The Realist Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 On the topic of the youngsters, perhaps the best option (in hindsight) was to have a couple on the bench, especially for home games and bring them on when we were 3 up (which we were a few times last season). You can bring on the more experienced players from the bench in close games. Too late now as I don't expect us to be 3 up in many, if any games this coming season. That said, they probabaly aren't good enough. Too many have not set the world alight when on loan in Leagues 1 or 2, so are hardly going to do much for us. At that point, we should just sell and move on. I still am more baffled by our strategy on the GK front. Why did we sign Lis? Lumley? Surely we should sign players who can compete for the no.1 position or are young and have potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 SR, Dragon, have stated their desire to be a top 8 contending club if I remember correctly. This means they MUST invest in some quality players. Too many clubs are now purchasing players for 20, 30, 40m, clubs who we might consider outside the top 6. The reality is, they either step up or we will just go straight down or certainly not last more than a couple of seasons. I expect 3 more players at least in the 20-30m bracket to sign this window regardless of what many people seem to think is a very limited budget. These guys aren't actually srltupid!!! As for the youngsters conversations, of course ideally we keep them and they develop into PL class players but if the clubs judgement is that they won't or the money is too much to refuse (and helps current scenario) then so be it. I don't care what name represent Saints, I just want those names to be good enough to help us compete every season in the top 10/12 without any potential worries for relegation - but this is getting harder every single season - hence the need to buy some quality now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 31 minutes ago, Viking Saint said: The whole team looked out if its depth that night, but tbf it was a clusterfuck of a selection, ie Perraud at CB Can anyone find the match thread from that night? Would love to see the early Russball hate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 9 hours ago, Kristian Loekkegaard said: Ok 👍 Having perceived O'Riley as a good attacking player with great athleticism and a good eye for goals and assists on a high level for some time, I think he could be the right target for us as an upgrade on Armstrong (who is probably soon a Brentford player?) - but do we have enough financial ressources left for getting in other important new players , at least one good striker, one keeper, a winger and one more LB , if we spend 25+ million pounds on Matt O'Riley? Saints owe money to other clubs still on the players we are looking to ship out i.e. tall Paul, ABK but if we sold them both as well as Mara and Sulemanna that would recoup around £45m I reckon so I'd like to think there was enough in the kitty to get CM and a striker at least 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Apparently Ipswich keen on Sammy Szmodics from Blackburn at £7m. Thought he would be the type of player in the right price range for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 24 minutes ago, Maggie May said: Can anyone find the match thread from that night? Would love to see the early Russball hate. I seem to recall that game wasn’t on tv or on stream so, outside of those who travelled up, not many got to see it. Pretty sure most of the vitriol was reserved for the players rather than manager though, it was more of a case of “at least Martin will have learned how bad the reserves are”. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 10 hours ago, Chez said: I was going to post similar. Charkes really didn't impress me at all last season, so that second holding midfield role needs filling unless he makes decent strides. Conte obviously rates Gilmore. Brighton seemed to get their act together when he got in the side, so I am slightly surprised they are taking offers (maybe they are not). I wondered if he was a better option than Reed. That said, they want £15m for him, so Napoli will need to find a few bob. Would be a terrific signing for us. Very doubtful we'll go for him though. Shame. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 36 minutes ago, Maggie May said: Can anyone find the match thread from that night? Would love to see the early Russball hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 24 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: Saints owe money to other clubs still on the players we are looking to ship out i.e. tall Paul, ABK but if we sold them both as well as Mara and Sulemanna that would recoup around £45m I reckon so I'd like to think there was enough in the kitty to get CM and a striker at least 20 mil max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiknsmack Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) . Edited July 23 by chiknsmack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 3 minutes ago, chiknsmack said: . With that amount of information and input this could mean you are part of the Circle of Trust 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 12 hours ago, hypochondriac said: I'm holding a secret hope for it if we actually are bidding. I think we must have some inside info to be pushing for it. Have any of us seen him play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLondon Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 A very good friend of mine is mates with someone who works high up at the club. My pal asked him how the transfers were going? The response was, "Ha, which one mate? It's fucking mental, so so many deals on the go" I know the angry lot of you will reply and say "Transfer window is busy - shocker" but I'm just posting because some people on here saying our squad is barely better than last season's championship team. Well, clearly the club knows this and are doing their utmost to bring in (and shift out) talent. I have full confidence that the team will be looking a lot stronger come the end of the window - we're in safe hands 👀 17 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 10 minutes ago, SaintLondon said: A very good friend of mine is mates with someone who works high up at the club. My pal asked him how the transfers were going? The response was, "Ha, which one mate? It's fucking mental, so so many deals on the go" I know the angry lot of you will reply and say "Transfer window is busy - shocker" but I'm just posting because some people on here saying our squad is barely better than last season's championship team. Well, clearly the club knows this and are doing their utmost to bring in (and shift out) talent. I have full confidence that the team will be looking a lot stronger come the end of the window - we're in safe hands 👀 Transfer window is busy - shocker. Our squad is barely better than last season's championship team. I hope the club know this. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Sounds like this one does have legs, perhaps even as a loan. Trouble is with the loan is if he does well, would Palace want to keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, goodymatt said: Sounds like this one does have legs, perhaps even as a loan. Trouble is with the loan is if he does well, would Palace want to keep him? With a loan and option can they keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Would all depend on the conditions on the option, presumably 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 29 minutes ago, SaintLondon said: A very good friend of mine is mates with someone who works high up at the club. My pal asked him how the transfers were going? The response was, "Ha, which one mate? It's fucking mental, so so many deals on the go" I know the angry lot of you will reply and say "Transfer window is busy - shocker" but I'm just posting because some people on here saying our squad is barely better than last season's championship team. Well, clearly the club knows this and are doing their utmost to bring in (and shift out) talent. I have full confidence that the team will be looking a lot stronger come the end of the window - we're in safe hands 👀 Interesting input. Hopefully the priority is a striker as well as a midfielder although I could see KWP playing on the right side of a midfield four on occasions if he stays. Presumably transfer activity includes outgoings as well as potential inbound players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 40 minutes ago, SaintLondon said: A very good friend of mine is mates with someone who works high up at the club. My pal asked him how the transfers were going? The response was, "Ha, which one mate? It's fucking mental, so so many deals on the go" I know the angry lot of you will reply and say "Transfer window is busy - shocker" but I'm just posting because some people on here saying our squad is barely better than last season's championship team. Well, clearly the club knows this and are doing their utmost to bring in (and shift out) talent. I have full confidence that the team will be looking a lot stronger come the end of the window - we're in safe hands 👀 There seems to be a lot of panic on this site about needing new players in almost every position. The squad has been strengthened a lot already and there are rumours of more. We look well equipped, but please get us a goalkeeper of repute, not a young hopeful. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: With a loan and option can they keep him? Yes we can send him back if it does work out. Unlike THB where we had an obligation to buy him if we went up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: Yes we can send him back if it does work out. Unlike THB where we had an obligation to buy him if we went up No I meant if he is good and we want him, can Palace refuse to sell if we have an option to buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Yes we can send him back if it does work out. Unlike THB where we had an obligation to buy him if we went up I think the question being raised was: could Palace decide to keep him if he has a great season and we want to exercise our option to buy? I don't think they can, but I believe the player himself could refuse the permanent move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said: I think the question being raised was: could Palace decide to keep him if he has a great season and we want to exercise our option to buy? I don't think they can, but I believe the player himself could refuse the permanent move. 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: No I meant if he is good and we want him, can Palace refuse to sell if we have an option to buy? Sorry Hypo i misunderstood. I think Sheaf is correct though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, goodymatt said: Sounds like this one does have legs, perhaps even as a loan. Trouble is with the loan is if he does well, would Palace want to keep him? Absolute total waste of a loan space. We need to strengthen in other areas first. This makes absolutely no sense at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Would assume this has knock-on effects for Rak-Sakyi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Absolute total waste of a loan space. We need to strengthen in other areas first. This makes absolutely no sense at all. This sounds like almost word for word what some people said about Ryan Fraser. How does it not make sense to sign an exciting and direct right winger when we have a grand total of zero senior right wingers in the squad at the moment? Sulemana and Edozie both prefer playing from the left and I wouldn't expect both of those to still be here when the window shuts too, as presumably Kamaldeen is heading out the door Palace obviously rate him but the player is pushing his way to Saints, we get to loan him now and avoid payment for 12 months, when presumably we would like to make it permanent but aren't binded into doing so if, for any reason, it doesn't go as JRS and Saints hope Edited July 23 by CSA96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Just now, CSA96 said: we have a grand total of zero senior right wingers in the squad at the moment Adam Armstrong played the vast majority of last season there and was a lot more effective there than he was as a central striker. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Adam Armstrong played the vast majority of last season there and was a lot more effective there than he was as a central striker. Adam Armstrong is not a winger, MLG. If you genuinely think he is a winger then I don't really know what else to say Edited July 23 by CSA96 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Just now, CSA96 said: Adam Armstrong is not a winger, MLG He was extremely effective playing on the right wing for the vast majority of last season in the 433 formation. He was not playing centrally for the vast majority of the season. So last season that made him an effective and productive... winger. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 5 minutes ago, CSA96 said: This sounds like almost word for word what some people said about Ryan Fraser. How does it not make sense to sign an exciting and direct right winger when we have a grand total of zero senior right wingers in the squad at the moment? Sulemana and Edozie both prefer playing from the left and I wouldn't expect both of those to still be here when the window shuts too, as presumably Kamaldeen is heading out the door Palace obviously rate him but the player is pushing his way to Saints, we get to loan him now and avoid payment for 12 months, when presumably we would like to make it permanent but aren't binded into doing so if, for any reason, it doesn't go as JRS and Saints hope Palace think he needs a loan for a season at a championship club. If they thought he was ready for the premier league then they wouldn't be buying Sarr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Just now, revolution saint said: Palace think he needs a loan for a season at a championship club. If they thought he was ready for the premier league then they wouldn't be buying Sarr. I think it's more Palace thinking that he needs a loan at a club they aren't going to be in competition with. Which is why they prefer to send him outside the PL. They wanted him involved last season and clearly he and Martin think he is PL ready. They have to go and get Sarr or another bigger name because they lost Olise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He was extremely effective playing on the right wing for the vast majority of last season in the 433 formation. He was not playing centrally for the vast majority of the season. So last season that made him an effective and productive... winger. He wasn't playing in the wide areas though, he was coming infield From watching the games, the majority of the tactical movement up front was that Adams would hustle the centre halves and come deep to draw space open and Armstrong surged inside from wide areas If we look at where he was scoring his goals from, they were all in central, traditional 'striker' positions. He was not cutting in and curling the ball in from the flank (bar the rare occasion) and/or doing the other orthodox things you'd expect from a winger. He wasn't taking his man on, delivering from wide areas, bringing width to the team etc. So it makes total sense that Saints would want to add that variance to the squad and have a natural winger Edited July 23 by CSA96 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-southampton-set-sights-on-signing-brandon-thomas-asante/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, Toadhall Saint said: https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-southampton-set-sights-on-signing-brandon-thomas-asante/ No, no, no. Southampton are plotting a move for West Brom striker Brandon Thomas-Asante, sources have told Football Insider. The Saints have turned their attention to the prolific striker as they work on signing a replacement for Torino-bound Che Adams. 11 in 39 in the Championship last season and 7 in 33 the season before. How is that being dressed up as 'prolific' here? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, CSA96 said: I think it's more Palace thinking that he needs a loan at a club they aren't going to be in competition with. Which is why they prefer to send him outside the PL. They wanted him involved last season and clearly he and Martin think he is PL ready. They have to go and get Sarr or another bigger name because they lost Olise I think if palace thought he was ready for the premier league then they would keep him this season. They did want him involved last season and although injuries didn't help they've obviously concluded he still isn't quite ready yet which is why they they want a championship loan. From the little I've seen and Palace fan I spoke to he probably could be a decent player in the future but the problem is we are better off right now signing and loaning players that are more likely to make a big difference this season. It's all about the context of other signings - I've got no problem if we satisfy the needs of the first team and have him as an option to gradually integrate then that's fine. If we're expecting him to be starting 11 material when his own club (who see him everyday) don't then that's probably not the smartest move we could make. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Just now, revolution saint said: I think if palace thought he was ready for the premier league then they would keep him this season. They did want him involved last season and although injuries didn't help they've obviously concluded he still isn't quite ready yet which is why they they want a championship loan. From the little I've seen and Palace fan I spoke to he probably could be a decent player in the future but the problem is we are better off right now signing and loaning players that are more likely to make a big difference this season. It's all about the context of other signings - I've got no problem if we satisfy the needs of the first team and have him as an option to gradually integrate then that's fine. If we're expecting him to be starting 11 material when his own club (who see him everyday) don't then that's probably not the smartest move we could make. Fair point, it's a reasonable argument. I guess Martin and the player obviously believe he is ready now or is very, very near to being ready with some more game exposure. Clubs do get it wrong at times when they hold players back and then they go elsewhere and their trajectory rapidly rises, so let's hope if he comes here then it's one of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 17 minutes ago, CSA96 said: This sounds like almost word for word what some people said about Ryan Fraser. How does it not make sense to sign an exciting and direct right winger when we have a grand total of zero senior right wingers in the squad at the moment? Sulemana and Edozie both prefer playing from the left and I wouldn't expect both of those to still be here when the window shuts too, as presumably Kamaldeen is heading out the door Palace obviously rate him but the player is pushing his way to Saints, we get to loan him now and avoid payment for 12 months, when presumably we would like to make it permanent but aren't binded into doing so if, for any reason, it doesn't go as JRS and Saints hope I didn't have a problem with us getting Fraser in. Have you seen this lad play? How do you know he is exicting and direct? If Palace rate him so highly why are they letting him leave? They are likely to lose both their wingers this summer, yet are prepared to let this lad leave and spend big on another player. Our track record for signing wide players has been awful over the past few seasons, this one if it happens, has all the hallmarks of another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 4 minutes ago, CSA96 said: No, no, no. Southampton are plotting a move for West Brom striker Brandon Thomas-Asante, sources have told Football Insider. The Saints have turned their attention to the prolific striker as they work on signing a replacement for Torino-bound Che Adams. 11 in 39 in the Championship last season and 7 in 33 the season before. How is that being dressed up as 'prolific' here? Had a look on a West brom forum. Consensus is he isn't great. A hard worker who runs a lot but poor finishing. Very similar to Adams in that respect. Has a worse goal scoring record than Adams but tbf is in a worse time. Not overly exciting but if we get Bereton Diaz, might work as backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) I know we all need to show patience and everything, but these linked players are all proper Pound Shop stuff, it’s hilarious. I’m surprised this year’s kit manufacturer isn’t Pep and Co. Edited July 23 by Midfield_General 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 16 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-southampton-set-sights-on-signing-brandon-thomas-asante/ Fuck me, if that’s the quality of striker we’re serious about we might as well give up now! 🤣 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Relevo in Spain saying Saints and Villarreal are accelerating negotiations for Ben Brereton-Diaz. He likes the idea of coming here, Villarreal are happy to let him go back to England as a loan-to-buy or an outright buy now. Ipswich also interested but sounds like Saints is preferential to the player and Villarreal 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) . Edited July 23 by Midfield_General Whoops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 33 minutes ago, CSA96 said: This sounds like almost word for word what some people said about Ryan Fraser. How does it not make sense to sign an exciting and direct right winger when we have a grand total of zero senior right wingers in the squad at the moment? Sulemana and Edozie both prefer playing from the left and I wouldn't expect both of those to still be here when the window shuts too, as presumably Kamaldeen is heading out the door Palace obviously rate him but the player is pushing his way to Saints, we get to loan him now and avoid payment for 12 months, when presumably we would like to make it permanent but aren't binded into doing so if, for any reason, it doesn't go as JRS and Saints hope I guess the argument is we have an exciting young RW already, why block his pathway by signing another young unproven winger, whilst simultaneously wasting a domestic loan space for another position we desperately need strengthening. I have no issue btw in signing someone better than SAA, but it should really be someone ready to start every week in the Prem, not another SAA equivalent. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 3 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Relevo in Spain saying Saints and Villarreal are accelerating negotiations for Ben Brereton-Diaz. He likes the idea of coming here, Villarreal are happy to let him go back to England as a loan-to-buy or an outright buy now. Ipswich also interested but sounds like Saints is preferential to the player and Villarreal Loan to buy would be decent for ffp. Looks good to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Relevo in Spain saying Saints and Villarreal are accelerating negotiations for Ben Brereton-Diaz. He likes the idea of coming here, Villarreal are happy to let him go back to England as a loan-to-buy or an outright buy now. Ipswich also interested but sounds like Saints is preferential to the player and Villarreal Good scoring rate in Prem at Sheffield last season so ‘proven’ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-southampton-set-sights-on-signing-brandon-thomas-asante/ Scored 11 goals in 39 last season. People will laugh, but i actually thought he was a good player for WBA. He played in a very defensive WBA side but was always a threat when we played them. Very powerful player that holds the ball up well, carries it, and stretches defences. With the way saints play he'll offer the physical presence that Che Adams offered, but is more mobile, and would be a good foil for Armstrong/smallbone/alcaraz/sulemana/edozie/fraser running off him if introduced late on or as a squad player. Given he's out of contract this summer, we'll be picking him up on the cheap - so as a minimum its more shrewd business to add depth and players for a worst case return to the championship. You'd like to think that this is a like for like che adams replacement, i.e. not the first choice prem level striker we're after! Edited July 23 by Saint86 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 4 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Fuck me, if that’s the quality of striker we’re serious about we might as well give up now! 🤣 Just as well football insider 247 are a reputable, spot on source. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 9 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: I know we all need to show patience and everything, but these linked players are all proper Pound Shop stuff, it’s hilarious. I’m surprised this year’s kit manufacturer isn’t Pep and Co. Surprised we aren’t going for BOGOF deals to be honest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 8 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: Surprised we aren’t going for BOGOF deals to be honest Tbf we did try that before with Delgado and Kleber Chala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 23 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Relevo in Spain saying Saints and Villarreal are accelerating negotiations for Ben Brereton-Diaz. He likes the idea of coming here, Villarreal are happy to let him go back to England as a loan-to-buy or an outright buy now. Ipswich also interested but sounds like Saints is preferential to the player and Villarreal This would be decent. Always felt he could be good for us. And really hope we beat Ipswich to another player. They're annoying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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