Carlos Alcaraz

[Toadhall Saint]

Good luck Charley - all the best.

[Mr X]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Ultimately, not good enough despite early promise. 
 

Hopefully Sully next out the door. 
 

 

Agreed sullemana is even worse why isn't he out the door? 

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Agreed sullemana is even worse why isn't he out the door? 

He is on PL level wages, foreign teams that would want him will struggle to afford to match them. Plus Saints paid £20m+ for him relatively recently, they won't want to make a big loss on him.

Edited 28 August, 2024 by Matthew Le God

[Bad Wolf]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He is on PL level wages, foreign teams that would want him will struggle to afford to match them. Plus Saints paid £20m+ for him relatively recently, they won't want to make a big loss on him.

Signed him and Charley in the same window didn't we?

[Mr X]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He is on PL level wages, foreign teams that would want him will struggle to afford to match them. Plus Saints paid £20m+ for him relatively recently, they won't want to make a big loss on him.

True he needs to step up then as so far all he's done is show he has pace and not much else! 

[LuckyNumber7]

Quite pissed off about this tbh. Good luck in Brazil Charley.

[SNSUN]

I liked him but he obviously just didn't fit. He joined a bonkers club at a bonkers time but he did ok. Wish him all the best.

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Grow up. We’ve got decent money for a player who struggled in the Championship last season.

And kept a few others who didn't struggle, but only because their game doesn't revolve around actually doing anything of note. 

[Matty's Caddy]

23 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Quite pissed off about this tbh. Good luck in Brazil Charley.

Rather see dibling given more minutes. 
all the best charley 

[davefizzy14]

Wish Carlos all the best 😊 he always gave his all and is a very gifted player. Scored some great goals too. Really wanted him to stay.

[CSA96]

Straight red on debut, Flamengo lose 2-1

[benali-shorts]

Yuri Alberto also sent off in the same game 

[CSA96]

And they had a fight with each other 

 

[benali-shorts]

Absolutely filthy from Alberto 

[John Boy Saint]

1 hour ago, CSA96 said:

Straight red on debut, Flamengo lose 2-1

Wouldn’t be a surprise if that was why we were easily accepting of him being shown the door. He was at the centre of the scrap after the final whistle at Stoke last season, getting a bit silly in the pre season game probably confirmed the clubs concerns with his underlying mentality. 

[Saint NL]

I couldn't see what Charley did wrong there to get the card, but the original challenge was filthy 😂

[lhammondo]

He came on as a sub in flamengo's copa libertadores 1st leg, qrtr final loss to peñarol this evening. A certain G. Ramirez also made a substitute appearance for the Uruguayans'.

[Saint86]

Looks to have just scored the winner for Everton vs palace. But not good enough for saints 😂😂😂

[Saint_clark]

Just now, Saint86 said:

Looks to have just scored the winner for Everton vs palace. But not good enough for saints 😂😂😂

Different manager last season, him and Sulemana would have played every game in a style of play that prioritises driving forward with the ball and started this season drastically improved players. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

#legoball

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

#legoball

Nah... It's the players that aren't up to scratch, not the manager... innit...

[trousers]

 

 

[Saint_clark]

Not good enough for the Championship, we were told. 

[RedArmy]

We are the worst run club in the country 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

17 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Looks to have just scored the winner for Everton vs palace. But not good enough for saints 😂😂😂

So is our scouting really at fault?

Tall Paul would look like Pele in another team...ok, maybe that's stretching it, but Alcaraz was the closest thing to Tadic we've had since...well...Tadic 

[SfcPhil]

7 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Not good enough for the Championship, we were told. 

I expected him to tear up the Championship after some bright Premier League appearances, but he didn't. He didn't fit our managers style at all, so was moved on for a profit. The club have made a lot of mistakes in the past three years, but I can't say that's he's one of them. Just because he scored from 8 yards tonight doesn't mean the club were wrong to sell.

[Barsiem]

For anyone watching how's he played overall?  He was very inconsistent for us... But clearly has quality on his day

[Convict Colony]

Happy for Charlie, always rated him but as soon as Lego came in he was on the outs.

Think premier League suits his style and can see Everton making his move perm if he gets a couple more goals.

[Farmer Saint]

16 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Not good enough for the Championship, we were told. 

Who said that?

[Convict Colony]

3 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

So is our scouting really at fault?

Tall Paul would look like Pele in another team...ok, maybe that's stretching it, but Alcaraz was the closest thing to Tadic we've had since...well...Tadic 

Tadic would of been kicked out as well for risking losing the ball too often by trying to be an assist machine.

[Gloucester Saint]

24 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Looks to have just scored the winner for Everton vs palace. But not good enough for saints 😂😂😂

Funnily enough looks the good player he was when he first arrived playing to his strengths under an experienced manager, not a prick who has managed for 5 minutes with a ‘philosophy’ and whose teams concede a million goals. 

[Pamplemousse]

The fact Martin couldn't get the best out of him, even in the Championship, says it all about why in hindsight we should've binned him off after the play off final.

[Lighthouse]

He looked poor in the Championship, Juventus didn't rate him and nobody in the PL wanted to buy him in summer. Selling him allowed us to buy Ramsdale and we've got Fernandes in his position, who is a far better player.

Let's not get too excited because a rebound fell to his feet eight yards out against Palace.

[davefizzy14]

Carlos was one of my favourite players, class player. We should have kept hold of him.

Edited February 15 by davefizzy14

[SaintNewForest]

Absolutely criminal selling him. Should have been building a team around him, not making him an outcast and bombing him out. 

[Wiggles31]

Martin ruined Suleman, Alcaraz and Tall Paul July not giving them a chance. 

[Shropshire Saint]

If we hadn't sold Carlos would we still have bought Mateus?  Could not see RM playing both in the same team.

[Ted Bates Statue]

1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said:

The fact Martin couldn't get the best out of him, even in the Championship, says it all about why in hindsight we should've binned him off after the play off final.

For me it was the fact we couldn't beat Rotherham at home despite 80% possession, but yeah, we ended up reaching the same conclusion.

[RedArmy]

1 hour ago, Shropshire Saint said:

If we hadn't sold Carlos would we still have bought Mateus?  Could not see RM playing both in the same team.

Oh no, how would we possibly have coped without his 1 goal and 2 assists. 

[Lighthouse]

9 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Oh no, how would we possibly have coped without his 1 goal and 2 assists. 

I'm not sure I'm reading this correctly, are you saying Fernandes wouldn't have been much of a loss to this team?

[The Kraken]

3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Not good enough for the Championship, we were told. 

 

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Who said that?

 

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

He looked poor in the Championship, Juventus didn't rate him and nobody in the PL wanted to buy him in summer. Selling him allowed us to buy Ramsdale and we've got Fernandes in his position, who is a far better player.

Let's not get too excited because a rebound fell to his feet eight yards out against Palace.

 

[S-Clarke]

I find it depressing when people use the ''we got a profit'' ''he allowed us to buy x'' lines to try and justify a sale, it's a truly depressing way to think about anything. We shouldn't give a shit about money, finances. All we should care about is having the best players on the pitch and watching a game that's enjoyable, which is what we pay for at the end of the day. I don't pay money to watch us to then get a hard on about how much we sell player x for.

Charly was grossly misused under Martin, very much the same way as Charles. He was too much of a maverick for Martin which says more about him than it does Charly.

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I find it depressing when people use the ''we got a profit'' ''he allowed us to buy x'' lines to try and justify a sale, it's a truly depressing way to think about anything. We shouldn't give a shit about money, finances. All we should care about is having the best players on the pitch and watching a game that's enjoyable, which is what we pay for at the end of the day. I don't pay money to watch us to then get a hard on about how much we sell player x for.

So you’d prefer to have Alcaraz in this team, with McCarthy in goal?

[austsaint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

So you’d prefer to have Alcaraz in this team, with McCarthy in goal?

I would have preferred Martin to have shipped  out Smallbone  and retain Alcaraz.

[austsaint]

14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I find it depressing when people use the ''we got a profit'' ''he allowed us to buy x'' lines to try and justify a sale, it's a truly depressing way to think about anything. We shouldn't give a shit about money, finances. All we should care about is having the best players on the pitch and watching a game that's enjoyable, which is what we pay for at the end of the day. I don't pay money to watch us to then get a hard on about how much we sell player x for.

Charly was grossly misused under Martin, very much the same way as Charles. He was too much of a maverick for Martin which says more about him than it does Charly.

You can add Sulemana, Les Ugo and Onuacho to the misused players under Martin.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Fans complain about players not having loyalty anymore, but we pushed out two players with great attitudes who wanted to stay, Alcaraz and Tino

Edited February 15 by Ex Lion Tamer

[Saint_clark]

6 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

So you’d prefer to have Alcaraz in this team, with McCarthy in goal?

Honestly, yes. Ramsdale hasn't been £25million worth of goalkeeping performances so far and when we go down he's going to jump ship again anyway. 

[Toussaint]

12 hours ago, Shropshire Saint said:

If we hadn't sold Carlos would we still have bought Mateus?  Could not see RM playing both in the same team.

He’d have played one of them at full back 

[RedArmy]

11 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I'm not sure I'm reading this correctly, are you saying Fernandes wouldn't have been much of a loss to this team?

We’ve got NINE points. Nobody would have been much of a loss to this team.
Fernandes 1 goal and 2 assists have produced a grand total of 0 points. 
 

Alcaraz has got 1 goal and 1 assist in 1 start for Everton. 

[Fabrice29]

10 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I find it depressing when people use the ''we got a profit'' ''he allowed us to buy x'' lines to try and justify a sale, it's a truly depressing way to think about anything. We shouldn't give a shit about money, finances. All we should care about is having the best players on the pitch and watching a game that's enjoyable, which is what we pay for at the end of the day. I don't pay money to watch us to then get a hard on about how much we sell player x for.

Charly was grossly misused under Martin, very much the same way as Charles. He was too much of a maverick for Martin which says more about him than it does Charly.

 

On 28/08/2024 at 16:09, S-Clarke said:

I've always been a fan of Charly, although I think a lot of that feeling steams from the fact that he was our only shining light in a shambles of a PL season.

He's not the most disciplined of players, he'll go on a walkabout and do his own thing - which can work out in some sides, but when you're in a team that employs a structure - which most teams do (no matter how many agree or disagree with that) you cannot have someone just doing their own thing sadly.

I'm sure other clubs see the same limitations in him which is why he's not sought by any other English or European clubs. The move to South America will be good for him, culturally and footballing wise. I doubt we'll ever see him back in Europe, but I'll keep an eye on his progress for sure.

I think people need to remember that just one page back is the receipts of how we felt when he left. Although it’s much more fun and easier to just talk with the benefit of hindsight.