Kyle Walker Peters

[EssEffCee]

On 02/02/2024 at 12:07, Ted Bates Statue said:

I've said before and will say again that deserves to catch on, although I'm sure Prince's version is in A major. 

Plus one for raspberry beret. Will be giving this a go at Bristol and West Brom.

[Chez]

I wonder if the planned safe standing will help originate a few new songs. 

[Saint Marky]

Because it’s easyto sing and catchy (feel free to improve lyrics),How about to hi ho silver lining

                       And it’s Ky-le Walker Peters,     
                       Everywhere we go, fuck Pompey.                                                                                                                                        
                        You see Saints sun is shining, because of what he does,
                         It’s fucking obvious.

                      

Edited February 3 by Saint Marky
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[chiknsmack]

On 03/02/2024 at 07:40, Chris78 said:

Only one Kyle Walker 

There's only one Kyle Walker

One Kyle Walker

Not that shitty

arsehole from City

Kyle Walker-Peters is the man.

[beatlesaint]

20 hours ago, Saint Marky said:

Because it’s easyto sing and catchy (feel free to improve lyrics),How about to hi ho silver lining

                       And it’s Ky-le Walker Peters,     
                       Everywhere we go, fuck Pompey.                                                                                                                                        
                        You see Saints sun is shining, because of what he does,
                         It’s fucking obvious.

                      

we dont need to mention League 1 teams - 

  And it’s Ky-le Walker Peters,     
  Anywhere he plays, he's magic,                                                                                                                                        
  You see Saints sun is shining, because of what he does,
  It’s fucking obvious.

[Badger]

Thought he was a bit sluggish at times yesterday by his own standards. 
 

But he’s been tremendous for us since signing and above all just got to acknowledge his attitude and application in getting on with the job, in some style at times, despite all the shit that’s gone on around him at the club over last couple of seasons.

Remarkable thing is for me is that he was probably our third choice for RB at the time , IF reports were accurate, of trying first to sign Maehle (from Genk was it?), then the publicised attempt to sign De Fuik (or similar) in the summer who then chose to go to Berlin. Maehle later impressed for Denmark, but De Fuik seemed to fall out of the picture (eventually being on loan at Blackburn). 

[Kenilworthy]

Yes I thought he wasn't his useful outstanding self yesterday. Although still better than every other RB in the division. Was it down to not playing last week?

[Disco Stu]

Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere...

 

[sledger]

wouldnt have him near the team,not gonna bust a gut for the team

[chiknsmack]

1 hour ago, sledger said:

wouldnt have him near the team,not gonna bust a gut for the team

Username checks out.

[austsaint]

2 hours ago, sledger said:

wouldnt have him near the team,not gonna bust a gut for the team

On a sliding scale of sledge quality, that one's skidding along at the base.

[ErwinK1961]

6 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere...

 

Least surprising news, if he wanted to do it he’d have done it a while ago.

He’ll probably end up leaving in January for £5m.

[Kenilworthy]

On 21/09/2024 at 06:03, ErwinK1961 said:

Least surprising news, if he wanted to do it he’d have done it a while ago.

He’ll probably end up leaving in January for £5m.

I think we can judge KWP's character by him not jumping ship on relegation. I think he would still give us everything. And that would be to his benefit anyway in getting the best possible deal when he leaves on a free.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

On 21/09/2024 at 06:03, ErwinK1961 said:

Least surprising news, if he wanted to do it he’d have done it a while ago.

He’ll probably end up leaving in January for £5m.

Unless the destination club just happens to offer him a great deal, I'd have thought he'd take the best of the offers as a free agent.

Part of the club's (and any club) is to sell on players. They've previously said they would try to minimise this. But that can be hard to do, as we've seen.

 

[ErwinK1961]

18 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said:

I think we can judge KWP's character by him not jumping ship on relegation. I think he would still give us everything. And that would be to his benefit anyway in getting the best possible deal when he leaves on a free.

Not knocking his character, I just think he probably expected not to be here and  probably messed a bit with his head.

I’m sure he wouldn’t let us down, but it’s realistic to expect he won’t be 100% focused.

[ErwinK1961]

10 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Unless the destination club just happens to offer him a great deal, I'd have thought he'd take the best of the offers as a free agent.

Part of the club's (and any club) is to sell on players. They've previously said they would try to minimise this. But that can be hard to do, as we've seen.

 

Maybe, depends who comes in for him I guess.

I think you’ll see more of this now - with PSR making it harder for clubs to spend in the same way, you’ll see clubs trying harder to keep hold of players, which will mean players will be hesitant to sign new deals so they’re not stuck.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

11 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Maybe, depends who comes in for him I guess.

I think you’ll see more of this now - with PSR making it harder for clubs to spend in the same way, you’ll see clubs trying harder to keep hold of players, which will mean players will be hesitant to sign new deals so they’re not stuck.

Definitely another factor.

Clubs had to find loophole exchange transfers to keep within the rules.

Others are stuck with players they can't shift. Due to amortisation, they can't take the PSR hit. So the fee (often too high because of the PL cash cow), and those wages make it even harder to move on players.

For us, SR have made it key that they keep individual wages as low as they can. It's a false economy in the larger sense, in that they panic bought extra players 2 seasons ago. But the idea is that it gives flexibility and higher profit margins for lots of transfers.

In practice, we've got players looking at the new deals and ( exceptions for Alex and Bedders) looking to move on. And waiting to go on a free, to get the best of their higher deal here and the big free signings fee at the next club.

Even at the levels SR bought players in, it's been too high to shift some of them. In fairness, ABK got derailed. We've not had decent enough offers for others. So, we've a bloated squad again this season.

Like you say, clubs can't spend even if they'd like to, as they struggle to balance their own books and offload their own players.

[Chewy]

33 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Not knocking his character, I just think he probably expected not to be here and  probably messed a bit with his head.

I’m sure he wouldn’t let us down, but it’s realistic to expect he won’t be 100% focused.

I can’t see KWP struggling for focus to be fair. He and his agent will know the hand they’re playing and probably have done for a while.
I think yesterday was a tactical decision made somewhat easier with the contract situation as an excuse.

In a back 4, having both full backs bomb forward at the same time is too risky, especially if your no. 6 can’t tackle. It was exciting at times v United but left us exposed. Playing Taylor gives us more defensive balance, plus useful dead ball delivery. It also provides a left foot - two right footers on the left flank cuts off the entire left touchline as an attacking threat making us easier to defend against.

So the options are

Play a left footed left winger AND ask one of KWP or Suga to sit

Play Taylor and choose between Suga and KWP

Play 3 centre backs … and still have no left foot on the left flank

Find another way to accommodate both Suga and KWP.

RM went with option 2 yesterday, I get why but KWP is pretty much our best player. Trouble is I’m not sure what the best solution is. Possibly option 1 but not with Lallana as your 6 (or Downes if I’m honest). 
I’d probably be tempted at some point (maybe Arsenal) to try option 4 and shove KWP on the left wing. He’s quick, tricky, would help with additional defensive cover and quite frankly couldn’t be any less effective than Fraser yesterday or BBD.  Quite possibly a terrible idea, but Suga doesn’t deserve dropping and is the future given the contract situation and I’m not comfortable with any of the other solutions 

 

[East Kent Saint]

KWP has been a good servant for Saints , the fact that he hasn't been snapped up makes you wonder why , where would he go now ? Not a top team .

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, Chewy said:

I can’t see KWP struggling for focus to be fair. He and his agent will know the hand they’re playing and probably have done for a while.
I think yesterday was a tactical decision made somewhat easier with the contract situation as an excuse.

In a back 4, having both full backs bomb forward at the same time is too risky, especially if your no. 6 can’t tackle. It was exciting at times v United but left us exposed. Playing Taylor gives us more defensive balance, plus useful dead ball delivery. It also provides a left foot - two right footers on the left flank cuts off the entire left touchline as an attacking threat making us easier to defend against.

So the options are

Play a left footed left winger AND ask one of KWP or Suga to sit

Play Taylor and choose between Suga and KWP

Play 3 centre backs … and still have no left foot on the left flank

Find another way to accommodate both Suga and KWP.

RM went with option 2 yesterday, I get why but KWP is pretty much our best player. Trouble is I’m not sure what the best solution is. Possibly option 1 but not with Lallana as your 6 (or Downes if I’m honest). 
I’d probably be tempted at some point (maybe Arsenal) to try option 4 and shove KWP on the left wing. He’s quick, tricky, would help with additional defensive cover and quite frankly couldn’t be any less effective than Fraser yesterday or BBD.  Quite possibly a terrible idea, but Suga doesn’t deserve dropping and is the future given the contract situation and I’m not comfortable with any of the other solutions 

 

Suga was brought in as a KWP replacement.

I also think, that if KWP is playing, we need balance on the other side.

For me, it's a back 4 with KWP and Taylor in it. It's tough on Suga.

If for whatever reason, KWP is on the left, then I'd look to have Bree on the right.

We need the solidity, and balance. We also need to be building up the RussBall partnerships to make that passing/ partnerships crisper.

 

[S-Clarke]

50 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

KWP has been a good servant for Saints , the fact that he hasn't been snapped up makes you wonder why , where would he go now ? Not a top team .

He'd be a cracking pickup for a mid-table, high bottom half team (Palace/Fulham/WHU/Bournemouth). I assume that's what these sides are waiting for, a solid freebie.

We're absolutley lightyears away from anyone mid-table in this league it pains me to say, so even a move to Bournemouth for one of our players is an enormous step up in aspirations and level right now.

[disconnect]

Is KWP actually better than Sugawara though? I've been very impressed with Yuki

[S-Clarke]

Just now, disconnect said:

Is KWP actually better than Sugawara though? I've been very impressed with Yuki

Credit where it's due, that was a great bit of scouting and pickup by the club - obviously in anticipation of KWP leaving in the summer, so it leaves us with a little bit of an overload at RB...but better than having none I guess. I can see KWP leaving in January, our last chance to get some $$ for him. It'll still be a loss on what we paid, but better than nothing.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

We're absolutley lightyears away from anyone mid-table in this league it pains me to say, so even a move to Bournemouth for one of our players is an enormous step up in aspirations and level right now.

That's the most depressing thing I've read on here for some time. Absolutely true though. How the fuck have we let Bournemouth overtake us? It's embarrasing.

[The Cat]

6 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

That's the most depressing thing I've read on here for some time. Absolutely true though. How the fuck have we let Bournemouth overtake us? It's embarrasing.

Because they had some rich bloke come in and pump a load of money into their club while we were stuck with zero investment from Gao for too long.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, The Cat said:

Because they had some rich bloke come in and pump a load of money into their club while we were stuck with zero investment from Gao for too long.

Again, when we sold to Gao, how come we weren't attractive to the likes of the guy who brought them? Was it because the asking price was too high? Other factors at play? 

[The Cat]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Again, when we sold to Gao, how come we weren't attractive to the likes of the guy who brought them? Was it because the asking price was too high? Other factors at play? 

Wasn't it something to do with Kat Liebherr wanting to keep 20% of the club? 

Wasn't there also a thing where it seemed Gao intended to invest but then the Chinese government stopped their citizens putting money into foreign businesses?

All in the past though, all we can do is try and improve over whatever period of time Sports Republic have decided they want us to. Someone mentioned a 10 year plan so maybe it's that.

[East Kent Saint]

Nobody wanted to buy Saints at the time , Gao struck a deal then Xi ruled no Yuan could be used to buy foreign football clubs . Gao then had to stump up the money from his own sources from outside China. He therefore had no money to invest in the club . The rest is history.

[6ft8saint]

6 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Suga was brought in as a KWP replacement.

I also think, that if KWP is playing, we need balance on the other side.

For me, it's a back 4 with KWP and Taylor in it. It's tough on Suga.

If for whatever reason, KWP is on the left, then I'd look to have Bree on the right.

We need the solidity, and balance. We also need to be building up the RussBall partnerships to make that passing/ partnerships crisper.

 

Taylor is nort on the same field sill level wise to either kwp or suga.

 

The issue is that kwp refused to renew so russell got his handbag out and refused to play him. Surely if your jobs on the line you play your best team

[washsaint]

2 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said:

Taylor is nort on the same field sill level wise to either kwp or suga.

 

The issue is that kwp refused to renew so russell got his handbag out and refused to play him. Surely if your jobs on the line you play your best team

You have no idea what you are talking about.  KWP, while looking good going forward, offers very little defensively.  Saints looked better yesterday with him out of the side.

 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

59 minutes ago, washsaint said:

KWP, while looking good going forward, offers very little defensively. 

That was very noticeable against Man Utd where he left gaps that Ryan Manning would have been proud of. That said, I still like to see him in the team because he's one of the few that creates openings in our team.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

21 hours ago, 6ft8saint said:

Taylor is nort on the same field sill level wise to either kwp or suga.

 

The issue is that kwp refused to renew so russell got his handbag out and refused to play him. Surely if your jobs on the line you play your best team

For me, having 2 quite attacking full backs can cause problems if not supported. We've plenty of defensive issues as it is. Having KWP on the right and a more defensive left back fits the way Martin has set up since arriving.

Edited September 23 by Holmes_and_Watson

[kitch]

Thinking about it more, it does seem strange not to play KWP on the wing in the positions either Fraser, BBD or Arma are frequently given. He's a better passer than them, faster, better technically, better under pressure etc? There must be reasons why they never try it, but I'd be interested as to what those are.
Suga and KWP aren't miles apart in ability, and while KWP is probably the slightly stronger of the two, he doesn't want to stay - Yuki is the future. I get why he'd start over KWP.
Taylor is a natural leftback, and while not outstanding, he seems pretty solid and offers natural balance. Again, I can see why he was favoured on the weekend.
But what I don't get is why you wouldn't use Kyle's technical qualities higher up the pitch, especially when - as a full-back - his strengths lie in the attacking side of the game. He's clearly a step up from Fraser, or BBD etc.

Like I say, got to be reasons for it, I'd just be interested as to what they were.

[saintant]

20 minutes ago, kitch said:

Thinking about it more, it does seem strange not to play KWP on the wing in the positions either Fraser, BBD or Arma are frequently given. He's a better passer than them, faster, better technically, better under pressure etc? There must be reasons why they never try it, but I'd be interested as to what those are.
Suga and KWP aren't miles apart in ability, and while KWP is probably the slightly stronger of the two, he doesn't want to stay - Yuki is the future. I get why he'd start over KWP.
Taylor is a natural leftback, and while not outstanding, he seems pretty solid and offers natural balance. Again, I can see why he was favoured on the weekend.
But what I don't get is why you wouldn't use Kyle's technical qualities higher up the pitch, especially when - as a full-back - his strengths lie in the attacking side of the game. He's clearly a step up from Fraser, or BBD etc.

Like I say, got to be reasons for it, I'd just be interested as to what they were.

I think we could try KWP as the more attack minded player in a double pivot with Downes as the defensive partner.

[Kenilworthy]

3 hours ago, kitch said:

Thinking about it more, it does seem strange not to play KWP on the wing in the positions either Fraser, BBD or Arma are frequently given. He's a better passer than them, faster, better technically, better under pressure etc? There must be reasons why they never try it, but I'd be interested as to what those are.
Suga and KWP aren't miles apart in ability, and while KWP is probably the slightly stronger of the two, he doesn't want to stay - Yuki is the future. I get why he'd start over KWP.
Taylor is a natural leftback, and while not outstanding, he seems pretty solid and offers natural balance. Again, I can see why he was favoured on the weekend.
But what I don't get is why you wouldn't use Kyle's technical qualities higher up the pitch, especially when - as a full-back - his strengths lie in the attacking side of the game. He's clearly a step up from Fraser, or BBD etc.

Like I say, got to be reasons for it, I'd just be interested as to what they were.

It was madness not to bring him on on Saturday where he would have done a better job going forward than both BBD and Armstrong

[Charlie Wayman]

On 22/09/2024 at 14:21, disconnect said:

Is KWP actually better than Sugawara though? I've been very impressed with Yuki

Of course he is. Amazing that KWP's non appeance for one game provides the signal for the baying mob to turn on him. 

[washsaint]

6 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Of course he is. Amazing that KWP's non appeance for one game provides the signal for the baying mob to turn on him. 

No-ones turning on him but Sugawara is better defensively and still threatening moving forward.  Whether KWP plays LB or RB he leaves us open defensively: looks great going forward but leaves us wide open at the back.

[benali-shorts]

Not having KWP in our starting XI (nor even coming off the bench in one of the worst PL performances I can remember) seems part of our muddled thinking. I'd be very surprised if it was an attitude thing, but he was probably our best player in the last two seasons and has good PL experience. How the rickety fuck is he not playing in this shithole of a team?

 

[Colinjb]

Just now, benali-shorts said:

Not having KWP in our starting XI (nor even coming off the bench in one of the worst PL performances I can remember) seems part of our muddled thinking. I'd be very surprised if it was an attitude thing, but he was probably our best player in the last two seasons and has good PL experience. How the rickety fuck is he not playing in this shithole of a team?

 

Perhaps he dared question the manager, who is clearly doing a great job.