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gio1saints

gio1saints

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GK is one position in particular  I don’t mind us hiring a top of the range expert/specialist.
 

Whether it’s to purchase ( unlikely with Saints) or to hire ( much more likely ) getting a goalie that everybody knows is shit hot between the sticks is a good investment. His reputation alone stops players shooting - compare and contrast at times with Gav last season. 

If Ramsdale costs £120k pw for a year that’s SR punting £6M pa on him saving us X points. He saves us 6 more points this season than Alex or Lumley who is going to argue he was overpaid? Alex did well last few games and would be a good back up - but a whole season as our undisputed #1 back in the EPL - I think him and Ramsdale can fight for that and I’m sure who wins. Or as I  previously mentioned the ex Arsenal and current Juve  Polish National GK may also be available for hire…

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:09, Lee On Solent Saint said:

What's the keeper situation at Bournemouth? Might be a option for Ramsdale if they do decide if they need a new keeper 

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They still have Neto as their first choice and club captain. Travers is second choice, and equally quite capable. 

If anything happens with Neto's situation I agree, they'd be all over it.

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:31, S-Clarke said:

They still have Neto as their first choice and club captain. Travers is second choice, and equally quite capable. 

If anything happens with Neto's situation I agree, they'd be all over it.

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Got to laugh havent you. We had McCarthy and Baz last time we were up who wouldn't be third choice at Bournemouth

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Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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  On 18/07/2024 at 13:44, Turkish said:

according to this he's on £!20k a week

2024-25 Arsenal F.C. Payroll Table (spotrac.com)

A lot for us but then he is a proven, quality goalkeeper and a good keeper wins you a lot of points over a season. There are some positions you cant fuck about with, goalkeeper is one, they at least stop you losing and strikers, who win you games when you dont deserve too. We've seen what happens when we try and go cheap or one for the future so lets not repeat previous failures.

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I know its ancient history for some on here, but when Saints were really challenging in the early 80s the addition of a 33 year old Peter Shilton had a huge galvanising impact which was clear from the stands at the Dell.  McMenemy and Clough thought he was worth a dozen points a season - had Keegan stayed (a talisman both ends of the pitch) I think we win the league in 83/84.  Ramsdale is not Shilton, but a 26 year old England keeper and would likely be the difference between struggling to stay up and settling into mid-table first season back.  I really hope that they have the minerals to do the deal, as difficult as it may be.

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Saint Scott

Saint Scott

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:26, Fabrice29 said:

I’d argue the Alfie House tweet is less encouraging tbh. Just like the O’Riley stuff it reads very much as ‘quite a bit to do on this, so be prepared for when this doesn’t work out’.

If we were confident of getting these done we’d be keeping it quiet and actually getting it done. Hopefully I’m reading both those wrong though.

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Alfie has stated in the comments he has no information if we are interested in Ramsdale or not.

He's just stated if Ramsdale was available that he'd assume RM would be interested given his quality.

VectisSaint

VectisSaint

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  On 18/07/2024 at 14:32, S-Clarke said:

As was mentioned a few days back, I cannot see any other viable options in this country for him. The only reason he would want to leave Arsenal is to play. The fee won't come into the discussion as it will only ever be a loan without any options on it, we just need to figure out the wage split.

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Arsenal are not interested in a loan. They want a sale, and are looking big money. Loan will not happen.

Fabrice29

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:45, Saint Scott said:

Alfie has stated in the comments he has no information if we are interested in Ramsdale or not.

He's just stated if Ramsdale was available that he'd assume RM would be interested given his quality.

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In which case I’m even more convinced it’s all just agent talk.

MarkSFC

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:47, VectisSaint said:

Arsenal are not interested in a loan. They want a sale, and are looking big money. Loan will not happen.

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If the owners are serious about stating in and competing in this league they will have to spend big 25m+ on at least 1 or two players each season. The quality in the top 10 is getting better and better and only those outside that who can find some gems but also get a few decent quality players in their team will not be fighting relegation. We have potential in our twma and squad and that's good but we need some real quality NOW. Ramsdale would be just that. Here's hoping the club know this and can pull it off. 

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:45, Saint Scott said:

Alfie has stated in the comments he has no information if we are interested in Ramsdale or not.

He's just stated if Ramsdale was available that he'd assume RM would be interested given his quality.

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I heard just before Wembley weekend that the club 'had informally spoken' to both Brooks and Ramsdale (assumed a pre-golf Staplewood visit) and thought the latter suggestion was crackers prior to seeing him in disguise at the final.  These kind of passing discussions happen all the time of course, but who knows.  Maybe the Brooks / Ramsdale bromance at SFC is on the cards, sincerely hope so. 

Saint Scott

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:52, Miltonaggro said:

I heard just before Wembley weekend that the club 'had informally spoken' to both Brooks and Ramsdale (assumed a pre-golf Staplewood visit) and thought the latter suggestion was crackers prior to seeing him in disguise at the final.  These kind of passing discussions happen all the time of course, but who knows.  Maybe the Brooks / Ramsdale bromance at SFC is on the cards, sincerely hope so. 

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Fingers crossed there is legs in it.

I guess from Alfie's end he may have no knowledge on this one, but that doesn't mean we haven't been in contact with Arsenal. It feels more of a romano exclusive than local journalist given it's them

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Sarisbury Saint

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:52, Miltonaggro said:

I heard just before Wembley weekend that the club 'had informally spoken' to both Brooks and Ramsdale (assumed a pre-golf Staplewood visit) and thought the latter suggestion was crackers prior to seeing him in disguise at the final.  These kind of passing discussions happen all the time of course, but who knows.  Maybe the Brooks / Ramsdale bromance at SFC is on the cards, sincerely hope so. 

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Genuine question, have we signed Brooks ?

 I thought he was on loan.

Turkish

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:45, Miltonaggro said:

I know its ancient history for some on here, but when Saints were really challenging in the early 80s the addition of a 33 year old Peter Shilton had a huge galvanising impact which was clear from the stands at the Dell.  McMenemy and Clough thought he was worth a dozen points a season - had Keegan stayed (a talisman both ends of the pitch) I think we win the league in 83/84.  Ramsdale is not Shilton, but a 26 year old England keeper and would likely be the difference between struggling to stay up and settling into mid-table first season back.  I really hope that they have the minerals to do the deal, as difficult as it may be.

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Agree. A keeper wins you points, ours seem to lose us them. More recently look at the difference Niemi made when he came in replacing Paul Jones. Jones was an okayish keeper, steady but Niemi was head and shoulders above him, he had an calmness and aura about him, commanded the back 4 as well as being a good shot stopper. I think in his next full season we had one of the best defensive records in the division. 

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AlexLaw76

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:57, Turkish said:

Agree. A keeper wins you points, ours seem to lose us them. More recently look at the difference Niemi made when he came in replacing Paul Jones. Jones was an okayish keeper, steady but Niemi was head and shoulders above him, he had an calmness and aura about him, commanded the back 4 as well as being a good shot stopper. I think in his next full season we had one of the best defensive records in the division. 

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Boruc for Gazzaniga ia another example

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Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:56, Saint Scott said:

Fingers crossed there is legs in it.

I guess from Alfie's end he may have no knowledge on this one, but that doesn't mean we haven't been in contact with Arsenal. It feels more of a romano exclusive than local journalist given it's Arsenal

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Would genuinely give the club a boost, one of only two positions that can genuinely do that - elite goalkeeper and goalscoring forward.  Think Flowers and Neimi were the last keepers we had to fit that profile. 

Miltonaggro

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:57, Turkish said:

Agree. A keeper wins you points, ours seem to lose us them. More recently look at the difference Niemi made when he came in replacing Paul Jones. Jones was an okayish keeper, steady but Niemi was head and shoulders above him, he had an calmness and aura about him, commanded the back 4 as well as being a good shot stopper. I think in his next full season we had one of the best defensive records in the division. 

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the really good ones all seem to have a degree of cockiness and a screw loose when they cross the line, which is a joy to behold.  Boruc was the last one to have it though the screws were a tad too loose. Ramsdale has that about him, and I like that Martin values character to foster team spirit, he'd fit in well I feel.    

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 18/07/2024 at 16:06, Miltonaggro said:

the really good ones all seem to have a degree of cockiness and a screw loose when they cross the line, which is a joy to behold.  Boruc was the last one to have it though the screws were a tad too loose. Ramsdale has that about him, and I like that Martin values character to foster team spirit, he'd fit in well I feel.    

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hes currently in the commentators box talking during the England v West Indies cricket. Seems a good lad.

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wild-saint

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  On 18/07/2024 at 15:15, sadoldgit said:

Unless your wife married you as a stepping stone?

Seriously, it is a job. If a bigger employer offering more money comes knocking, how many people would say no? 

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nearly one in two marriages end in divorce so maybe more people than you think see their wife as a stepping stone.

if you want to go back to it being a business decision why is it a good thing when  Staff member leaves for a bigger company. in my experience its a pain in the arse that costs me money, time and effort to replace them. ive never once thought "oh at least it means im hiring decent staff and oh what joy there is in developing them for their next role."

Oldandtired

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  On 18/07/2024 at 16:06, Miltonaggro said:

the really good ones all seem to have a degree of cockiness and a screw loose when they cross the line, which is a joy to behold.  Boruc was the last one to have it though the screws were a tad too loose. Ramsdale has that about him, and I like that Martin values character to foster team spirit, he'd fit in well I feel.    

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If we get him here and when he  makes his first big mistake as being Ramsdale he will do, he will get pelters on this forum same as the others have done.

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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  On 18/07/2024 at 16:34, Oldandtired said:

If we get him here and when he  makes his first big mistake as being Ramsdale he will do, he will get pelters on this forum same as the others have done.

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I doubt it, most Saints fans can tell the difference between the odd error and not being up to the job.  Boruc was barking but generally well liked, Neimi and Shilton idolised but not averse to having bad games.

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Turkish

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  On 18/07/2024 at 16:54, Miltonaggro said:

I doubt it, most Saints fans can tell the difference between the odd error and not being up to the job.  Boruc was barking but generally well liked, Neimi and Shilton idolised but not averse to having bad games.

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Remember when Boruc did a Cruyff turn in the penalty area away at Arsenal and gave it away? He got a bit of grief on his home debut but generally he was a very popular player. Most fans were disappointed when he left.

Niemi is regarded as out best keeper since Shilton despite having a howler in "that" game at Fratton Park, like you say the odd mistake here and there no problem, but when their blatantly not good enough it's no wonder people moan.

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sadoldgit

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  On 18/07/2024 at 16:34, wild-saint said:

nearly one in two marriages end in divorce so maybe more people than you think see their wife as a stepping stone.

if you want to go back to it being a business decision why is it a good thing when  Staff member leaves for a bigger company. in my experience its a pain in the arse that costs me money, time and effort to replace them. ive never once thought "oh at least it means im hiring decent staff and oh what joy there is in developing them for their next role."

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Perhaps they do, although it is an expensive way of going about trading up.

Business is business. If you hire good people there is every chance that they will move on to a bigger and better job somewhere else. A pain in the arse it might be, it is also basic Darwinism in action. The club used to make a point of selling itself as a stepping stone for players. If we manage to get some high quality people for a couple of years, surely that is better than putting up with some very average people for longer?

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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  On 18/07/2024 at 16:59, Turkish said:

Remember when Boruc did a Cruyff turn in the penalty area away at Arsenal and gave it away? He got a bit of grief on his home debut but generally he was a very popular player. Most fans were disappointed when he left.

Niemi is regarded as out best keeper since Shilton despite having a howler in "that" game at Fratton Park, like you say the odd mistake here and there no problem, but when their blatantly not good enough it's no wonder people moan.

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Three weeks earlier was the Begovic lob.  I was at that Arsenal game.  The holy goalie was such a unit that the defenders were scared to have a go at him, in the post match interview he said I'll make sure I get those points back, and he was tip top in the next spell of games. 

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 18/07/2024 at 17:18, Miltonaggro said:

Three weeks earlier was the Begovic lob.  I was at that Arsenal game.  The holy goalie was such a unit that the defenders were scared to have a go at him, in the post match interview he said I'll make sure I get those points back, and he was tip top in the next spell of games. 

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and put this on social media 🤣

 

Jokes! Southampton's Artur Boruc uploads a picture comparing his ...

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wild-saint

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  On 18/07/2024 at 17:16, sadoldgit said:

Perhaps they do, although it is an expensive way of going about trading up.

Business is business. If you hire good people there is every chance that they will move on to a bigger and better job somewhere else. A pain in the arse it might be, it is also basic Darwinism in action. The club used to make a point of selling itself as a stepping stone for players. If we manage to get some high quality people for a couple of years, surely that is better than putting up with some very average people for longer?

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of course people look to move up but that's not a good thing. hiring decent people in business isn't particularly difficult and there are graveyards full of people that thought they were indispensable. People leaving for better jobs show you have your hiring strategy right but you dont need people to leave to prove that. im just pointing out it isnt a good thing when people leave for better roles which was the original point. its costly and time consuming and can delay your path to success.  

 

 

 

 

 

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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  On 18/07/2024 at 17:39, Dusic said:

John Halls close to joining from Stoke. Versatile 23yo defender. Doing medical now.

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I can actually claim that I'm fully in the know on this one.

Reading have come in with a better offer, he was at Staplewood for his medical but Reading have won the race.

Also, the Scottish FA are trying to poach Burley - we are seeking compensation. It should happen.

#iwishwewerereading

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Saints were keen on a loan with an option to buy for winger Jesurun Rak-Sakyi, but Palace do not want to see him move to a Premier League rival.

Their plan is to loan him into the Championship for his development. 

The player, however, is keen on playing for Russell Martin.

revolution saint

revolution saint

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  On 18/07/2024 at 18:19, S-Clarke said:

Saints were keen on a loan with an option to buy for winger Jesurun Rak-Sakyi, but Palace do not want to see him move to a Premier League rival.

Their plan is to loan him into the Championship for his development. 

The player, however, is keen on playing for Russell Martin.

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Interesting we were prepared to use one of our loan spots on him (if true). 

egg

egg

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  On 18/07/2024 at 17:49, Convict Colony said:

key part they left out is he is the national recruitment for u14-19

nothing to see here

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But they're the next group of players to leave before they turn pro. Chelsea and Brighton will be gutted that he's moving on. 

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Worth a look?

One source has told Sky Sports News that the 25-year-old Nketiah will leave Arsenal this summer. 

That will depend on Arsenal receiving a substantial offer. 

Nketiah found game time limited last season - starting 10 games in the Premier league. 

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Dusic

Dusic

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  On 18/07/2024 at 18:29, S-Clarke said:

Worth a look?

One source has told Sky Sports News that the 25-year-old Nketiah will leave Arsenal this summer. 

That will depend on Arsenal receiving a substantial offer. 

Nketiah found game time limited last season - starting 10 games in the Premier league. 

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For the right kind of fee, e.g under £25m then yes, potentially.

Its the hardest position to recruit for and there aren't a lot of options. We are not going to be signing a proven PL player in their prime so these are the types, alongside players like Broja, that I am sure the club will be looking at.

Saint Scott

Saint Scott

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  On 18/07/2024 at 18:29, S-Clarke said:

Worth a look?

One source has told Sky Sports News that the 25-year-old Nketiah will leave Arsenal this summer. 

That will depend on Arsenal receiving a substantial offer. 

Nketiah found game time limited last season - starting 10 games in the Premier league. 

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I'd of thought they would want circa £40m

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egg

egg

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  On 18/07/2024 at 18:29, S-Clarke said:

Worth a look?

One source has told Sky Sports News that the 25-year-old Nketiah will leave Arsenal this summer. 

That will depend on Arsenal receiving a substantial offer. 

Nketiah found game time limited last season - starting 10 games in the Premier league. 

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We were after him a few years back, he went to Leeds instead I think. Good player, plays off the last man, brings others into play, can carry the ball, finishes well. Very decent business if we get him. 

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