SaintNewForest Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:34, Bad Wolf said: Why is anyone wanting to sign Broja? He had a decent 2-3 months during the early part of his loan spell with us 3 years ago and since then has done absolutely nothing. He was shocking at Fulham, I didn't even realise he was there until March. Expand Poor attitude as well. Honestly, one good purple patch but otherwise he's done very little with us and at Fulham ... don't get the hype at all. 2
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:32, Dellyears said: His name keeps cropping up, I can't think why. He doesn't fit our style. He is a busted flush. And even when he was here in his better days before his injury he had games when he just 'disappeared', not interested. No thanks. Expand In what way would he not fit our style? Not saying if be particularly interested in signing him but I can't see how he wouldn't fit us.
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:34, Bad Wolf said: Why is anyone wanting to sign Broja? He had a decent 2-3 months during the early part of his loan spell with us 3 years ago and since then has done absolutely nothing. He was shocking at Fulham, I didn't even realise he was there until March. Expand Looks like one poster has said they'd like to sign him.
Bad Wolf Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:44, SaintNewForest said: Poor attitude as well. Honestly, one good purple patch but otherwise he's done very little with us and at Fulham ... don't get the hype at all. Expand When being linked with a former player, I always ask myself how I'd feel about the signing if they hadn't got history with us. With this one, I'd be absolutely baffled. I wouldn't even be happy about signing Broja if we hadn't gone up. 1 1
suewhistle Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:04, Chez said: Inside the club, the first team, the wider fan base or just on here? Expand Just on here I suspect.. Nobody has many illusions but we do have a particularly depressive group here, even without Alpine.. 3
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:45, hypochondriac said: In what way would he not fit our style? Not saying if be particularly interested in signing him but I can't see how he wouldn't fit us. Expand You think he's worth £20m though. 1
miserableoldgit Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:01, Winnersaint said: Is it me? Or has the euphoria and togetherness of 26/05 gone through the floor more quickly than expected? Expand Mainly on here I suspect. A bit understandable. Last season was a real mixture of (mainly) highs and (some) lows. We managed to finish on an unforgettable high at Wembley, when we acheived our return to the "Promised Land" of the EPL. Since then, reality has kicked in and the (percieved) lack of any "Marquee" signings, and the realistic prospect of there not being any, has brought home the fact that next season is liable to be a struggle rather than a triumphant return.
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:09, Farmer Saint said: You think he's worth £20m though. Expand I said that's what we would likely be paying if we were interested.
RedWillie Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 KWP starts today...will he stay or should he go? 1
Oh no Mick Mills Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:11, RedWillie said: KWP starts today...will he stay or should he go? Expand Tall Paul on the bench as well.
CB Fry Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:03, Farmer Saint said: No, I agree, but that doesn't mean that we were ready. Just because we couldn't afford to stay down does not mean the club was in a position to be promoted and to be able to compete in the Prem. It's not one or the other. Expand Pretty much no teams is ever "ready" for the Premier League. It's not "one or the other", it's all promoted clubs ever. 1
SaintsFan86 Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 ABK pretty much gone, Shea Charles not even with the team.. Gotta wonder where he is. 1
miserableoldgit Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:34, SaintsFan86 said: ABK pretty much gone, Shea Charles not even with the team.. Gotta wonder where he is. Expand On his way to Celtic as part of a deal?? 3
Dusic Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 Apologies for the long post and appreciate I may be in the minority here but I am of the view that Broja would be a good signing, and here is why: - He has shown that when fit and in good form he can really trouble the best defenders in the league. During the purple patch he had for us he really looked like a top striker. Remember he had great games versus West Ham and Man Utd, bith away, where their defenders couldnt live with him. Clearly a small sample but he showed a level that others strikers (Adams, Arma etc) just aren't capable of. - Around that time he looked like a £30m+ player and Chelsea then wanted him back and weren't keen on a sale (at least Saints and WH were very keen). He then got a bad injury but one that these days the vast majority of players recover very strongly from. - So the issue is, has his injury significantly changes the potential he showed? Obviously scouts and prosective buyers would have more data/medicals etc to truely determine that, but he hasnt really played enough for Chelsea (basketcase club with no patience) and Fulham to say that it has. He barely played for Fulham largely because Muniz suddenly went on a great run and made himself undropable (whilst probably tripling his value to Fulham). - Then there is the question of what other options we have at that price bracket. The answer is not many and pretty much anyone will be flawed in some way, either just not being PL quality, being injury prone or totally unproven. At least with Broja we know that at his best he has a high level where he could create and score out of not a lot - we don't have anyone like that. Anything in that position will be a punt and I think Broja still has the potential to be good now and develop further into a really good PL player. He is only 22 so even if he disnt do well but largely retain his value at £20m. He needs to find a home where he is wanted and trusted and can settle and find that level again. Would certainly rather spend £20m on him than another Onuachu type from a poor league. Of course a loan with option or obligation depending on apps would be ideal and realistic IMO. 5
SaintsFan86 Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:40, miserableoldgit said: On his way to Celtic as part of a deal?? Expand Seems a good bet.
ErwinK1961 Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:44, SaintsFan86 said: Seems a good bet. Expand I think the better bet is he’s got a knock / ill.
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:41, Dusic said: Apologies for the long post and appreciate I may be in the minority here but I am of the view that Broja would be a good signing, and here is why: - He has shown that when fit and in good form he can really trouble the best defenders in the league. During the purple patch he had for us he really looked like a top striker. Remember he had great games versus West Ham and Man Utd, bith away, where their defenders couldnt live with him. Clearly a small sample but he showed a level that others strikers (Adams, Arma etc) just aren't capable of. - Around that time he looked like a £30m+ player and Chelsea then wanted him back and weren't keen on a sale (at least Saints and WH were very keen). He then got a bad injury but one that these days the vast majority of players recover very strongly from. - So the issue is, has his injury significantly changes the potential he showed? Obviously scouts and prosective buyers would have more data/medicals etc to truely determine that, but he hasnt really played enough for Chelsea (basketcase club with no patience) and Fulham to say that it has. He barely played for Fulham largely because Muniz suddenly went on a great run and made himself undropable (whilst probably tripling his value to Fulham). - Then there is the question of what other options we have at that price bracket. The answer is not many and pretty much anyone will be flawed in some way, either just not being PL quality, being injury prone or totally unproven. At least with Broja we know that at his best he has a high level where he could create and score out of not a lot - we don't have anyone like that. Anything in that position will be a punt and I think Broja still has the potential to be good now and develop further into a really good PL player. He is only 22 so even if he disnt do well but largely retain his value at £20m. He needs to find a home where he is wanted and trusted and can settle and find that level again. Would certainly rather spend £20m on him than another Onuachu type from a poor league. Of course a loan with option or obligation depending on apps would be ideal and realistic IMO. Expand Delap was 20 million for Ipswich and given the choice I think I'd rather have Broja. 1
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:34, SaintsFan86 said: ABK pretty much gone, Shea Charles not even with the team.. Gotta wonder where he is. Expand Unless he's injured that's a pretty big hint that he is off. 1
miserableoldgit Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:48, ErwinK1961 said: I think the better bet is he’s got a knock / ill. Expand Spoil Sport...... 2
miserableoldgit Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:41, Dusic said: Apologies for the long post and appreciate I may be in the minority here but I am of the view that Broja would be a good signing, and here is why: - He has shown that when fit and in good form he can really trouble the best defenders in the league. During the purple patch he had for us he really looked like a top striker. Remember he had great games versus West Ham and Man Utd, bith away, where their defenders couldnt live with him. Clearly a small sample but he showed a level that others strikers (Adams, Arma etc) just aren't capable of. - Around that time he looked like a £30m+ player and Chelsea then wanted him back and weren't keen on a sale (at least Saints and WH were very keen). He then got a bad injury but one that these days the vast majority of players recover very strongly from. - So the issue is, has his injury significantly changes the potential he showed? Obviously scouts and prosective buyers would have more data/medicals etc to truely determine that, but he hasnt really played enough for Chelsea (basketcase club with no patience) and Fulham to say that it has. He barely played for Fulham largely because Muniz suddenly went on a great run and made himself undropable (whilst probably tripling his value to Fulham). - Then there is the question of what other options we have at that price bracket. The answer is not many and pretty much anyone will be flawed in some way, either just not being PL quality, being injury prone or totally unproven. At least with Broja we know that at his best he has a high level where he could create and score out of not a lot - we don't have anyone like that. Anything in that position will be a punt and I think Broja still has the potential to be good now and develop further into a really good PL player. He is only 22 so even if he disnt do well but largely retain his value at £20m. He needs to find a home where he is wanted and trusted and can settle and find that level again. Would certainly rather spend £20m on him than another Onuachu type from a poor league. Of course a loan with option or obligation depending on apps would be ideal and realistic IMO. Expand My thoughts on this are much simpler. What has he actually done since that short purple patch with us? How does his goal return compare with e.g. Che Adams? He seems to have scored a total of 18 goal in his career. I would love to be wrong, but what is the attraction? Years Team Apps (Gls) 2020– Chelsea 26 (2) 2020–2021 → Vitesse (loan) 30 (10) 2021–2022 → Southampton (loan) 32 (6) 2024 → Fulham (loan) 8 (0) 1
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:29, CB Fry said: Pretty much no teams is ever "ready" for the Premier League. It's not "one or the other", it's all promoted clubs ever. Expand Dont agree with that so think we'll have to agree to disagree. However, if you've spent multiple seasons in the Championship you can benefit from a lack of spending and spend lots to fit in with PSR (see Forest for instance). We are more in the Burnley camp that can't spend enough due to previous spending within the PL/low commercial income. 1
West end Saints Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 Whilst they are not new signings, and not enough on their own, but I wonder how much the improvements and increased maturity of our talented younger players impacts on our transfer activity. I know Larios is seen as a player who will play in the premier league when he is ready. Dibling could easily be a regularly starter by the end of the season. Sam AA is likely to be getting a lot of game time. Smallbone - last month of the season / play offs probably our best players and only 24. Clearly I want us to add quality and think we need to, but in the comparisons to last season I would be very surprised and disappointed if those three can't add more than Stu, Brooks and Rothwell.
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 (edited) On 10/08/2024 at 12:10, hypochondriac said: I said that's what we would likely be paying if we were interested. Expand No, you said it would make "financial sense". If you didn't think he was worth that it wouldn't make good financial sense. Edited 10 August, 2024 by Farmer Saint 1
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:21, hypochondriac said: Loan with obligation to buy for 20 million with addons would make financial sense. Expand Here... 1
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:10, Farmer Saint said: No, you said it would make "good financial sense". If you didn't think he was worth that it wouldn't make good financial sense. Expand If we are signing him then it's financially sensible to sign him next ext season rather than this year. Not sure how that's difficult to understand?
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 12:11, RedWillie said: KWP starts today...will he stay or should he go? Expand He's staying I think. LWB please in a 5-2-3. Would be great. 3 1
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 (edited) On 10/08/2024 at 13:11, hypochondriac said: If we are signing him then it's financially sensible to sign him next ext season rather than this year. Not sure how that's difficult to understand? Expand If a player is worth £5m, then signing him for £20m does not make financial sense, whether it's last year, this year or next year. Not sure how that's difficult to understand? Edited 10 August, 2024 by Farmer Saint 1
East Kent Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 Hoping KWP stays and shows what the other teams are missing out on !
SaintsFan86 Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:11, Farmer Saint said: He's staying I think. LWB please in a 5-2-3. Would be great. Expand Needs to sign a extension then.
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:14, SaintsFan86 said: Needs to sign a extension then. Expand Like Che you mean? 1
SaintsFan86 Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:15, Farmer Saint said: Like Che you mean? Expand If he isn't planning on signing, Club needs to find a buyer.
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:17, SaintsFan86 said: If he isn't planning on signing, Club needs to find a buyer. Expand Like with Che? 1
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:13, Farmer Saint said: If a player is worth £5m, then signing him for £20m does not make financial sense, whether it's last year, this year or next year. Not sure how that's difficult to understand? Expand Bored now. 1 1
SaintsFan86 Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:20, Farmer Saint said: Like with Che? Expand You just post to aggravate people? 1
CB Fry Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:08, Farmer Saint said: Dont agree with that so think we'll have to agree to disagree. However, if you've spent multiple seasons in the Championship you can benefit from a lack of spending and spend lots to fit in with PSR (see Forest for instance). We are more in the Burnley camp that can't spend enough due to previous spending within the PL/low commercial income. Expand If you are using Nottingham Forest, who signed about 30 players in their pre-season as an example of a club that was "ready" for the Premier League then I am sorry but I really don't know what you are talking about.
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:24, hypochondriac said: Bored now. Expand 😂😂😂 2 1
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:27, SaintsFan86 said: You just post to aggravate people? Expand No, but he is the last player this happened with, and he left on a free. 1
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:27, CB Fry said: If you are using Nottingham Forest, who signed about 30 players in their pre-season as an example of a club that was "ready" for the Premier League then I am sorry but I really don't know what you are talking about. Expand I'm not, I'm using them as an example that had the opportunity to spend. 1
CB Fry Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 13:36, Farmer Saint said: I'm not, I'm using them as an example that had the opportunity to spend. Expand So you can't name club that was "ready" then.
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 (edited) On 10/08/2024 at 13:42, CB Fry said: So you can't name club that was "ready" then. Expand I didn't realise that was the game, but ok - Villa 2019, Leeds 2020, Brentford 2021, Fulham 2022, possibly Bournemouth 2022. All had good spines they could build around. Edited 10 August, 2024 by Farmer Saint 1
Winnersaint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 11:23, sandwichsaint said: Just reality kicking in, after paying out for THB and Downes we are left with enough small change for half a Solanke. PL is evermore a rich man's plaything, we are just there to make up the numbers. Expand It was ever thus. I can just about remember our first promotion. We had as much chance then as we do now of winning the title. Nothing has changed apart from the money.
Guest Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 Broja would be a decent signing, but let’s not mistake that for how some perceive him on here as a £30-40M player, he just isn’t that good. One good purple patch over a month does not make him groundbreaking. Shea Charles not in the squad, interesting.
Guest Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 Realistically who do we think will leave by the end of the window: Onuachu, Bella-Kotchap, Charles, Lis. KWP maybe? I think we’ll be lucky to generate £20 from those sales. Alcaraz and Sulemana’s cameos and trips abroad for pre-season imply to me they’re more part of the plans than others.
OttawaSaint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 Bloody hell, woke up to 3 unread pages thinking we might have got further with some potential signings or new links and it's just the same few knobheads arguing on and on... 4 3
Hopper Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 (edited) . Edited 10 August, 2024 by Hopper Wrong thread
Guest Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 (edited) On 10/08/2024 at 14:33, OttawaSaint said: Bloody hell, woke up to 3 unread pages thinking we might have got further with some potential signings or new links and it's just the same few knobheads arguing on and on... Expand This I care more about the squad and who we have after the window shuts than what we currently have. 😅 I will not be losing any sleep over this. Edited 10 August, 2024 by FarehamSaintJames
Farmer Saint Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 On 10/08/2024 at 14:19, CB Fry said: I wish we were Brentford 2021. Expand Exactly, Raya, Henry, Janssen, Goode, Norgaard, Jensen, Toney as a spine to invest on top on would be great. 1
santolijador Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 (edited) https://twitter.com/SaintsExtra/status/1822281386562060474 Edited 10 August, 2024 by santolijador embed?
CSA96 Posted 10 August, 2024 Posted 10 August, 2024 Fabio Carvalho going to Brentford for £20m + add-ons
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