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egg

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  On 20/08/2024 at 14:21, Midfield_General said:

I'll say it again - JWP is on £100k a week at West Ham. Does anyone think we're going to pay that, or think that he'd take a pay cut to come back when he's in the prime of his career at 29? 

It's not happening, in the same way that Ramsdale's not happening. We're not in the market to pay anyone those sort of wages, regardless of whether there's transfer fee, loan deal or anything else. 

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Yep, we'd pay that, I'm pretty confident of that. 

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ant

ant

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  On 20/08/2024 at 14:42, hypochondriac said:

We have multiple millions coming in this year. A ten million net spend is not spending millions we don't have. 

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Depends how serviceable the existing debt is and how bad the repayments have got on our loan(s).

The £10m net isn't yet the correct figure because it relies 'if' of shifting those players.

Current net spend is circa £75m. And even if we DO clear those at end of contracts/wantaways/dead wood, we probably need to spend further dosh if we've any realistic hope of staving off relegation. Transfer business is clearly not done.

Brings home the current futility of trying to compete in the Prem, IMO.

 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 20/08/2024 at 15:40, ant said:

Depends how serviceable the existing debt is and how bad the repayments have got on our loan(s).

The £10m net isn't yet the correct figure because it relies 'if' of shifting those players.

Current net spend is circa £75m. And even if we DO clear those at end of contracts/wantaways/dead wood, we probably need to spend further dosh if we've any realistic hope of staving off relegation. Transfer business is clearly not done.

Brings home the current futility of trying to compete in the Prem, IMO.

 

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That's a different argument though. If your argument is that we will need to spend more so that our net spend will be significantly higher after sales and that we are quite high favourites to go down then I agree. 

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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More nonsense from the bat-shit crazy Chelsea.

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Chelsea are proud of the fact that the 42 players they have in their first-team pool have a total of 191 years remaining on their contracts.

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warsash saint

warsash saint

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  On 20/08/2024 at 15:32, egg said:

JWP was told fairly early that season that he was being sold n the summer. I thought his attitude was superb considering that. 

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Really?  Apart from a few games when Nathan Jones pushed him further forward, I thought he was dire most of the season.

egg

egg

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  On 20/08/2024 at 16:20, warsash saint said:

Really?  Apart from a few games when Nathan Jones pushed him further forward, I thought he was dire most of the season.

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Poor or a poor attitude? I'm talking about his commitment. For me it was decent for a bloke who's been told he'd going in the summer. 

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Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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  On 20/08/2024 at 14:24, Ken Tone said:

OR..... he allowed himself to be sold so the club could get in a transfer fee and stop paying him £100k a week, so we could avoid going broke.

He's not like Lallana or Van Dijk, agitating to leave ...... as far as we fans can tell.

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No he was not agitating to move - he didn’t need to as the club obviously had to make some financial adjustments. KWP and McCarthy stayed and I bet their salary was not far off JWP’s. He has admitted that he left to get in contention for an England call, which in itself doesn’t show good judgement - he Captained one of the worst performing EPL sides ever that got relegated in an awful season…hardly a good resume for a player hoping to play at International level.

Saint Matty 76

Saint Matty 76

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  On 20/08/2024 at 16:20, warsash saint said:

Really?  Apart from a few games when Nathan Jones pushed him further forward, I thought he was dire most of the season.

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This is why he’d be quite intriguing as an O’Riley alternative in my opinion, played his best football in the more advanced role which is the midfield area we’re currently lacking in the most.

Fernandes/Smallbone - Downes/Ugochukwu - JWP/Aribo/Lallana

Suddenly looks quite exciting, although I do still imagine Ugochukwu will partner Downes more than just being his back-up.

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Chez

Chez

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  On 20/08/2024 at 16:01, S-Clarke said:

More nonsense from the bat-shit crazy Chelsea.

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when Chelsea get it right on the pitch, could all this off pitch shenanigans start to look like the work of genius? 

Essentially they are signing lots and lots of bloody brilliant young players and doing so in a way that gets around financial regulations. Seems smart to me. They are creating a squad of tremendous talent and potential, which gives them a chance to back to the very top of the tree, where they once were. The long contracts ensure talent stays with the club, and in the future those players may potentially be on wages less than they might get if they signed contracts every few years. 

I'm not really sure how having 15 attacking central midfielders fits into this overall strategy, but someone at the club must know.

Obviously, if they don't get it right on the pitch, it just looks bat-shit crazy. 

 

Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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  On 20/08/2024 at 16:31, Saint Matty 76 said:

This is why he’d be quite intriguing as an O’Riley alternative in my opinion, played his best football in the more advanced role which is the midfield area we’re currently lacking in the most.

Fernandes/Smallbone - Downes/Ugochukwu - JWP/Aribo/Lallana

Suddenly looks quite exciting, although I do still imagine Ugochukwu will partner Downes more than just being his back-up.

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Yeah, my feeling is it’s more like…

Fernandes/Aribo - Downes/Smallbone - Ugochukwu/Lallana (who has said his role was different while at Brighton…more like Downes/JWP with less attacking moves, probably due to not having the legs anymore).

Chez

Chez

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  On 20/08/2024 at 16:20, warsash saint said:

Really?  Apart from a few games when Nathan Jones pushed him further forward, I thought he was dire most of the season.

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The side was dire. Not sure JWP was. Might even have been his best season for us. Lavia was great when fit, but I thought JWP was probably our best player that season (not saying much I know). maybe my mind is playing tricks on me.

He's not a world beater though. There are limits to his game.

Chez

Chez

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  On 20/08/2024 at 14:20, St Chalet said:

I think our top earner is currently Aribo on £70k p/w

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Possibly. But where does this figure come from? Is it a reputable source or one of those "player wages websites' that are about as accurate as an [insert to your own player and attribute]?  

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Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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  On 20/08/2024 at 16:54, Chez said:

Possibly. But where does this figure come from? Is it a reputable source or one of those "player wages websites' that are about as accurate as an [Che Adams shot on goal]?  

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You mean like that? 🤣

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Saint86

Saint86

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  On 20/08/2024 at 16:37, Chez said:

big clubs earning an absolute fortune from their failures and cast offs really pisses me off. They have every angle covered. 

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Chelsea are basically a temp agency at this point. You can bet that every single player they've signed is part of a business plan to turn profit first and foremost. The few that are good enough for the first team all benefit from uplfits in their contracts - the rest generate loan fees and are sold for profit to rival clubs.

Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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  On 20/08/2024 at 17:41, Saint86 said:

Chelsea are basically a temp agency at this point. You can bet that every single player they've signed is part of a business plan to turn profit first and foremost. The few that are good enough for the first team all benefit from uplfits in their contracts - the rest generate loan fees and are sold for profit to rival clubs.

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Hugely tenuous and risky position, but I guess they’ve got the funds to operate in that way. Assuming they’re allowed to continue by the games authorities that is.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 20/08/2024 at 17:53, ErwinK1961 said:

Signing JWP on loan would also mean a GK would be unlikely/harder. We’re not signing one permanently, so would be restricted to a foreign loan 

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Outside of Ramsdale, I'm not sure of any other PL keepers available for loan who'd be suitable or gettable for us.

I predictably saw an article linking us to Ukraine's U19 goalkeeper, available on a free after being released by Dinipro-U19's. Hasn't ever played a pro game in his career. I imagine that one is a goer.

Free - tick

Young - tick

Never played pro football - tick

santolijador

santolijador

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Happy with the state of the midfield now - 6 players across 3 positions is good depth and we've made a nice couple of additions there now. 

You have to say, if we can shift a few players for some cash, the recruitment this summer (on paper) looks to be more sensible than in the past under SR. 

I am hopeful that this trend will continue as opportunities arise deep into the window

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MarkSFC

MarkSFC

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Happy with this signing even of not quite the level yet of ORiley but to be honest I hadn't heard of either before this summer😂

So just 3 signings to make - in order of importance 

GK

Striker

Winger

DT

DT

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  On 20/08/2024 at 16:34, Chez said:

when Chelsea get it right on the pitch, could all this off pitch shenanigans start to look like the work of genius? 

Essentially they are signing lots and lots of bloody brilliant young players and doing so in a way that gets around financial regulations. Seems smart to me. They are creating a squad of tremendous talent and potential, which gives them a chance to back to the very top of the tree, where they once were. The long contracts ensure talent stays with the club, and in the future those players may potentially be on wages less than they might get if they signed contracts every few years. 

I'm not really sure how having 15 attacking central midfielders fits into this overall strategy, but someone at the club must know.

Obviously, if they don't get it right on the pitch, it just looks bat-shit crazy. 

 

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It’s also incredibly hard to keep such by definition ego-heavy players happy when they are not in the team (witness Sterling and his ‘statement’ released to the press. All of which creates pressure on the manager, who will always only be temporary as players agitate and noises off become difficult to manage. It’s rumoured that this got to Pochetino and that he left rather than was sacked. So to me this policy that Chelsea have under Boehly is not clever at all. Quite apart from the potential points deduction that may arise from dealings under Abramovich. 

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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  On 20/08/2024 at 17:41, Saint86 said:

Chelsea are basically a temp agency at this point. You can bet that every single player they've signed is part of a business plan to turn profit first and foremost. The few that are good enough for the first team all benefit from uplfits in their contracts - the rest generate loan fees and are sold for profit to rival clubs.

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Doing a few years business in advance because they’re facing another transfer ban.

 

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Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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Sorry if posted already - we couldn’t sign him on loan anyway but £30m !

🚨 Armando Broja to Ipswich is 𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘 𝗪𝗘 𝗚𝗢 done. ✅

Loan deal, with an obligation to buy for £30m if Ipswich stay up.

(Source: @FabrizioRomano)

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UpweySaint

UpweySaint

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  On 20/08/2024 at 18:51, Give it to Ron said:

Sorry if posted already - we couldn’t sign him on loan anyway but £30m !

🚨 Armando Broja to Ipswich is 𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘 𝗪𝗘 𝗚𝗢 done. ✅

Loan deal, with an obligation to buy for £30m if Ipswich stay up.

(Source: @FabrizioRomano)

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Ipswich have picked up several players we’ve been linked with so while not a direct parallel it will give us a chance to compare on a here’s what you could have won bullseye style arrangement! 

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ErwinK1961

ErwinK1961

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  On 20/08/2024 at 18:51, Give it to Ron said:

Sorry if posted already - we couldn’t sign him on loan anyway but £30m !

🚨 Armando Broja to Ipswich is 𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘 𝗪𝗘 𝗚𝗢 done. ✅

Loan deal, with an obligation to buy for £30m if Ipswich stay up.

(Source: @FabrizioRomano)

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That’s mental money.

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verlaine1979

verlaine1979

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I suspect the American finance influence at Chelsea also has them treating player trading like venture capital. Buy lots of young players, for their first loan send them to a good league with no option to buy, then wait to see which ones 2-3x in value. If Les proves himself an effective PL bulldozer for us, he'll be worth at least double what they paid for him without ever having to kick a ball in anger for their first team. On the other hand, if the first loan isn't a huge success, they're sent out again next season to less auspicious clubs with an obligation to buy that hopefully covers the original cost of the purchase or better (as with Broja link to Ipswich now). The key to the approach is that you have to be comfortable with a few big sales covering many more smaller losses.

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 20/08/2024 at 18:54, ErwinK1961 said:

That’s mental money.

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I don't understand how these top clubs can get the money they can for their deadwood.

Before his injury and after his decent season with us (in the January when he was with us actually) there was talk of £30m bids. Now, 2/3 years on, on the back of a mega-injury and a pretty woeful spell at Fulham, he's still worth the same.

Bonkers really. To me there's no value in that one, Fulham fans will vouch for that as they hated him last year. A loan with a £10-15m is probably fair, but £30m is just nonsense and is why football is broken.

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woodsaint1

woodsaint1

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If you had offered me Archer or Broja a few weeks ago I would have said Archer. Broja hasnt looked the same player that played the first 10-12 games for us. Would also be surprised if he doesnt get injured within the first few months

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Guest

Guest

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  On 20/08/2024 at 18:29, DT said:

It’s also incredibly hard to keep such by definition ego-heavy players happy when they are not in the team (witness Sterling and his ‘statement’ released to the press. All of which creates pressure on the manager, who will always only be temporary as players agitate and noises off become difficult to manage. It’s rumoured that this got to Pochetino and that he left rather than was sacked. So to me this policy that Chelsea have under Boehly is not clever at all. Quite apart from the potential points deduction that may arise from dealings under Abramovich. 

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Chelsea are the comedy club nowadays.

Imagine being in that dressing room, Christ knows where you sit. Are there enough lockers in the changing rooms? 😂

Saint86

Saint86

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  On 20/08/2024 at 18:54, UpweySaint said:

Ipswich have picked up several players we’ve been linked with so while not a direct parallel it will give us a chance to compare on a here’s what you could have won bullseye style arrangement! 

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Broja?!? 🤣😂

Ipswich are wasting money on wages there. Let alone the fact that Archer is our player for half the price.

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East Kent Saint

East Kent Saint

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  On 20/08/2024 at 19:03, FarehamSaintJames said:

Chelsea are the comedy club nowadays.

Imagine being in that dressing room, Christ knows where you sit. Are there enough lockers in the changing rooms? 😂

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Apparently not , despite extending the number of places in the changing room some players are having to change in a corridor !

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sfc4prem

sfc4prem

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  On 20/08/2024 at 18:19, MarkSFC said:

Happy with this signing even of not quite the level yet of ORiley but to be honest I hadn't heard of either before this summer😂

So just 3 signings to make - in order of importance 

GK

Striker

Winger

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I don't think we'll buy a striker. A winger, perhaps. A goalkeeper, hopefully!

revolution saint

revolution saint

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  On 20/08/2024 at 19:06, Saint86 said:

Broja?!? 🤣😂

Ipswich are wasting money on wages there. Let alone the fact that Archer is our player for half the price.

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Whilst it’s fun to knock other clubs, I think it’s quite a good deal. It’s 30m of next years money if they stay up, and if they do stay up then presumably he would have contributed to that. 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 20/08/2024 at 19:11, revolution saint said:

Whilst it’s fun to knock other clubs, I think it’s quite a good deal. It’s 30m of next years money if they stay up, and if they do stay up then presumably he would have contributed to that. 

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Indeed. Personally I'd like us to structure some deals like that. Keeps us within FFP rules and means we might be able to afford a higher class of player. Dare I say it maybe we'd be interested in structuring the Ramsdale deal in a similar fashion - although his no doubt higher wages would be an issue I'm sure. 

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Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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  On 20/08/2024 at 19:11, revolution saint said:

Whilst it’s fun to knock other clubs, I think it’s quite a good deal. It’s 30m of next years money if they stay up, and if they do stay up then presumably he would have contributed to that. 

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I am uncertain it’s that good only time will tell. He was poor at Euros in games I saw and even dropped plus his time at Fulham wasn’t great but McKenna is a good manager and if can get him firing then an ok deal but £30m seems high still.

CSA96

CSA96

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I don't really understand how they plan to play Broja and Delap within the same team, given they've committed to £50m spend on them both - unless they plan to change formation or force one out wide / use one as a sub routinely

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Luke SkyWalker-Peters

Luke SkyWalker-Peters

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  On 20/08/2024 at 19:11, revolution saint said:

Whilst it’s fun to knock other clubs, I think it’s quite a good deal. It’s 30m of next years money if they stay up, and if they do stay up then presumably he would have contributed to that. 

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Or he might have another major knee injury, spend the season out of the squad, but Ipswich stay up anyway because they have a decent squad plus a great manager... and then they are having to fork out £30m for an injured player that didn't help anyway.

Leeds had a similar situation with Jean-Kevin Augustin, whom they had to sign on their promotion despite him being injured the whole campaign.

revolution saint

revolution saint

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  On 20/08/2024 at 19:17, Give it to Ron said:

I am uncertain it’s that good only time will tell. He was poor at Euros in games I saw and even dropped plus his time at Fulham wasn’t great but McKenna is a good manager and if can get him firing then an ok deal but £30m seems high still.

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I don’t know if he’ll be the same player he was either, no one really does, but it’ll be interesting to see how he gets on. It’s exactly the same kind of deal we did with THB so just seemed a bit strange to knock it.

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UpweySaint

UpweySaint

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  On 20/08/2024 at 19:06, Saint86 said:

Broja?!? 🤣😂

Ipswich are wasting money on wages there. Let alone the fact that Archer is our player for half the price.

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I rate Broja but happy to be wrong.

The point i’m making is they’ve signed several players we have been linked with over a few windows so we can actually see how they fare in a relegation threatened side.

Much like is Brighton sign MOR we can see how he gets on in the prem.

 

revolution saint

revolution saint

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  On 20/08/2024 at 19:22, Luke SkyWalker-Peters said:

Or he might have another major knee injury, spend the season out of the squad, but Ipswich stay up anyway because they have a decent squad plus a great manager... and then they are having to fork out £30m for an injured player that didn't help anyway.

Leeds had a similar situation with Jean-Kevin Augustin, whom they had to sign on their promotion despite him being injured the whole campaign.

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Yeah, don’t forget fires, floods and other biblical catastrophes. They could all happen too.

Any player could get injured 

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