Daft Kerplunk Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: So assume this is the situation so far: Keepers....McCarthy (& Stone!!)/Lumley/Baz RB.............Sugawara/Bree LB.............Taylor/Manning DM............Downes (?)/Charles AM............Smallbone/Aribo/Lallana CD............THB/Stephens/Wood CD............Bednerak (if he stays)/ Edwards RW...........Armstrong CF.............Stewart/Mara LW.............Edioze So based on the above, a squad of 21 plus three youngsters ie SAA,/Meghoma/Dibling if not sent out on loan along with Bragg.. plus Larios. Uncertainties include KWP/ABK/Tall Paul/Sulemana/Alcaraz. In that squad we would only have one naturally left footed player (at left back) so suggest this need to be addressed. Assuming all the five uncertainties go, apart from ABK their positions need to be replaced. Possibly the French lad in as a midfield option and possibly Fraser to add width (although I would only see the Wee Man as a squad player) The desperate need is for a decent central striker, as we all know. Btw whatever happened to the Brentford midfield man? That team will struggle. Hoping for more signings on some of the key areas. GK and CF being massive priorities 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 17 minutes ago, The Kraken said: As a backup he’s maybe worth a shout, but a 33 year old who has been playing in the Spanish second division doesn’t strike me as a difference maker. He scored roughly 1 in 2 for Espanyol last season but for Barca (a team you'd have thought most seniors over the age of 70 could score goals for) he only managed 5 goals in 44 appearances and 6 in 24 for Leganes before Barca. Ignoring his latest season for Espanyol where he was nearly a 1 goal every 2 game player, he has typically been a 1 goal in every 4-5 matches player. I still think we should be going for Brereton-Diaz. I'd love to try and make a statement signing for Callum Wilson though if there was any chance of that but I think a) wages and b) injury record may be the issue there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 8 minutes ago, The Kraken said: As a backup he’s maybe worth a shout, but a 33 year old who has been playing in the Spanish second division doesn’t strike me as a difference maker. We need a first choice - not a back up. We have Ross (who knows if he'll adapt to the Prem after so long out, let alone whether he'll be fit long term), AA (who is an option but a) plays better wider and b) didn't show much on his last Prem stint), Mara (who offers us very little) and Ballard (assume he'll go out on loan). Back ups we have - it's a first choice we need, even if Braithwaite is a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said: That team will struggle. Hoping for more signings on some of the key areas. GK and CF being massive priorities Our spine needs a lot of work imo. Downes helps but I still think we’re missing a decent keeper, a good experienced CB, another CM and a proven striker. Don’t think we’ll get half of those though. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: Another gk is a must. I'd quite like another defender who could play across the back but certainly a lb unless Martin think Meghoma or the other one are up to it. Midfield we need a Smallbone replacement or at least competition and we need a decent attacking midfield player and a striker or two. Another five or six signings for me once Downes is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 21 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said: That team will struggle. Hoping for more signings on some of the key areas. GK and CF being massive priorities It's literally the middle of July, why do people keep posting stating XI's for Newcastle. The team will look completely different in 6 weeks time 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSuess1979 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Did anyone hear talk sport only caught a snippet, re Flynn Downes agreed £18m ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 7 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Selling Onuachu, kwp and maybe Alcaraz or Sulemana should fund some of that and free up wages. The gk and one of the midfielders could be a loan so only another 3 or 4 permenent signings in reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 35 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: So assume this is the situation so far: Keepers....McCarthy (& Stone!!)/Lumley/Baz RB.............Sugawara/Bree LB.............Taylor/Manning DM............Downes (?)/Charles AM............Smallbone/Aribo/Lallana CD............THB/Stephens/Wood CD............Bednerak (if he stays)/ Edwards RW...........Armstrong CF.............Stewart/Mara LW.............Edioze So based on the above, a squad of 21 plus three youngsters ie SAA,/Meghoma/Dibling if not sent out on loan along with Bragg.. plus Larios. Uncertainties include KWP/ABK/Tall Paul/Sulemana/Alcaraz. In that squad we would only have one naturally left footed player (at left back) so suggest this need to be addressed. Assuming all the five uncertainties go, apart from ABK their positions need to be replaced. Possibly the French lad in as a midfield option and possibly Fraser to add width (although I would only see the Wee Man as a squad player) The desperate need is for a decent central striker, as we all know. Btw whatever happened to the Brentford midfield man? can'r see Fraser in that list and thats still highly likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 West Ham have just finished their first friendly in Austria, different 11 each half and no Downes so further confirmation it’s happening me thinks……Sky aren’t always correct after all !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Getting Flynn Downes this early is huge, big signing. Our team fell apart when he wasn't in the eleven last season. I feared with him being a West Ham fan that it may drag on a bit, but Martin's obviously a huge draw for him and he must have really enjoyed his time on loan here. Note to Burnley on how to get a deal done for a loan star. Now, a goalkeeper, Downes backup, playmaker and a proven scorer in Europe like Pelle would be ideal. We need the striker equivalent of Sugawara, whoever that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: West Ham have just finished their first friendly in Austria, different 11 each half and no Downes so further confirmation it’s happening me thinks……Sky aren’t always correct after all !! nice goal by Danny Ings, direct freekick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Yep. Maybe the one from Coventry out of contract? Is he an AM? Or the Sunderland player though isn't he a winger? O'Hare's the one from Coventry. He's signing for Sheffield United. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 18 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Our spine needs a lot of work imo. Downes helps but I still think we’re missing a decent keeper, a good experienced CB, another CM and a proven striker. Don’t think we’ll get half of those though. Ramsdale, Matip, Rodriguez, BBD. That should do it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) Absolutely brilliant news about agreeing an £18m deal for Flynn Downes 😊 he is so pivotal to how we play. Edited July 15 by davefizzy14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 We badly need a Downes alternative in case he can't play and we can do well without him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/teams/mens-team 1 July 2024 DF Taylor Harwood-Bellis Manchester City Undisclosed [1][2] 1 July 2024 MF Adam Lallana Brighton & Hove Albion Free transfer [3] 1 July 2024 DF Charlie Taylor Burnley Free transfer [4] 3 July 2024 DF Ronnie Edwards Peterborough United Undisclosed [5] 5 July 2024 DF Nathan Wood Swansea City Undisclosed [6] 14 July 2024 DF Yukinari Sugawara AZ Alkmaar Undisclosed [7] 12 March 2025 FW Rento Takaoka Nissho Gakuen High School Undisclosed [8] Squad list has now been updated on the OS with squad numbers removed. Interestingly, Che is still on there at the moment. Looks as if Lallana has taken the number 10, Edwards 12 and Wood 15 based on the training pictures from today Edited July 15 by Saint Scott 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: We badly need a Downes alternative in case he can't play and we can do well without him. I think we need someone to play alongside him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, The Kraken said: I think we need someone to play alongside him. Have we sold any this summer to help balance the books, sorry I haven't kept up its so confusing sorting fact from rumour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 6 minutes ago, Saint Scott said: Looks as if Lallana has taken the number 10 and Wood 15 based on the training pictures from today Didn’t see the Lallana one but Smallbone 8, Charles 24, Stephens 5, Adarma 9. And no number for Sulemana. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Dellyears said: Have we sold any this summer to help balance the books, sorry I haven't kept up its so confusing sorting fact from rumour Perraud, Lyanco, DCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsarmy Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 11 minutes ago, Saint Scott said: Squad list has now been updated on the OS with squad numbers removed. Interestingly, Che is still on there at the moment. Looks as if Lallana has taken the number 10, Edwards 12 and Wood 15 based on the training pictures from today Where did you see the lallana one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, Saintsarmy said: Where did you see the lallana one? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, Saint Scott said: Poor chap, he looks so old! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 hours ago, EBS1980 said: Imagine we have agreed on a fee for KWP too then, as ultimately the discussion is over the amount to be paid to go with these two. Irrelevant on the individual prices and wouldn’t be surprised if both higher than expected to benefit FFP Agree. Assuming KWP is going to West Ham, and there are no sell on fees liable for either player, it makes sense for us to say KWP's value was £25m-£30m and their figure for Downes to also be on the `high' side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 11 minutes ago, The Kraken said: I think we need someone to play alongside him. Yes I said earlier we need a Smallbone replacement but we also need a Downes backup because we were stuffed last year when he didn't play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 7 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Perraud, Lyanco, DCC. is that all? How much did we get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Dellyears said: is that all? How much did we get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Hopefully the fee includes some cooking and food hygiene courses 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 hours ago, CSA96 said: From The Athletic's correspondent for West Ham, Roshane Thomas: Southampton have agreed a deal worth up to £18million with West Ham United for midfielder Flynn Downes. I'm sure the initial amount is similar to the £12m they paid and the rest is due if we win the league in the next few years. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dellyears said: is that all? How much did we get? The club know Tall Paul will be going. Sulemena, KWP, ABK and possibly Alcaraz all likely to go too. Edited July 15 by Harry_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: The club know Tall Paul will be going. Sulemena, KWP, ABK and possibly Alcaraz all likely to go too. You could have said that last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) I think we are doing pretty well in the transfer market so far. I also think some people seem to have missed some significant signings we have made or have just decided that Everton or Forest cast-offs would be better than up-and-coming talent!! Of course, I accept that we have got to ensure our squad has some balance between experience and youth but let's be realistic about what the club are going to be able to achieve! I think our defence is pretty sorted now - Edwards looks like a real talent and could form a great future partnership with Harwood-Bellis. With Wood also signed in addition to Bednarek, Stephens and Bella-Kotchap, we have now got 6 first team centre backs on the books. We are not going to sign another!! At right back we now have Sugawara in addition to Walker-Peters and Bree; at left back we have Taylor, Manning, Meghoma and Larios. So, unless Kyle leaves and it is felt we need better back-up than Bree at right back then I can't see us signing another full back either. In other positions I can definitely see that we need to sign more and I am fairly confident that we will... We definitely need to improve at least two of the various central midfield positions in addition to signing Downes. There seems to be some confusion about what these roles are. I know it is not as simple as this, but it can be kind of simplified as: CDM - Central Defensive Midfield - the role that has down the last few years been filled by Wanyama, Romeu, Lavia and last season by Downes and Charles. Often club will play two players in a cross between this role and the CM role, though one is usually tasked with being the main player to sit in front of the defence. CM - Central Midfield - slightly more advanced than the CDM role - sometimes covering that role, but also advancing up-field more. Sometimes described as box-to-box, depending on the particular tactics employed by a manager. This is the role that has been filled by Hojbjerg and then Ward-Prowse (until he was forced to drop into the CDM role when Romeu was sold). Last season it was Smallbone who filled the role, but I feel we have never adequately provided cover for this role. When Alcaraz was first bought, Hassenhuttl seemed to want him in that role, but it became clear that he was better in the AM role. Aribo filled in here last year, but he is not really a CM either. We definitely need to strengthen in this position. AM - Attacking Midfield - In the centre, but in a more attacking role - the role filled by Stu Armstrong, Alcaraz, Aribo, Lallana and sometimes by Adam Armstrong. It is a role that can also be filled by some of our strikers and wingers. Unless we sell Alcaraz I cant see us buying anyone else in this role, but who knows? Beyond those positions I think we have a fair few wingers or attacking wide midfielders (Adam Armstrong, Edozie, Sulemana, Amo-Ameyaw and Dibling) so, other than Fraser it remains to be seen if we can afford to strengthen in these areas. Nevertheless, some of those players are quite young and inexperienced and there have been a few links to others so maybe we will. It is certainly an area where we have spent lots yet have struggled to recruit players of sufficient quality. Finally, there is (understandably) a lot of clamour for a centre forward. We currently have Stewart, Che (if he stays), Arma (if played here rather than on the wing), Mara and Ballard. Mara is poor and is another who would benefit from playing as an AM rather than as a striker. Ballard could be amazing, but sadly I don't think Martin feels he is ready for first team selection yet. So, assuming Che is leaving and Arma is played on the wing, it would seem likely that we need to strengthen here. However, it is a position where we have struggled to recruit players of suitable quality. As for goalkeeper, with Bazunu out for most of the season, we have McCarthy, Lumley and Lis, but presumably Lis will go back out on loan so we will have to sign someone - even if only on loan. If the links to Ramsdale are true that would be amazing! I doubt they are though! Edited July 15 by SaintJackoInHurworth Forgot keepers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsarmy Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 23 minutes ago, Saint Scott said: Do you have a link bud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, SNSUN said: We need a first choice - not a back up. We have Ross (who knows if he'll adapt to the Prem after so long out, let alone whether he'll be fit long term), AA (who is an option but a) plays better wider and b) didn't show much on his last Prem stint), Mara (who offers us very little) and Ballard (assume he'll go out on loan). Back ups we have - it's a first choice we need, even if Braithwaite is a free agent. Whereas, I am assuming that Ballard will stay, compete - and stay here to properly and professionally nurse the injury back to full fitness - and eventually play a part for the first team. I predict 5 EPL goals by the end of the season. 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Saintsarmy said: Do you have a link bud? https://www.facebook.com/share/p/euuf4GkKbUFcgXYp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, sfc4prem said: Poor chap, he looks so old! No free Nivea any more. More interesting really is that the squad pictures don't include Alcaraz (or any of the other players we loaned out last season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, VectisSaint said: No free Nivea any more. More interesting really is that the squad pictures don't include Alcaraz (or any of the other players we loaned out last season). Alcaraz is in the photos on the OS as is ABK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, richardc said: can'r see Fraser in that list and thats still highly likely He's mentioned!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjurwi Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 hours ago, Ball boy said: I can see the pattern. We’re only signing players with red and white flags. So Matt O’Riley definitely still in contention and I guess Mamardashvili will have to do in goal. 😊 Maby a Danish attacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 7 hours ago, DT said: I wonder if this partially explains why his goalkeeper mate Ramsdale coming to us might be a possibility (re rumours yesterday) Flynn Downes and David Brooks are too separate players. David Brooks is Aaron Ramsdale’s mate. 👍🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, The Kraken said: Alcaraz is in the photos on the OS as is ABK. Are they? They don't appear in my browser. Have you refreshed the page? Checked on Laptop and phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 I can see Onuachu going for a cut price £5m or something stupid, just to shift him off the wage book. I’ve seen a few on Twitter claiming that Sulemana is gonna cook this season. This is the same Sulemana that scored a whopping 0 goals in the Championship last season. 😂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 On 14/07/2024 at 19:40, FarehamSaintJames said: This entirely, it’ll go into overdrive next week when most people break up for the summer holidays. Sulemana couldn't cook in a 5* gourmet kitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 6 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: Are they? They don't appear in my browser. Have you refreshed the page? Checked on Laptop and phone. This is where I viewed them. https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/gallery/gallery-training-in-the-rain-15-07-2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Echo have also previously reported ABK is back. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24446349.bella-kotchap-back-southampton-pre-season-psv-loan/ ABK on Getty images. https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/armel-bella-kotchap-of-southampton-fc-attends-a-pre-season-news-photo/2161727154 Also Alacaraz on Getty images. https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/carlos-alcaraz-of-southampton-fc-attends-a-pre-season-news-photo/2161727221 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Barring us signing someone unambiguously great in attacking midfield, I hope we keep Alcaraz. We're not going to dominate possession in the PL, so having someone who can carry the ball forward at pace through the middle is going to be vital. If we're slow as well as static next year, we're going to get killed. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNewForest Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 18 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: I can see Onuachu going for a cut price £5m or something stupid, just to shift him off the wage book. I’ve seen a few on Twitter claiming that Sulemana is gonna cook this season. This is the same Sulemana that scored a whopping 0 goals in the Championship last season. 😂 Yeah, I really don't know what people are in Sulemana, I really don't. £20m and did absolutely fuck all in the Championship. Complete waste of time and money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 22 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said: Yeah, I really don't know what people are in Sulemana, I really don't. £20m and did absolutely fuck all in the Championship. Complete waste of time and money. He's not even skillful. Has pace but does nothing with it 9/10. Hopefully a Saudi club will come in and give us a decent fee for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 41 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: He's not even skillful. Has pace but does nothing with it 9/10. Hopefully a Saudi club will come in and give us a decent fee for him. Another " squad filler " failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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