Summer Transfer Window 2024

[Guest]

Sounds like he’s out of favour for the time being. I’d say that’s pretty damning for him.

RM said that players have built up a chance but they’ve very quickly blown any good will they had.

Big opportunities for a number of players.

Ryan Manning, who many saw as RM’s non-biological son, doesn’t even make matchday squads at the moment. 

[SherborneSaint]

There look to be rumours of bids having been accepted for KS. Anyone know anything more about this? He is in the same boat as Mara for me. Potential is there, but it is not happening at Southampton 

[obelisk]

Work permit problem for Sulemana apparently.

Edited 2 September, 2024 by obelisk
Screwed up

[saintant]

27 minutes ago, SherborneSaint said:

There look to be rumours of bids having been accepted for KS. Anyone know anything more about this? He is in the same boat as Mara for me. Potential is there, but it is not happening at Southampton 

Not heard anything. Where are you getting this from?

[S-Clarke]

7 minutes ago, saintant said:

Not heard anything. Where are you getting this from?

Seen it pop up on some twitter feeds. We accepted a loan from Benfica last week, but his work permit was denied so that fell through.

Apparently we've now accepted a loan bid from Galatasaray, with an option to purchase. But he doesn't want to move to Turkey so the club are trying to convince him.

[northam soul]

Couldn’t get a work permit for Benicia loan now Galatasaray have offered loan.

[gio1saints]

Fingers crossed he agrees to go play some football out there. 

[Saint Matty 76]

Sulemana to Ajax, suggested that move at the start of the window as a way to hopefully increase his value like Minteh.

Says a buy option is included, no idea what it'd be but hopefully around £20m in case he explodes.

[S-Clarke]

Yep, now Ajax. Hopefully a realistic fee on the buy option and not like Charly's at Juventus.

Thanks for the two goals against Liverpool in that nothing game I guess.

Edited 2 September, 2024 by S-Clarke

[gio1saints]

https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1830611087466828063?s=46&t=l5Q4mkKSxz5qdVtggXqogw

Fab Romano is reliable so must be true - but conditional on an outgoing to Saudi so it’s not a done deal..

Edited 2 September, 2024 by gio1saints

[Barsiem]

Ajax would be great!  Although there's a risk he won't get much playing time there like ABK last year

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

I assume the work permit refusal is a Portuguese thing (not sure how these things work) rather than a European thing if not an issue in the Netherlands or Turkey.

I guess Tall Paul will likely follow out the door last minute too.

[SaintsFan86]

Good news to hear Kamaldeen Is heading out.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, obelisk said:

Work permit problem for Sulemana apparently.

He’s shy of work? When did they find this out?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Good for all parties currently, to see them move. Ideally a few others can go out on loan to get some game time. Edozie for example and one of Bree, Manning Larios.

[SNSUN]

Makes sense when we brought in BBD, Fraser and Cornet. (And so far have kept Edozie who I prefer anyway). Sulemana was always too raw for the money we paid for him. 

[josebaiw]

49 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Ajax would be great!  Although there's a risk he won't get much playing time there like ABK last year

I think he'd probably have better luck - mainly because Ajax are, in fact, not PSV where ABK was on loan. 

[Barsiem]

35 minutes ago, josebaiw said:

I think he'd probably have better luck - mainly because Ajax are, in fact, not PSV where ABK was on loan. 

Sheesh mate... Nowhere did I say he had been.  He was, however, loaned to a Dutch team and not played.  I think most people would have been able to infer that's what I was getting at

[saintant]

It's a real shame because Kamaldeen has the raw materials to be a top player. Maybe he just can't or won't learn the finer parts of the game so he's simply a speed merchant with nothing else in his locker. Mane was raw when we signed him but he was a quick learner and clearly hungry to succeed - I don't see that in Kamaldeen but maybe one day he'll prove most of us wrong and turn up playing scintillating football for a top side but I wouldn't bet on it.

[SaintsFan86]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Good for all parties currently, to see them move. Ideally a few others can go out on loan to get some game time. Edozie for example and one of Bree, Manning Larios.

Manning is definitely the most likely I'd imagine.

[SaintsFan86]

17 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Sheesh mate... Nowhere did I say he had been.  He was, however, loaned to a Dutch team and not played.  I think most people would have been able to infer that's what I was getting at

ABK didn't play because he was injured, That's the short of it.

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, Barsiem said:

Ajax would be great!  Although there's a risk he won't get much playing time there like ABK last year

Bella-Kotchap had a long term injury at PSV, that is why he didn't play much.

Edited 2 September, 2024 by Matthew Le God

[Gloucester Saint]

11 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

ABK didn't play because he was injured, That's the short of it.

Shoulder again wasn’t it?

[ErwinK1961]

4 hours ago, saintant said:

It's a real shame because Kamaldeen has the raw materials to be a top player. Maybe he just can't or won't learn the finer parts of the game so he's simply a speed merchant with nothing else in his locker. Mane was raw when we signed him but he was a quick learner and clearly hungry to succeed - I don't see that in Kamaldeen but maybe one day he'll prove most of us wrong and turn up playing scintillating football for a top side but I wouldn't bet on it.

The only raw material Kamaldeen has is pace. Not seen anything else yet to get excited about.

Mane, whilst being raw, had speed, skill and could finish - had a couple of excellent seasons in a respectable league before joining. There are light years between the two at the beginning of their saints careers.

Edited 2 September, 2024 by ErwinK1961

[Matthew Le God]

4 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

The only raw material Kamaldeen has is pace. Not seen anything yet else to get excited about.

Mane, whilst being raw, had speed, skill and could finish - had a couple of goals excellent seasons in a respectable league before joining. There are light years between the two at the beginning of their saints careers.

Sulemana this summer is still younger than Mane was when Mane joined Saints. Many wrote Mane off early on and yet he was older at that point than Sulemana is now!

It isn't just pace, Sulemana also has the ability to beat players at ease. The stats back that up. Consistency and the final ball let him down, but to write him off as purely pace doesn't hold up.

Also if he was as poor a player as many make out, it wouldn't be a team like Ajax signing him.

Edited 2 September, 2024 by Matthew Le God

[Give it to Ron]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Sulemana this summer is still younger than Mane was when Mane joined Saints. Many wrote Mane off early on and yet he was older at that point than Sulemana is now!

It isn't just pace, Sulemana also has the ability to beat players at ease. The stats back that up. Consistency and the final ball let him down, but to right him off as purely pace doesn't hold up.

Also if he was as poor a player as many make out, it wouldn't be a team like Ajax signing him.

You could see in Mane first few appearances there was something there.

I was at Arsenal away and he looked good in that game.

Sulemana has been given multiple chances and playing in the Dutch league doesnt mean he can hack it in the Prem or will when he returns.

A loan is good for all as he won’t get picked.

Edited 2 September, 2024 by Give it to Ron

[beatlesaint]

10 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Sulemana this summer is still younger than Mane was when Mane joined Saints. Many wrote Mane off early on and yet he was older at that point than Sulemana is now!

It isn't just pace, Sulemana also has the ability to beat players at ease. The stats back that up. Consistency and the final ball let him down, but to right him off as purely pace doesn't hold up.

Also if he was as poor a player as many make out, it wouldn't be a team like Ajax signing him.

He didn’t exactly shine in The Championship where he should have had 80% of those defenders on toast.

He should have made himself undroppable, but he either has an attitude problem or he’s all pace and nothing else.

No loss at all I’m afraid 

Edited 2 September, 2024 by beatlesaint

[Gloucester Saint]

19 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Sulemana this summer is still younger than Mane was when Mane joined Saints. Many wrote Mane off early on and yet he was older at that point than Sulemana is now!

It isn't just pace, Sulemana also has the ability to beat players at ease. The stats back that up. Consistency and the final ball let him down, but to right him off as purely pace doesn't hold up.

Also if he was as poor a player as many make out, it wouldn't be a team like Ajax signing him.

All of those things are true, and the Dutch league may help him stand out as the Danish did and I was surprised Celtic weren’t interested. He did OK last season but 25 appearances (with the serious hamstring injury), three assists and no goals, he’d have been looking for more. A £22m player at Champ level should be like a cheat code. He’d do OK in the PL but Fraser is a more reliable option with greater experience and a fit Cornet is significantly superior.

He’s a £10-15m player in the current market, someone with more football experience with Rasmus (not difficult admittedly as that’s practically everyone on here) wouldn’t have paid £22m.

Edited 2 September, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[Barsiem]

42 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

ABK didn't play because he was injured, That's the short of it.

He missed a lot yes, but was still available for selection for over half the season.  He got less than 3 full games of minutes in the first team, and didn't complete 90mins in any game.  Certainly not what we would have hoped when we loaned him out

[sfc4prem]

To be comparing Sulemana and Mane is laughable. Sulemana made little to no impact against Championship defenders and showed no discernable skill, footballing intelligence, or end product.

[saintant]

15 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

To be comparing Sulemana and Mane is laughable. Sulemana made little to no impact against Championship defenders and showed no discernable skill, footballing intelligence, or end product.

Can't see where anyone has compared the two. I made a reference to Mane but not a comparison.

[sfc4prem]

21 minutes ago, saintant said:

Can't see where anyone has compared the two. I made a reference to Mane but not a comparison.

Apologies, it's been a long day!

[ErwinK1961]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Sulemana this summer is still younger than Mane was when Mane joined Saints. Many wrote Mane off early on and yet he was older at that point than Sulemana is now!

It isn't just pace, Sulemana also has the ability to beat players at ease. The stats back that up. Consistency and the final ball let him down, but to right him off as purely pace doesn't hold up.

Also if he was as poor a player as many make out, it wouldn't be a team like Ajax signing him.

1. No he isn’t, they’re the same age

2. Do you know what Mané had done by Sulemana’s age? Scored 31 goals for Salzburg (plus numerous assists). What’s Sulemana done? Clocked as the fastest player at the World Cup in 2022 👏

3. A team like Ajax? You mean the team that finished 5th in a 3 horse race last season?

4. The stats that matter show he is nothing but a pace merchant with no final third ability.

[Convict Colony]

10 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

 👏

4. The stats that matter show he is nothing but a pace merchant with no final third ability.

Wait what website are you using it sounds like you are using a  proprietary algo, maybe share with the scouting department it would save us a fortune 🤣

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Sulemana this summer is still younger than Mane was when Mane joined Saints. Many wrote Mane off early on and yet he was older at that point than Sulemana is now!

It isn't just pace, Sulemana also has the ability to beat players at ease. The stats back that up. Consistency and the final ball let him down, but to right him off as purely pace doesn't hold up.

Also if he was as poor a player as many make out, it wouldn't be a team like Ajax signing him.

Ajax are still playing in a relatively weak league, even though they're a big name as a club.

The problem myself and others have with Sulemana is his lack of footballing intelligence. He's similar to Edozie in that regard.

You can be the quickest footballer ever, but if you don't know how to utilise that pace then it's all a bit pointless. He can beat a man, he can take on players, but more often than not there is nothing at the end of it. If he wasn't as quick as he is I doubt he'd have ever made European football from that right to dream academy. 

Last season, in the 2nd tier of English football, was his opportunity to showcase his pace against lumbering Champ CB's, but he didn't do anything. One of the last chances he had was in that utter shit show at the King Power, we wilted in the 2nd half of that game and he was one of the main culprits of downing tools - and that's likley why he's not been trusted since.

[VectisSaint]

45 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Ajax are still playing in a relatively weak league, even though they're a big name as a club.

 

Eredivisie is ranked #6 in UEFA, below France and above Portugal. For comparison Scottish premiership is ranked #17.

[ally_uk]

I think Sulemana is dogshit! And has done nothing since joining us.....

[SuperSAINT]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Ajax are still playing in a relatively weak league, even though they're a big name as a club.

The problem myself and others have with Sulemana is his lack of footballing intelligence. He's similar to Edozie in that regard.

You can be the quickest footballer ever, but if you don't know how to utilise that pace then it's all a bit pointless. He can beat a man, he can take on players, but more often than not there is nothing at the end of it. If he wasn't as quick as he is I doubt he'd have ever made European football from that right to dream academy. 

Last season, in the 2nd tier of English football, was his opportunity to showcase his pace against lumbering Champ CB's, but he didn't do anything. One of the last chances he had was in that utter shit show at the King Power, we wilted in the 2nd half of that game and he was one of the main culprits of downing tools - and that's likley why he's not been trusted since.

I'll be genuinely interested to see how he does in that league.  Assuming he passes a medical.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Sulemana this summer is still younger than Mane was when Mane joined Saints. Many wrote Mane off early on and yet he was older at that point than Sulemana is now!

It isn't just pace, Sulemana also has the ability to beat players at ease. The stats back that up. Consistency and the final ball let him down, but to right him off as purely pace doesn't hold up.

Also if he was as poor a player as many make out, it wouldn't be a team like Ajax signing him.

Do you actually go to games or just go on FM stats? The difference between Sadio and Sulemana in their first 20 odd games is chalk and cheese

[SuperSAINT]

[SaintNewForest]

Can't believe someone has taken Sulemana off us; happy fucking days indeed. 

One of the worst players to ever play for us

 

[Matthew Le God]

39 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Do you actually go to games or just go on FM stats? 

You are asking if I base my views on my own views. That makes no sense.

[Whitey Grandad]

15 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

Can't believe someone has taken Sulemana off us; happy fucking days indeed. 

One of the worst players to ever play for us

 

Has he actually gone?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

12 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Has he actually gone?

He was almost gone, before someone noticed the sale value on a FM site.

https://fminside.net/players/3-fm-23/29244869-kamaldeen-sulemana

 

[Chewy]

4 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Sulemana this summer is still younger than Mane was when Mane joined Saints. Many wrote Mane off early on and yet he was older at that point than Sulemana is now!

It isn't just pace, Sulemana also has the ability to beat players at ease. The stats back that up. Consistency and the final ball let him down, but to right him off as purely pace doesn't hold up.

Also if he was as poor a player as many make out, it wouldn't be a team like Ajax signing him.

Right him off, or write him off? Can’t stand poor english.

[woodsaint1]

4 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

He didn’t exactly shine in The Championship where he should have had 80% of those defenders on toast.

He should have made himself undroppable, but he either has an attitude problem or he’s all pace and nothing else.

No loss at all I’m afraid 

Exactly my thoughts. All this talk of raw potential, still young etc etc, he should have tore the championship up last season, but he didnt and in fact he looked very mediocre.

Hopefully he does well at Ajax and we can recoup some of what we paid for him, because right now it doesnt look like he has a future here

[Saint Matty 76]

Feel like I can always understand us going for players like Sulemana, because just a little bit of improvement on their end product can see you making huge money. 

Unfortunately he never really showed any signs of doing that, and a £25m~ player making as little of an impact in the Championship is embarrassing.

Hopefully we've loaned him to a good league, he performs well and we end up getting £15m or so back. Whether that's the option Ajax included or from elsewhere.

 

[Saint Scott]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Has he actually gone?

 

[pimpin4rizeal]

Whilst it’s a chance of recouping the money on sulemana I do like him and think he could have still came good . With how things are going under Martin atm losing players like Alcaraz and sulemana leaves a funny taste with me .. under a different manager  and play style which could happen soon  both could have potentially thrived . At least Fernandes is looking great to compensate for Alcaraz leaving though .

[Zorba]

34 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Whilst it’s a chance of recouping the money on sulemana I do like him and think he could have still came good . With how things are going under Martin atm losing players like Alcaraz and sulemana leaves a funny taste with me .. under a different manager  and play style which could happen soon  both could have potentially thrived . At least Fernandes is looking great to compensate for Alcaraz leaving though .

Lucy?