Danbert Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Available players who I am confident will be able to do a job in the prem or who has previously done a job: Sugawara THB Bednarek Taylor Downes Players who may do a job but not sure: Edwards Armstrong Lallana Stewart Aribo So quite a few unknowns and midfield and attack is the main thing that needs improving. There might be a couple who surprise us though. A little harsh on Smallbone, but it's very clear we need to strengthen the forward line, especially if the wee man isn't joining 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 minute ago, Danbert said: A little harsh on Smallbone, but it's very clear we need to strengthen the forward line, especially if the wee man isn't joining Alcaraz can also do it in the Premier League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 20 minutes ago, Danbert said: A little harsh on Smallbone, but it's very clear we need to strengthen the forward line, especially if the wee man isn't joining I think he's a nice lad just don't think he's prem quality. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 19 minutes ago, Danbert said: Alcaraz can also do it in the Premier League True. I'd probably put him down as a maybe in Martins system though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 10 hours ago, grezz said: Steward’s inquiry. Shilton had a big name which I personally thought was undeserved but which I accept gave us something. Boruc, eccentric as he was sometimes was better keeper for us in my opinion. Niemi - best we ever had Shilton’s big name undeserved! Good grief - he was the world’s best keeper for years. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Let's not kid ourselves without a decent creative outlet or striker we will be playing Championship football next season... Stating the obvious I know! But we really need to stop being clever, put some money on the table and go and sign two marquee signings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) https://x.com/solentsport/status/1814178363755438451?s=46&t=7raSKCMt6LV8RJ1C2d39WQ Update from Martin on signings so far, Che’s contract, the people running the recruitment and the upcoming pre season trip to Spain. In summary, sounds like everyone is involved in the transfers. Ball in Che’s court but not expecting him to sign any time soon. Strategy is for hungry players that are desperate to play for us as well as in the PL. Edited July 19 by goodymatt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 7 minutes ago, goodymatt said: https://x.com/solentsport/status/1814178363755438451?s=46&t=7raSKCMt6LV8RJ1C2d39WQ Update from Martin on signings so far, Che’s contract, the people running the recruitment and the upcoming pre season trip to Spain. In summary, sounds like everyone is involved in the transfers. Ball in Che’s court but not expecting him to sign any time soon. Strategy is for hungry players that are desperate to play for us as well as in the PL. Surely if the strategy is for hungry players that are desperate to play for us, why are we letting Che bide his time. Notwithstanding he has demonstrated with us he isnt good enough, and clearly not hungry enough to play for us either. Literally wtf are we doing - been a very good start to the pre season with signings, really hoping we move on from him. Be gutted if he signs a new deal. The way I look at it is if Che was at the end of his contract with someone like, say Wolves, having performed the way he has done, would we be interested in signing him - surely nobody at the club would think it was a good move? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Che has got a fucking nerve making us hang on while he tries to get a move elsewhere. We’re the ones doing him a favour, on account that he is fucking garbage. We should withdraw his contract offer and move on. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, Chez said: Last three centre forward signings Onuachu, Mara and Stewart. and Carillo before that…..😧 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said: and Carillo before that…..😧 Wouldn't Ings have been before him? The best one we've made for many years for sure, although that was totally up for debate when we had to turn the loan permanent. But it all worked out well in the end, £20m well spent for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Wouldn't Ings have been before him? The best one we've made for many years for sure, although that was totally up for debate when we had to turn the loan permanent. But it all worked out well in the end, £20m well spent for sure. Yep. £20m negotiated about 5 years ago is probably £35-40m today in football inflation terms, and probably the budget we need to get a proper striker capable of giving us a fighting chance of staying up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 18 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: Che has got a fucking nerve making us hang on while he tries to get a move elsewhere. We’re the ones doing him a favour, on account that he is fucking garbage. We should withdraw his contract offer and move on. Agreed. We should withdraw our interest in Che on the important grounds that he is, actually, shit 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 If we're thinking of either getting a new striker and keeping Che, or getting two new strikers if Che leaves then I can kind of see the point in leaving the door open for him. He's not great, he'll probably get you around 8 goals but you do know what you're getting with him, knows the system and won't disrupt things. Renewing his contract would be cheaper than say getting Brereton-Diaz in and there's no guarantee he'd be any better. A free like Iheancho would be similar cost wise but comes with more uncertainty (could be better than Che, could be worse). If renewing his contract saves money for another striker then maybe it's worth it? Personally I think it's best for all concerned if Che goes elsewhere and I think both club and player could do with parting ways but from a financial aspect keeping him as a squad player might not be the worst thing. Obviously if he's asking stupid money and expects to be the main man then we definitely need to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 17 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said: and Carillo before that…..😧 been bloody grim hasnt it. Still theres time enough for Ings to also be mentioned aswell, and can AA find the composure in front of goal in the prem ,hope so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 11 hours ago, grezz said: Steward’s inquiry. Shilton had a big name which I personally thought was undeserved but which I accept gave us something. Boruc, eccentric as he was sometimes was better keeper for us in my opinion. Niemi - best we ever had Shilton undeserved big name - Christ on a bike! He was still the country's top keeper aged 41 at Italia 90, four years after leaving Saints. Throughout his entire career he was also a good deal better than Ray Clemence (75 caps), who was picked mainly because he was at Liverpool, whilst PS always played for 'unfashionable' clubs. Arguably Shilton deserved to achieve 180 England caps between 1970 and 1990. He was also the defensive pivot of the best Saints side of all time. Niemi was a very good athletic keeper, but there isn't really a viable comparison if you saw both play. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 36 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: Che has got a fucking nerve making us hang on while he tries to get a move elsewhere. We’re the ones doing him a favour, on account that he is fucking garbage. We should withdraw his contract offer and move on. Business sense would be if hasn't turned us down then you leave it open but when/if a replacement is found at the right price Che will find that offer quickly withdrawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 31 minutes ago, egg said: Yep. £20m negotiated about 5 years ago is probably £35-40m today in football inflation terms, and probably the budget we need to get a proper striker capable of giving us a fighting chance of staying up. Be serious. We aren't spending 40 million on a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Be serious. We aren't spending 40 million on a striker. I didn't say we were. I said that's probably the budget we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 6 minutes ago, egg said: I didn't say we were. I said that's probably the budget we need. Well then I disagree. There's no reason at all to believe that we can't spend substantially less than that on a striker or two and manage to survive this year. I still think it's likely we will go down but we don't need to spend that much on one player to prevent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Che: Both sides keeping their options open, in an amicable way. Seems sensible. If we struggle to get players in, then we can always return to our offer, if we need to. If we do get players in, then fine too. Che's a known quantity, and a free agent. If he wasn't our player, we'd be looking at him. From Che's side, he has an offer on the table, and can look to see if better deals are available. If ours has any deadlines on it, we'll get an early decision. If not, his agent has the window to get a better deal than ours. If he signs for us a bit later, he's still going to drop seamlessly into the squad, having already been here under Martin. Both sides being on what seems to be good terms, finding the best solution for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said: Che has got a fucking nerve making us hang on while he tries to get a move elsewhere. We’re the ones doing him a favour, on account that he is fucking garbage. We should withdraw his contract offer and move on. Agreed. I suspect that his dismal performance for Scotland in the Euro’s has dampened interest. I’m surprised that saints are still open to him renewing his contract when he is a mediocre forward at best and obviously doesn’t want to be here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Well then I disagree. There's no reason at all to believe that we can't spend substantially less than that on a striker or two and manage to survive this year. I still think it's likely we will go down but we don't need to spend that much on one player to prevent it. The lower budget (in real terms) strikers have all been an absolute disaster. We've bought cheap ISH a few times and it's bitten us. You get what you pay for. We need quality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 If I’ve got a chance to earn life changing money somewhere else even though I have a decent offer on the table I’m 100% gonna look at it. Wanting or not wanting to be somewhere would not be my primary consideration. It might be for us Saints supporters but let’s get real- Che is trying to get the most ££ he can now he’s on a free and it’s unlikely Saints are going to offering him more or even close than many other comparable clubs including Saudi as a wage and or a sign in fee. Not got an issue with that. Wether he’s good enough yes I have my doubts and prefer we get someone new- but this waiting game- totally as you’d expect., 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 5 minutes ago, egg said: The lower budget (in real terms) strikers have all been an absolute disaster. We've bought cheap ISH a few times and it's bitten us. You get what you pay for. We need quality. who is there we could get on loan? Callum Wilson maybe? Newcastle willing to let him leave but he's proven and would fit the way we play. Injury record questionable though. As i said before im a firm believer that strikers and glovesmen you need quality. You need a sold experienced spine, you can get away with a few young, hungry, guarenteed to improvers if you've got a strong spine and a few seasoned, quality players around them. Buy cheap you buy twice (or in our case 6 or 7 times) has never been more apt when it comes to key positions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Saint Billy said: Agreed. I suspect that his dismal performance for Scotland in the Euro’s has dampened interest. I’m surprised that saints are still open to him renewing his contract when he is a mediocre forward at best and obviously doesn’t want to be here. Totally agree........ however to play devils advocat if you look from the clubs point of view he has played Premier League before, he has scored a few goals in the league so unlike the unproven Stewart for instance they could make the case he is a Premier League striker (if you have a very very low bar). If the idea is he's back up, an off the bench option I can see why they are holding out, although persoanlly I wouldnt. But if they are viewing him still as the possible no.1 striker we are in the shite. Edited July 19 by beatlesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsaint Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) https://x.com/SouthamptonFC/status/1814238020029055120?t=A2peURjcvRK3utSpYWOizA&s=19 Arma contract renewal - confirmed Edited July 19 by Wsaint 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, egg said: Yep. £20m negotiated about 5 years ago is probably £35-40m today in football inflation terms, and probably the budget we need to get a proper striker capable of giving us a fighting chance of staying up. That transfer fee inflation is fine for the megaclubs who's income has also swelled, but we are like the common man on the street. The price of everything has skyrocketed, but income hasnt changed all that much. Our accounts show that the money just isn't there to fork out £40m for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 36 minutes ago, egg said: The lower budget (in real terms) strikers have all been an absolute disaster. We've bought cheap ISH a few times and it's bitten us. You get what you pay for. We need quality. In recent times there are quite a lot of higher budget strikers that have bitten clubs. Scammacca and Beto spring to mind. Villa spent how much on Ings? Did they get what they paid for. Very tough to find strikers that can play on their own and score a shed load of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 38 minutes ago, egg said: The lower budget (in real terms) strikers have all been an absolute disaster. We've bought cheap ISH a few times and it's bitten us. You get what you pay for. We need quality. I'm sorry I simply don't agree that we can't survive this year without dropping 40 million on a striker. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Wsaint said: https://x.com/SouthamptonFC/status/1814238020029055120?t=A2peURjcvRK3utSpYWOizA&s=19 Arma contract renewal - confirmed Great bit of business. Win lose or draw this season we know he'll put a shift in. Work ethic is unquestionable. If the worst happens and we go down, easily one of the best strikers in the championship. Hope he takes forward the confidence he earned from last season. 👏 Edited July 19 by Hopper 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Che is probably having a reality check. He's a reasonable striker who has shown he can bag 5+ goals in the Prem. He's a physical presence and remarkablely robust. He always gives his all, and personally I prefer him playing a little deeper. His assists are often better than his goal. He's an option for Saints and I suspect the contract reflects that. A back up plan if Stewart doesn't click. However I really hope the club don't waste money on Ings or Wilson. Both sick notes. Still like to see Paul Onuachu given a chance. Daft spending so much on him and not playing him. Probably on my own there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Just now, Hopper said: Great bit of business. Win lose or draw this season we know he'll put a shift in. Work ethic is unquestionable. If the worst happens and we go down, easily on of the best strikers in the championship. Hope he takes forward the confidence he earned from last season. 👏 Some strikers take a while to find the premier league groove even though they are clearly the best in the Championship, hopefully Arma's confidence from last year combined with his previous experience and hopefully the side playing well will see him deliver. If we could get 10-15 league goals out of him that would go a long way to keeping us up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 30 minutes ago, Turkish said: who is there we could get on loan? Callum Wilson maybe? Newcastle willing to let him leave but he's proven and would fit the way we play. Injury record questionable though. As i said before im a firm believer that strikers and glovesmen you need quality. You need a sold experienced spine, you can get away with a few young, hungry, guarenteed to improvers if you've got a strong spine and a few seasoned, quality players around them. Buy cheap you buy twice (or in our case 6 or 7 times) has never been more apt when it comes to key positions. Gets the likes of Wilson and Ramsdale on loan and we look a completely different outfit. Scary wages, but without the transfer fee risk at least. Not sure either would Wana drop to our level though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 minutes ago, Hopper said: Great bit of business. Win lose or draw this season we know he'll put a shift in. Work ethic is unquestionable. If the worst happens and we go down, easily one of the best strikers in the championship. Hope he takes forward the confidence he earned from last season. 👏 I'm hoping he just feels like he belongs this time around, is played in that right wing position and just cracks it. His work rate has been great, but we need his ruthlessness in front of goal to continue otherwise we won't stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsaint Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Happy with that, was saying the other day, hopefully a year in the championship playing in our system and building up his confidence again will mean he can really have a go at it in the prem. Coming in to that shit show of a team and situation I'm not surprised he didn't perform as wed all hoped first time around. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 5 minutes ago, macca155 said: Che is probably having a reality check. He's a reasonable striker who has shown he can bag 5+ goals in the Prem. He's a physical presence and remarkablely robust. He always gives his all, and personally I prefer him playing a little deeper. His assists are often better than his goal. He's an option for Saints and I suspect the contract reflects that. A back up plan if Stewart doesn't click. However I really hope the club don't waste money on Ings or Wilson. Both sick notes. Still like to see Paul Onuachu given a chance. Daft spending so much on him and not playing him. Probably on my own there. He didn't get the right service, but equally he looked unable to control a football at times. Terrible decision to sign him. He will be joining trabzonspor on a permanent de in the very near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Never forget... 2 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: True. I'd probably put him down as a maybe in Martins system though. If we're gonna move towards a 352, I'd love to see him played as one of the 2 and given a free role to float. Alcaraz and a fit stewart could be a real handful for any side next season imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, Turkish said: who is there we could get on loan? Callum Wilson maybe? Newcastle willing to let him leave but he's proven and would fit the way we play. Injury record questionable though. As i said before im a firm believer that strikers and glovesmen you need quality. You need a sold experienced spine, you can get away with a few young, hungry, guarenteed to improvers if you've got a strong spine and a few seasoned, quality players around them. Buy cheap you buy twice (or in our case 6 or 7 times) has never been more apt when it comes to key positions. Agreed. If we can't pay proper money for a proper striker, we need to go all out on a big loan and suck up the wages and loan fee. Whatever else we do to strengthen our team is a waste of time if we ain't investing in goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Wilson apparently has a price tag of £15 Million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) Was bored and looking for south american young players type lists and the amount of highly rated players that Brighton have got from these lists is pretty damn decent, fair play to them. Then i remembered what about Santiago Gimenez from Feyenoord here, really good centre forward played for them for a couple of years, mexican international, 23 yrs old. Reminds me of another feyenoord legend Pelle just a bit faster and less handsome, out of our price range on this valuation but this is the eredevise, offer them 25m + 10% sell on. Edited July 19 by Convict Colony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 18 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Wilson apparently has a price tag of £15 Million. Oof. That might be a stumbling block to a move. I wonder who is paying that when they can get him for nothing next year? He's 32 (33 in Feb) and on a massive wage (probably bigger than anything we pay right now) until 2025. His injury record (days out, number if injuries, games missed) would be very concerning for any suitor: 23/24 156 days 5 28 22/23 45 days 2 9 21/22 173 days 2 30 20/21 99 days 4 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 25 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Wilson apparently has a price tag of £15 Million. That is affordable. His wage demands may not be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, Mattio said: Never forget... There's been a few, remember someone made a Mr Men book for him, Mr Sitter This was awful Boro home last season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 7 minutes ago, waylander said: That is affordable. His wage demands may not be Affordable yes but when you consider his injury record and age, I really don't think it's a 'safe bet' as people think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, Dman said: If we're gonna move towards a 352, I'd love to see him played as one of the 2 and given a free role to float. Alcaraz and a fit stewart could be a real handful for any side next season imo. Where does AA fit in to that equation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, a1ex2001 said: If we could get 10-15 league goals out of him It’ll be a fucking miracle. If him & Che fucking Adams play regularly, the outcome will be exactly the friggin same as last time they “performed “ in this league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 5 minutes ago, Chez said: Where does AA fit in to that equation? Hopefully he doesn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 13 hours ago, LeG said: Bednarek is considering his options. Same as Che and KWP. Bednarek in valuation terms owes us nothing. I think we bought him as an U21 international for £5m ?. We've had our use of him. As far as I'm concerned if somebody wants to pay over the top, fine. If we need another year out of him we can afford to let his contract run out next year. I don't know what our negotiations about a new contract are currently if any. I think the club should keep him for his experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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