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miserableoldgit

miserableoldgit

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:24, Whitey Grandad said:

And there’s the problem.

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Whilst I am not comparing them exactly, before anybody suggests it, are you suggesting that SAF, Pep, Klopp etc are not singleminded? They all have their way of playing and try to stick to it. It is the ability to successfully change during a game that make a great manager. I saw people saying at the beginning of last season saying that RM wouldn't get us promoted because he had never done it before.....conveniently forgetting that NO manager had got a team promoted until the first time that they did.

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Kenilworthy

Kenilworthy

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  On 27/08/2024 at 10:49, goodymatt said:

Strikers that could be available to sign or loan from PL teams, which includes a bit of scraping the barrel:

Wood/Awonyi - might fall down pecking order with Pedro coming in? Unlikely to be available.

Emmanuel Dennis - did well at Watford

Ings - rejected us already this summer

Broja - can’t loan from Chelsea 

Antonio - one last dance?

Maupay - Everton fans aren’t his favourites

Nkhetia - looks off to Palace

Evan Ferguson - injuries/unlikely

Stansfield - looked sharp on loan at Brum but not experienced.

You can see why we are looking outside the PL. Broja would suit us best but we can’t loan him.

I do think Cameron Archer would have been on this list had we not already signed him. He’s a much better player than many posters think, but not the target man we crave.

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We should have signed Wood years ago. He is a very basic player but does what we need desperately. And as others have said, Josh Sargent would be worth looking at 

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pimpin4rizeal

pimpin4rizeal

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:08, Hopper said:

I’d take a punt on Alberto over Broja any day of the week. Vastly more experienced with a much better goal to game ratio and only a hair older. 

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Say what you want about broja but he  has killer attributes .. lightning fast for a big man, strong and also a really composed finisher .. 

people bang on about him not doing much since us but if he had he would be a 70m player and way out of our league anyway .. 

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Saint86

Saint86

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:35, pimpin4rizeal said:

Say what you want about broja but he  has killer attributes .. lightning fast for a big man, strong and also a really composed finisher .. 

people bang in about him not doing much since us bug if he had he would be a 70m player and way out of our league anyway .. 

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So we should sign him because he's been shit since he left us and is therefore affordable? 🤔😅

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:33, beatlesaint said:

Its hardly a surprise, where would you play him? Besides theyve bought in Big Lesley from Chelsea to play his role and that would be a total waste of a loan, plus theres Downes of course. We dont need anyone else who can pass sideways and slow the play down even further. 

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I'd play him ahead of Smallbone or Aribo. 

miserableoldgit

miserableoldgit

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:35, pimpin4rizeal said:

Say what you want about broja but he  has killer attributes .. lightning fast for a big man, strong and also a really composed finisher .. 

people bang on about him not doing much since us but if he had he would be a 70m player and way out of our league anyway .. 

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So why isn't he currently utilising these abilties? What is the reason that he has done nothing since leaving us? Injury? He was never the same for us after the injury. Is he just sat around moping wait for us to call on him again?

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Hopper

Hopper

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:35, pimpin4rizeal said:

Say what you want about broja but he  has killer attributes .. lightning fast for a big man, strong and also a really composed finisher .. 

people bang on about him not doing much since us but if he had he would be a 70m player and way out of our league anyway .. 

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You could make this argument of a lot of players. Hypothetical =/= logical. 

ErwinK1961

ErwinK1961

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:38, hypochondriac said:

I'd play him ahead of Smallbone or Aribo. 

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But what about Les, Fernandes and Downes? Because that will be the starting midfield once they have settled in. 

Bringing JWP in would be George Burley levels of position stockpiling.

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Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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Sign a big fast striker whose been capped by brasil, is that even a question ? (yes this poor joke was intended)

Sign me up, better than shopping in the usual bargain bin shops we usually get them from.

Fc Barcelona Brazil GIF

ErwinK1961

ErwinK1961

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:35, pimpin4rizeal said:

Say what you want about broja but he  has killer attributes .. lightning fast for a big man, strong and also a really composed finisher .. 

people bang on about him not doing much since us but if he had he would be a 70m player and way out of our league anyway .. 

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Really? Are you his agent?

He was never lightning fast before the nasty injury. 18 goals in nearly 100 club appearances (over half of which in the Dutch league), not screaming ‘really composed finisher.

Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:48, Saint Scott said:

What's happening with Bijlow, all gone a bit quiet?

I see arsenal are pressing on with a Ramsdale replacement in Espanyol's Garcia. Still an option for us?

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replacement for him comes on weds to sign so would guess we'd also announce then or thurs.

Dellyears

Dellyears

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  On 27/08/2024 at 09:56, goodymatt said:

Just saw a comment from a Brazil journalist that we first made contact with Corinthians for Yuri Alberto on 10th July 2024. So perhaps more of a longer term target than a last minute panic buy. 

Agree the bloopers videos and the consensus form their fans has Carillo/Lyanco style red flags a plenty. 

Interesting that he has been called up for Brazil and has previously had a big transfer fee and a few PL teams showing interest. Feels like we are gambling on him realising his early potential, a very SR signing. I’d much rather loan an experienced PL player for this key missing piece.

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Who is this experienced PL player? There's also a case for a young talented enthusiast trying to prove himself at top level         

Hopper

Hopper

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:44, ErwinK1961 said:

But what about Les, Fernandes and Downes? Because that will be the starting midfield once they have settled in. 

Bringing JWP in would be George Burley levels of position stockpiling.

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My dyslexic brain read Les Ferdinand 😂 

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Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:44, ErwinK1961 said:

But what about Les, Fernandes and Downes? Because that will be the starting midfield once they have settled in. 

Bringing JWP in would be George Burley levels of position stockpiling.

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A MF of Downes and Les as a double pivot with JWP in a more advanced role would be a great deal better than what we have witnessed already this season.

He would only be competing with Fernandes, who's still very much unproven in the PL.

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Ralph Fastenbüttl

Ralph Fastenbüttl

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  On 27/08/2024 at 10:43, InvictaSaint said:

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Folk got very carried away with the blooper video but the skills video contains a lot of impressive stuff. Plus, his real world stats seem decent to me. Obviously there's no way of knowing how he would or would not adjust to the UK and the Prem but he's clearly a dude with bags of skill and potential.

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pimpin4rizeal

pimpin4rizeal

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:49, ErwinK1961 said:

Really? Are you his agent?

He was never lightning fast before the nasty injury. 18 goals in nearly 100 club appearances (over half of which in the Dutch league), not screaming ‘really composed finisher.

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Did you not watch him when he was with us ?   And you didn’t think he was composed or fast ? 

I’m not too bothered about what happened since because he’s been at Chelsea which isn’t a easy team to break into 

he’s still only a kid and the potential is super high 

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Hopper

Hopper

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:56, pimpin4rizeal said:

Did you not watch him when he was with us ?   And you didn’t think he was composed or fast ? 

I’m not too bothered about what happened since because he’s been at Chelsea which isn’t a easy team to break into 

he’s still only a kid and the potential is super high 

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I watched him have a couple of decent matches and plenty where he vanished and was ineffective.

The other point with Broja is that his style of play was very well suited to Hasenhuttl's pressing/counter attacking style. I don't think he's as good a fit for Russball in any case.

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Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:53, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

Folk got very carried away with the blooper video but the skills video contains a lot of impressive stuff. Plus, his real world stats seem decent to me. Obviously there's no way of knowing how he would or would not adjust to the UK and the Prem but he's clearly a dude with bags of skill and potential.

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from 2023 - https://www.scisports.com/scouting-gbe-qualified-talents-from-south-america/

current ai scouting - https://scoutingstats.ai/player/yuri-alberto-7481/

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The Cat

The Cat

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We've gone from people laying into the club because Ankersen is telling the club who to sign, including one of the players being someone who can't stand up and is the standard of Carillo to the fact that neither of these are true in 24 hours.

Classic forum. Love it.

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Crouchie's Lawyer

Crouchie's Lawyer

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  On 27/08/2024 at 12:02, Convict Colony said:

from 2023 - https://www.scisports.com/scouting-gbe-qualified-talents-from-south-america/

current ai scouting - https://scoutingstats.ai/player/yuri-alberto-7481/

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Wow, his non pen xG looks pretty terrible for a Striker at 0.24 and that pie chart thing has his goal threat really low too. Chance creation isn't much better and goal efficiency only slightly better too. Still ball retention is pretty decent which will fit in well with our sideways and backwards passing style...

 

Despite what that Saints Brazilian poster has said and his goal scoring stats which to be fair look ok, I'm still not convinced by this signing but I guess we will have to trust in Russ and the scouting team if they genuinely think this is the guy who will hopefully be that focal point up top we so desperately need. 

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West end Saints

West end Saints

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I can't say this window has made me over excited or confident we stay up but it looks pretty decent and I don't understand the negativity.

We got Downes, signed two decent fullbacks, Lesley and Fernades are both clearly expected to be starters and are still integrating.

We haven't lost anyone who would be good enough for starting 11 going forward - with possible exception of Che, who many didn't rate and we have added Archer, BDD and possibly new Brazilian.

Sounds like goalkeeper will be significantly improved.

It's seems many of those getting very upset about our start are people who were certain we would get relegated, get thrashed every game, and there was no way we would have decent possession this season. So far two 1-0 defeats, worrying no points or goals but not looking ridiculously out of our depth.

I reckon we may well go down, but haven't written off RM or this squad yet.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 27/08/2024 at 12:38, West end Saints said:

I can't say this window has made me over excited or confident we stay up but it looks pretty decent and I don't understand the negativity.

We got Downes, signed two decent fullbacks, Lesley and Fernades are both clearly expected to be starters and are still integrating.

We haven't lost anyone who would be good enough for starting 11 going forward - with possible exception of Che, who many didn't rate and we have added Archer, BDD and possibly new Brazilian.

Sounds like goalkeeper will be significantly improved.

It's seems many of those getting very upset about our start are people who were certain we would get relegated, get thrashed every game, and there was no way we would have decent possession this season. So far two 1-0 defeats, worrying no points or goals but not looking ridiculously out of our depth.

I reckon we may well go down, but haven't written off RM or this squad yet.

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I’d trade possession for goals any day.

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Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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  On 27/08/2024 at 12:23, Crouchie's Lawyer said:

Wow, his non pen xG looks pretty terrible for a Striker at 0.24 and that pie chart thing has his goal threat really low too. Chance creation isn't much better and goal efficiency only slightly better too. Still ball retention is pretty decent which will fit in well with our sideways and backwards passing style...

 

Despite what that Saints Brazilian poster has said and his goal scoring stats which to be fair look ok, I'm still not convinced by this signing but I guess we will have to trust in Russ and the scouting team if they genuinely think this is the guy who will hopefully be that focal point up top we so desperately need. 

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If he can draw in defenders and leave space for AA or BBD to get a shot off I’m all for it. The REAL problem lies just there though…with Russball any shot has to go through 11 opposition players blocking as we’ve taken so f-ing long to get the ball to the forwards. Even Ronaldo would struggle! 😏😉

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Chez

Chez

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:13, goodymatt said:

Surprised Russ just said no update on the GK situation, wasn’t Bijlow having his medical yesterday? Just not wanting to comment until it’s done or is there still a chance we do something different, such as Ramsdale? Probably the former.

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After the ABK medical leak debacle, I would guess he would not want to even mention Bijlow has been here for a medical in case he fails it (or more accurately, the results are not to the management's satisfiction).  There might even be a possibility that we may want to change the terms of deal depending on those results...and as we know to our cost, the deal could easily fall through.

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Pat from Poole

Pat from Poole

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  On 27/08/2024 at 12:49, Chez said:

After the ABK medical leak debacle, I would guess he would not want to even mention Bijlow has been here for a medical in case he fails it (or more accurately, the results are not to the management's satisfiction).  There might even be a possibility that we may want to change the terms of deal depending on those results...and as we know to our cost, the deal could easily fall through.

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Ramsdale still seems to be a bit of a fallback option.

Albeit expensive.

It could be that if we end up with Ramsdale, it prevents a signing in a more attacking part of the pitch.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 27/08/2024 at 11:53, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

Folk got very carried away with the blooper video but the skills video contains a lot of impressive stuff. Plus, his real world stats seem decent to me. Obviously there's no way of knowing how he would or would not adjust to the UK and the Prem but he's clearly a dude with bags of skill and potential.

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He defo had high potential a few years ago, he was monitored quite a lot. The Corinthians move just hasn't worked for him though, and he doesn't have a good rep out there on the back of it. Could be multiple things though as Corinthians have been a pretty poor side for a while, but he's certainly regressed over the last 18 months - which is the only reason we've got a chance I guess.

It's certainly a punt.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 27/08/2024 at 12:56, Saint NL said:

Chelsea going for Ivan Toney. Surely they have to offload a striker or two this window.

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I'd say of all their spending, that's one area they've never really sorted. Lots of forwards, but no real number 9's apart from Lukaku and Broja - and they're both off anyway.

Chez

Chez

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  On 27/08/2024 at 12:56, Saint NL said:

Chelsea going for Ivan Toney. Surely they have to offload a striker or two this window.

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Lukaku is getting close to his move. We have seen they are happy to sell Broja. 

Jackson and Guiu won't be going anywhere.

So that leaves David Forfana and Deivid Washington. Fancy either of those?

notnowcato

notnowcato

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  On 27/08/2024 at 07:16, hypochondriac said:

He literally was/is a school teacher. He's also autistic which is obvious to anyone who interacts with him for more than 2 minutes. 

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Is autism a problem?  That is a question - maybe not for this forum but your post reads as though it is a problem or something to poke fun at.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 27/08/2024 at 13:03, S-Clarke said:

I'd say of all their spending, that's one area they've never really sorted. Lots of forwards, but no real number 9's apart from Lukaku and Broja - and they're both off anyway.

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No chance of a pay nothing now, but help their psr next season by obligation to buy deal if we stay up?

Assuming they'd fit our system of course. 🙂

Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 27/08/2024 at 13:06, Chez said:

Lukaku is getting close to his move. We have seen they are happy to sell Broja. 

Jackson and Guiu won't be going anywhere.

So that leaves David Forfana and Deivid Washington. Fancy either of those?

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Nope. Besides, we have already loaned one player from Chelsea. 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 27/08/2024 at 13:08, notnowcato said:

Is autism a problem?  That is a question - maybe not for this forum but your post reads as though it is a problem or something to poke fun at.

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Where did I say it's a problem? Or something to poke fun at? You've just made that up in your head. I said it's the cause of his posting style. I'd suggest his irritating way he posts and tendency to take everything literally is a product of his condition. He'd do well to listen to loads of posters who have told him how annoying they find it and his pedantry and he'd probably have a better experience on here as a result. 

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notnowcato

notnowcato

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  On 27/08/2024 at 13:13, hypochondriac said:

Where did I say it's a problem? Or something to poke fun at? You've just made that up in your head. I said it's the cause of his posting style. I'd suggest his irritating way he posts and tendency to take everything literally is a product of his condition. He'd do well to listen to loads of posters who have told him how annoying they find it and his pedantry and he'd probably have a better experience on here as a result. 

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Yeah, maybe it's the condescending tone I can't help but add to the majority of your posts.  My bad.  

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egg

egg

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  On 27/08/2024 at 13:13, hypochondriac said:

Where did I say it's a problem? Or something to poke fun at? You've just made that up in your head. I said it's the cause of his posting style. I'd suggest his irritating way he posts and tendency to take everything literally is a product of his condition. He'd do well to listen to loads of posters who have told him how annoying they find it and his pedantry and he'd probably have a better experience on here as a result. 

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He can be annoying, yes, but you suggesting (or raising) that he's autistic was bang out of order and completely unnecessary. 

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Chez

Chez

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  On 27/08/2024 at 13:12, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Nope. Besides, we have already loaned one player from Chelsea. 

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I've lost track of the current situation, but are we actually looking to sign a striker - we just spent £15m on Archer - and if we are, does it have to be a loan?

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