the purchases of THB, Downes, BBD etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Celtic want €29Million for Matt O'Riley. Atalanta are putting together a €25Million bid. Has any creditable journo commented on us actually making any bids? Only mention of us that I’ve seen has been from the likes of The Sun, nothing reputable. Romano has seemed to only suggest Atalanta and that he wants to move there. I think the deal is too pricey for us (certainly until we’ve sold some of the dross / KWP) and we’re not in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLondon Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 We move on from MOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, Saint_Ash said: I don't think we'll be getting O'Riley unless we can get some money together from sales, which could be the delay after the purchases of THB, Downes, BBD etc. I wonder if we'd expected to have money for KWP by now to fund it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Chez said: Can anyone confirm if he is better than Stuart Armstrong? If we'd broken the transfer record on him rather than spend £8m or whatever it was, I wonder how he would have been regarded by Saints fans. I watched him a lot last season quality player. Celtic fans called him a younger fitter Stuart Armstrong. When he was left out of Denmark squad there was a major social media campaign in Denmark even threatening the Danish manager. He is very much Stuart Armsromgish but better. I don’t get the "of course he looks good he plays in the Scottish Premier" Van Dyke did fine. Even Steve Davis did a job for us good leader on the pitch he was past his best when we signed him as well. O’Riley a great player and really grounded his parents act as his agents. I’ve even seen interviews with them. They seem decent people, they live in London and I’m confident they wouldn’t want him moving out of the UK Just an aside his dads in a rock band https://videocelts.com/2022/12/blogs/latest-news/watch-matt-orileys-rock-and-roll-dad-launch-his-christmas-video/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 14 hours ago, ecuk268 said: We've missed out on Charlie Austin.😃 He's signed for AFC Totton. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24487125.former-saints-striker-austin-completes-medical-ahead-afc-totton/ Ha ha, I watched a handful of Totton games last season. I thought Austin was older than he is, he's 34. Scored 14 from 46 appearances with Swindon last season. I've just Youtubed a few of his Swindon goals and he can still get about a bit. I wonder what they're paying him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 We are so tinpot .. type of. Club that would go into Poundland and offer 40p for stuff . Just give Celtic the damn 25 mil they want and stop messing around.. whilst we sod about Atalanta have now had time to get more money 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: We are so tinpot .. type of. Club that would go into Poundland and offer 40p for stuff . Just give Celtic the damn 25 mil they want and stop messing around.. whilst we sod about Atalanta have now had time to get more money If only it was that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southner Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, waylander said: SSN report Roma this summer, according to Sky in Italy. The former Chelsea striker is a top target for new Milan head coach Paulo Fonseca. Roma and Milan have not had any contact yet for the 26-year-old. Abraham suffered an ACL injury in June 2023 and only made his return to action in April. Everton interested too, apparently. Edited July 31 by Southner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, goodymatt said: If only it was that simple. Of course it is! Just chuck £25M at them.............what could be simpler? Obviously you know nothing about the clubs financial position..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 54 minutes ago, manji said: I watched him a lot last season quality player. Celtic fans called him a younger fitter Stuart Armstrong. When he was left out of Denmark squad there was a major social media campaign in Denmark even threatening the Danish manager. He is very much Stuart Armsromgish but better. I don’t get the "of course he looks good he plays in the Scottish Premier" Van Dyke did fine. Even Steve Davis did a job for us good leader on the pitch he was past his best when we signed him as well. O’Riley a great player and really grounded his parents act as his agents. I’ve even seen interviews with them. They seem decent people, they live in London and I’m confident they wouldn’t want him moving out of the UK Just an aside his dads in a rock band https://videocelts.com/2022/12/blogs/latest-news/watch-matt-orileys-rock-and-roll-dad-launch-his-christmas-video/ I had a sniffy approach to the Scottish League. But our own successful recruitment from there, put that to bed. Also, the recruitment there is working hard to unearth even cheaper gems than perhaps even we would have gone for. They can't afford to make too many mistakes, and we get the benefit of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) Brentford have lost their new £32m striker Igor Thiago to a knee injury, not expected to play until 2025 following surgery Edited July 31 by CSA96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southner Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Brentford have lost their new £32m striker Igor Thiago to a knee injury, not expected to play until 2025 following surgery Puts Brentford in a bit of a pickle, especially with Toney willing to run down his contract. May try and get Toney sold now to fund one or two replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) Sports mole says Arsenal are now amenable to a short term loan for Ramsdale because nobody wants to pay the silly money they want - with Forest interested- as well as Saints. Given that Ramsdale would only leave to be #1 and that AM would be a good back up to Raya at Arsenal and can play PBF a bit too - so Arteta would be reassured - and from player perspective AM would prob get medals at end of season plus likely get to play a lot of cup matches including CL, I don't see why we could not suggest swop our first choice for their second choice for a year and see how it goes. Is relying on Lumley and Lis as back up goalies that much of negative compared to the big positive of acquiring a direct upgrade top keeper? Essentially just wages differential for a year to pay. It’s unlikely but not an impossible line of approach for our negotiators. Edited July 31 by gio1saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Back Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, West end Saints said: I know I can sound like I'm against Stu, but I just can't see how he is seen as a high threshold for an attacking midfielder. Seemed a good guy, some good direct runs and a few good goals but often lazy, light weight and made poor decisions. How often in prem did he give the ball away in our half, then just watch as we had to defend? Last few seasons in prem 2 goals, 1 assist 2 goals, 0 assists 4 goals, 5 assists 5 goals, 3 assists 3 goals, 2 assists Last season in championship he did a bit better with 5 goals, but Smallbone managed 6. I am optimistic that if we went with Smallbone in that role he could manage a couple of goals and assists. If we spend on a new AM it will be because they are confident he is a significant upgrade on Stu. What Stu offered us that perhaps doesn't show in his stats was like an injection of energy and go forward. He was happy to receive the ball on the turn in a tight space in midfield and then run with it, effectively getting the whole team back on the front foot. I know nothing of O'Riley but hope whoever we get brings that. Charley Alcaraz is the nearest we have to that skill set. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth_kenobi Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, The Left Back said: What Stu offered us that perhaps doesn't show in his stats was like an injection of energy and go forward. He was happy to receive the ball on the turn in a tight space in midfield and then run with it, effectively getting the whole team back on the front foot. I know nothing of O'Riley but hope whoever we get brings that. Charley Alcaraz is the nearest we have to that skill set. Dibling a bit like that too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 16 hours ago, ecuk268 said: We've missed out on Charlie Austin.😃 He's signed for AFC Totton. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24487125.former-saints-striker-austin-completes-medical-ahead-afc-totton/ I for one am sure that 'modest Charlie' will be a great lad to have around a non-league dressing room, and absolutely won't act like a complete knob giving it the big one and decimating any team spirit they may have 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, The Left Back said: What Stu offered us that perhaps doesn't show in his stats was like an injection of energy and go forward. He was happy to receive the ball on the turn in a tight space in midfield and then run with it, effectively getting the whole team back on the front foot. I know nothing of O'Riley but hope whoever we get brings that. Charley Alcaraz is the nearest we have to that skill set. I was just about to write the same, but you have put it better than I could. Stu's value to the team was always much greater than the bald stats and is why he will be a loss to the team going forwards. I'm sure we went something like 2 seasons when the only games we won, were when Stu was in the team. and his ability to break lines was key to this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Think it's fair to say hopes fading for O'riley now- if there were any real hopes. Hope we have a decent alternative lined up. Would be best to get them in quickly so we can hit the ground running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said: We are so tinpot .. type of. Club that would go into Poundland and offer 40p for stuff . Just give Celtic the damn 25 mil they want and stop messing around.. whilst we sod about Atalanta have now had time to get more money Are you the Chancellor of the Exchequer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 hours ago, West end Saints said: I know I can sound like I'm against Stu, but I just can't see how he is seen as a high threshold for an attacking midfielder. Seemed a good guy, some good direct runs and a few good goals but often lazy, light weight and made poor decisions. How often in prem did he give the ball away in our half, then just watch as we had to defend? Last few seasons in prem 2 goals, 1 assist 2 goals, 0 assists 4 goals, 5 assists 5 goals, 3 assists 3 goals, 2 assists Last season in championship he did a bit better with 5 goals, but Smallbone managed 6. I am optimistic that if we went with Smallbone in that role he could manage a couple of goals and assists. If we spend on a new AM it will be because they are confident he is a significant upgrade on Stu. Still pretty good value for £8m no? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Back Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 33 minutes ago, kenneth_kenobi said: Dibling a bit like that too I hope so, but haven't seen enough. Dibling reminds me most of a young Le Tiss - another one of those would be very handy this season 29 minutes ago, lambtiss said: I was just about to write the same, but you have put it better than I could. Stu's value to the team was always much greater than the bald stats and is why he will be a loss to the team going forwards. I'm sure we went something like 2 seasons when the only games we won, were when Stu was in the team. and his ability to break lines was key to this. And he had great hair 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said: We are so tinpot .. type of. Club that would go into Poundland and offer 40p for stuff . Just give Celtic the damn 25 mil they want and stop messing around.. whilst we sod about Atalanta have now had time to get more money We're you involved in covid PPE contract negotiations on behalf of the Conservative Party? 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 2 hours ago, manji said: I watched him a lot last season quality player. Celtic fans called him a younger fitter Stuart Armstrong. When he was left out of Denmark squad there was a major social media campaign in Denmark even threatening the Danish manager. He is very much Stuart Armsromgish but better. I don’t get the "of course he looks good he plays in the Scottish Premier" Van Dyke did fine. Even Steve Davis did a job for us good leader on the pitch he was past his best when we signed him as well. O’Riley a great player and really grounded his parents act as his agents. I’ve even seen interviews with them. They seem decent people, they live in London and I’m confident they wouldn’t want him moving out of the UK Just an aside his dads in a rock band https://videocelts.com/2022/12/blogs/latest-news/watch-matt-orileys-rock-and-roll-dad-launch-his-christmas-video/ His dad's song is giving me bradley walsh vibes, read the article and his parents moved with him to Glasgow cos the music scene is good there. "When Matt moved to Celtic, we decided to move to Glasgow too. The music scene here is just like it was in the 1980s in London, and it just gets you going again" Couple of years old but a really good scouting report on him https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/matt-o-riley-at-celtic-202223-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics Edited July 31 by Convict Colony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Mulgrew Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 20 minutes ago, The Left Back said: And he had great hair So did I! But I would not be any good this season. 🙂 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 39 minutes ago, OldNick said: Are you the Ex Chancellor of the Exchequer Fixed it for you 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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