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Better than expected after the HT score.

 

Bring on Swansea - without Dyer they are useless!

 

Bring on the March

 

I really really really wouldn't underestimate Swansea if I were you. They were blooming good tonight (although Dyer was motm), and about 13 games unbeaten now (against a lot of good teams...Cardiff, Pompey, Reading, Burnley, Preston, Histon etc).

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I really really really wouldn't underestimate Swansea if I were you. They were blooming good tonight (although Dyer was motm), and about 13 games unbeaten now (against a lot of good teams...Cardiff, Pompey, Reading, Burnley, Preston, Histon etc).

 

Indeed, we will lose to Swansea, I fear..

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He scored 8. The one at Derby was Lallana's. Of those 8, 2 were against none League Exeter and one was a penalty (he missed another).

 

Non-League Exeter playing in the League cup? How very strange...

 

I've no idea who Marek's Aalborg goals were against (apart from the one against Villarreal), or if any of them were penalties. But whichever way you look at it Saga is hardly the in form automatic choice goal machine people are trying to make him out to be.

 

Wotte did everything that could be reasonably expected. People seem to forget that Pearson only scrapped a draw away against soon to be relegated S****horpe through a debatable penalty in his first match - and yet he was the messiah according to some on here.

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I've no idea who Marek's Aalborg goals were against (apart from the one against Villarreal), or if any of them were penalties. But whichever way you look at it Saga is hardly the in form automatic choice goal machine people are trying to make him out to be.

 

Gobsmacked at the lengths some people will go to to justify their support of Lowe.

 

A choice between a striker that scores against Villareal and puts the wind up Manyoos defences, and someone who scores against Exeter, and just about has the lowest chance-to-goal ratio in the division...:rolleyes:

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Gobsmacked at the lengths some people will go to to justify their support of Lowe.

 

A choice between a striker that scores against Villareal and puts the wind up Manyoos defences, and someone who scores against Exeter, and just about has the lowest chance-to-goal ratio in the division...:rolleyes:

 

I see you as the mirror image of Scooby, just not as funny.

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Non-League Exeter playing in the League cup? How very strange...

 

I've no idea who Marek's Aalborg goals were against (apart from the one against Villarreal), or if any of them were penalties. But whichever way you look at it Saga is hardly the in form automatic choice goal machine people are trying to make him out to be.

 

Wotte did everything that could be reasonably expected. People seem to forget that Pearson only scrapped a draw away against soon to be relegated S****horpe through a debatable penalty in his first match - and yet he was the messiah according to some on here.

 

Not none league, sorry, that's just me being a tit. However they point remains they are a bunch of part time welders. Against any half decent opposition Saga has scored more (7 to DMG's 6) in about 1/3 of the time on the pitch.

 

No he isn't a goal machine, but picking DMG ahead of him is madness.

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He was right about Burley being ultimately ****,he was right about Portvliet

being **** and i reckin he will end up being right about Wotte being **** too.

 

But you just attack anything he says...you are really obsessed with him.

 

Sad is about right for you

 

You call him sad??? You're the one being incredibly negative. Disregarding the results around us, a point at Norwich was extremely good, and we can take positives from some outstanding individual performances. All we need to do now is to radically improve at home (which I think is easily managable) and we will be laughing.

 

Furthermore, a huge positive was that Saganowski scored again. If Wotte can realise his potential as a top quality goal scorer, things should pick up for his providing he maintains his form.

 

If he continues to persistently ignore the obvious solutions, then you can get on his back, but moaning after his substitions won us a point in his first game at Norwich is madness.

 

But go on, keep moaning.

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You call him sad??? You're the one being incredibly negative. Disregarding the results around us, a point at Norwich was extremely good, and we can take positives from some outstanding individual performances. All we need to do now is to radically improve at home (which I think is easily managable) and we will be laughing.

 

Furthermore, a huge positive was that Saganowski scored again. If Wotte can realise his potential as a top quality goal scorer, things should pick up for his providing he maintains his form.

 

If he continues to persistently ignore the obvious solutions, then you can get on his back, but moaning after his substitions won us a point in his first game at Norwich is madness.

 

But go on, keep moaning.

 

You just dont get it, do you ?

 

Wotte was NOT a new manager, fresh in. He was the assitant in the regime that has been declared very publicly to not be working.

 

He knows the players, the tactics, the restrictions under which JP was working, has been involved in match preparation and the post mortems after matches. He has also watched the season unfold.

 

Therefore, his line-up tonight was unforgivable, and at half-time we got the same story we've had a dozen times this season.

 

As far as I am concerned, if he f**ks the team selection up for Swansea, or plays only one up front against them, his fate is sealed.

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Teams around us did win but if you look up the table it's so easy for any team to go in to free fall. If Charlton can go 18 games without a win then so can the likes of Barnsley and Blackpool. We are still in touch and it could have been a lot worse. Staying positive.

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What's wrong with the motivation??

 

Nothing wrong with the motivation tonight, I could see one of ours getting sent off, it's just that in the first half there were no options up front and McGoldrick was not up to the lone striker role. Marek didn't play brilliantly when he came on, but he provided options and did a professional job.

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You just dont get it, do you ?

 

Wotte was NOT a new manager, fresh in. He was the assitant in the regime that has been declared very publicly to not be working.

 

He knows the players, the tactics, the restrictions under which JP was working, has been involved in match preparation and the post mortems after matches. He has also watched the season unfold.

 

Therefore, his line-up tonight was unforgivable, and at half-time we got the same story we've had a dozen times this season.

 

As far as I am concerned, if he f**ks the team selection up for Swansea, or plays only one up front against them, his fate is sealed.

 

Ah well, in that case, lets just give up, lie down and sink into administration shall we?

 

Nevertheless, he soon enough changed it, and gave us enough time to rescue a point- he was willing to change it and it worked. As somebody has already mentioned, he hasn't seen anything of Saga yet, and hopefully he now understands what to do having watched him play today for Swansea. If he doesn't change it come Saturday, I will be inclined to perhaps agree with you, but for now as usual Alpine, you're already on the managers back and plaguing us with your everlasting negativity...

 

...You are the one who should be pitied.

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You call him sad??? You're the one being incredibly negative. Disregarding the results around us, a point at Norwich was extremely good, and we can take positives from some outstanding individual performances. All we need to do now is to radically improve at home (which I think is easily managable) and we will be laughing.

 

Furthermore, a huge positive was that Saganowski scored again. If Wotte can realise his potential as a top quality goal scorer, things should pick up for his providing he maintains his form.

 

If he continues to persistently ignore the obvious solutions, then you can get on his back, but moaning after his substitions won us a point in his first game at Norwich is madness.

 

But go on, keep moaning.

 

Who put in the 'outstanding individual performances'? From what I heard the best performances came from:

 

Saga - should NEVER have been left on the bench

 

Kayne - a much better player than Smith, who started ahead of him

 

Kelvin - YET AGAIN

 

and possibly Seijs.

 

I will say once again, I wonder what the result would have been had we started with Saga, McLaggon and Euell (who saved us the one point with his last minute clearance off the line) and in a 4-4-2 formation?

 

Yes, this was Wotte's first game in charge. But many, like you, are saying this as if he hadn't been all season.

 

For crying out loud, he said only YESTERDAY that our problem has been too many young players and not enough quality up front, then he goes and leaves Saga and Euell on the bench, no Rudi or BWP in the squad, and plays virtually the same players that he himself said had been our problem!

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Derby and Doncaster both have a game in hand on us too which just makes needing a win today even more vital. The draw favours Norwich more then us because they are ahead of us and keep the same gap. We needed to claw points back against them.

 

If you also look at Forest your see they are now 6 points ahead of us. To get that gap they had to win 4 of their last 5 league games and go on a only one loss in last 9 to get there. If we are to survive that is the type of run we need. That shows just how hard it is now going to be to survive.

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Im not worried about any other team as its only up to us now.

 

Great comeback and I can only hope the team carry it over to saturday.

 

They always say win the home games and get a point away from home is the sort of form to get you auto promotion.

 

 

So far, so good.

 

 

Nice one Wottie.

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Oh shut up Alpine will you? It's a good point. Do you ever give credit? Considering you dont go to games you've got an awful lot to say......nearly 7500 posts!!! 90% moans I expect.

 

Don't be ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

99%.

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FFS some people on here need to get a grip.

 

 

Some basic facts:

 

A draw away from home is a good result, not a great result but a good one.

 

Our away form has been pretty good - better than any of our rivals - so on paper why change the tactics for the away games when it's home games we're suffering in.

 

When these tactics didn't work Wotte changed things around and we came back into the game.

 

Marek had scored 1 in 2, McGoldrick 2 in 4 (Man Ure aside). Not that much between them on form. This season Marek before today had scored 4 in 15 while McG had 9 in 32 - practically identical, in fact slighty favouring David. Whilst I agree Saga should have started it's not nearly as clear cut as people are trying to make out.

 

Please get a sense of perspective! We need to turn around our home games, it's going to be easier to do that if we're supporting the team rather than calling for the manager's head.

 

fair points, Wotte clearly explained DMG selection on the radio, hard choice etc, formation tight away wanted pace for the break hence DMG but Saga will start next game

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Just got back, lots and lots and lots of fun tonight. Second half was smashing, playing 442 really made a difference. Saga had a cracker but second half not many people put a foot wrong. Lloyd James look quite accomplished going forwards at times and Kayne Mclaggon is soooooo fast he made the Norwich left back look a tit the first few times he had a run at him.

People slating DMG should consider that he has been playing up front on his todd all season, stick him up front WITH Saga for a few games and I am certain they will both start scoring goals.

The problems in the first half, apart from a lack of creativity, was the midfield just was not functioning and we ended up putting ourselves under a lot of pressure. Gillet and Wotton both looked a bit dodge, Wotton always looks like he needs more time on the ball and Gillet has stopped doing the simple things well like he did towards the start of the season. Stick Euell in there with either one of them and they look more composed.

I hate to say it, but after the second half I am actually looking forward to Saturday with a bit of optimism.

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Some thoughts

 

McLaggon played well by all accounts. BUT remember, he IS young and he WILL be inconsistent (look at the "praise" for Gobern after Preston aas an example)

 

It doesn't matter one jot what the line up was or what happened before with JP here.

 

The ONLY thing that matters is that we get RESULTS from now on in. AND as far as results are concerned, Wotte will be in charge on Saturday so we have to cope with that!

 

As .comsaint says, that means WINNING our home games and a LOT of them (not every single one but a LOT of them) because we need 54 points at least again.

 

Wotte got out of jail last night by getting a draw, that IS important after the last week because for the PLAYERS it will help to build some confidence because if we'd continued to play like we had UP until halftime, we could have been slaughtered and we MAY never have recovered from it.

 

One critical thing that happened for the FIRST time this season is that we had a manager who changed things around during the game (into something that resembled a proper football formation) AND got a result from it.

 

In the job of getting to 54 points or more, picking up a point at Norwich is a START. IF we get to that figure we should be safe as teams around us will be playing each other and taking points off each other. Even IF all of us at the bottom go on a run, we will bring other clubs into the mess as we all take points off them

 

So again, EVERYTHING comes down to one simple fact.

 

Did Wotte LEARN anything tonight? He tried to play a variation of the Ted Rogers formation, it did not work again. He had two days of training to experiment with it - message - IT DIDN'T WORK, and it looks damned sure that even with 2 months to experiment, IT WON'T WORK.

 

If he HAS learnt then we stand a chance of getting to that points tally. Use 4-4-2, use Saga and possibly Euell for Wotton (by the sounds of it) and BY ALL MEANS use 4-5-1 IF you need a plan B.

 

BUT if he hasn't learnt then we really are in the sh*t.

 

Anyway sod football for a few days - 5 days of golf to work at now - better for the anger management skills!

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Just got back, lots and lots and lots of fun tonight. Second half was smashing, playing 442 really made a difference. Saga had a cracker but second half not many people put a foot wrong. Lloyd James look quite accomplished going forwards at times and Kayne Mclaggon is soooooo fast he made the Norwich left back look a tit the first few times he had a run at him.

People slating DMG should consider that he has been playing up front on his todd all season, stick him up front WITH Saga for a few games and I am certain they will both start scoring goals.

The problems in the first half, apart from a lack of creativity, was the midfield just was not functioning and we ended up putting ourselves under a lot of pressure. Gillet and Wotton both looked a bit dodge, Wotton always looks like he needs more time on the ball and Gillet has stopped doing the simple things well like he did towards the start of the season. Stick Euell in there with either one of them and they look more composed.

I hate to say it, but after the second half I am actually looking forward to Saturday with a bit of optimism.

 

 

 

Well done to you and others that went! I was more than happy with one point and look forward to Swansea. Tough nut to crack but we have to start winning at home sometime.

Lets get behind the team during the game.

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Ah well, in that case, lets just give up, lie down and sink into administration shall we?

 

Nevertheless, he soon enough changed it, and gave us enough time to rescue a point- he was willing to change it and it worked. As somebody has already mentioned, he hasn't seen anything of Saga yet, and hopefully he now understands what to do having watched him play today for Swansea. If he doesn't change it come Saturday, I will be inclined to perhaps agree with you, but for now as usual Alpine, you're already on the managers back and plaguing us with your everlasting negativity...

 

...You are the one who should be pitied.

 

Saganowski played for Swansea? When? I must have missed that one.

 

But seriously, you reckon that it is an excuse that Wotte hasn't seen Saganowski play? You're joking, right? Or didn't you realise that there is such a thing as doing a bit of preparation by watching videos of a player before playing him? I would expect that he also did some preparation along the same lines on Norwich.

 

As for the change of formation, why did he start the JP way and why did he change to 4-4-2? Can we now expect that the Dutch style "total" football is dead in the water, although Wotte's experience in playing the 4-4-2 formation is probably nil.

 

Alpine is permitted to express his opinion on Wotte based on him being JP's subordinate and having seen several months of failure to beat the teams around us, especially at home. We will see how Wotte fares against Swansea on Saturday. If he can get a home win and double JP's achievements in a stroke, then that will be something. Otherwise, Alpine and many others are quite understandly nervous that we are messing about with Dutch nobodies instead of getting in an experienced British manager before it is too late.

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For crying out loud, he said only YESTERDAY that our problem has been too many young players and not enough quality up front, then he goes and leaves Saga and Euell on the bench, no Rudi or BWP in the squad, and plays virtually the same players that he himself said had been our problem!

 

I'll excuse the BWP sentiment, but yes, this is particularly inexplicable, unless the answer is schizophrenia.

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Well, it was always going to be a disaster leaving out Euell, Saga, Skacel and BWP. Bringing 2 of them on saved our bascon, but I doubt we'll get away with that every time.

 

If anything can be learned from this evening.

 

PLAY MAREK MIROSLAW SAGANOWSKI

 

(Rupert, he's the black haired one with the Polish accent who didn't stay up past his bedtime playing this evening.)

 

Well Said!!! Marek is the one player i think that can keep us up this season if they bring back Rasiak and partner those 2 together i think we have a good chance.

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This result was a f**king disaster.

 

Saints, the only team in the bottom 6 to have changed manager, not getting a managerial change bounce.

 

I knew deep-down we were going to be relegated from the PL when Redknapp failed to beat Middlesbrough in his first game.

 

I feel exactly the same now, I've realised.........

 

Have you ever, ever had anything positive to add to any discussion?

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Seen the goals and thought Lloyd James cross was superb.it was nice to see the players celebrate with a real gusto as well.

Saga took the chance well.I dont think he is the bees knees but will him on to prove me wrong." up front saturday against a good swansea side will be a real test.Here's hoping.

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Gobsmacked at the lengths some people will go to to justify their support of Lowe.

 

Support for Lowe? You must be joking.

 

Support for the new head coach? He's just had a better start than Gordon Strachan did (drawing at home to Ipswich) - are you saying we should have turned against Strachan then? Or maybe we should have turned against WGS after he lost the next match to Everton? Wotte has my support for the moment.

 

Support for Southampton? Always, irrespective of chairman, managers or results. Unlike you Alps I'm actually a fan rather than a sneering outsider.

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Seen the goals and thought Lloyd James cross was superb.it was nice to see the players celebrate with a real gusto as well.

Saga took the chance well.I dont think he is the bees knees but will him on to prove me wrong." up front saturday against a good swansea side will be a real test.Here's hoping.

 

You got a link to where we can see the goals

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Support for the new head coach? He's just had a better start than Gordon Strachan did (drawing at home to Ipswich) - are you saying we should have turned against Strachan then? Or maybe we should have turned against WGS after he lost the next match to Everton? Wotte has my support for the moment.

 

Support for Southampton? Always, irrespective of chairman, managers or results. Unlike you Alps I'm actually a fan rather than a sneering outsider.

 

Was WGS a fresh-in manager, or the assistant coach in a failed management with a failed strategy pushed up to the role with "mixed feelings", do remind me....

 

And people like you who support the status quo, irrespective the personnel involved, are part of the problem, not the solution...

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You just dont get it, do you ?

 

Wotte was NOT a new manager, fresh in. He was the assitant in the regime that has been declared very publicly to not be working.

 

He knows the players, the tactics, the restrictions under which JP was working, has been involved in match preparation and the post mortems after matches. He has also watched the season unfold.

 

Therefore, his line-up tonight was unforgivable, and at half-time we got the same story we've had a dozen times this season.

 

As far as I am concerned, if he f**ks the team selection up for Swansea, or plays only one up front against them, his fate is sealed.

 

That was a winnable game last night, but two points dropped by a dire team selection. One up front, the wrong one, Lallana and Smith in midfield both superficial showboaters, no threat or substance, No Skacel, you can't tell me he doesn't rate a place in at least four positions in this team.

 

The formation selected along with the lightweight midfield surrendered the initiative to Norwich for the first half. 4-4-2 was a no brainer, the manager wants a kick up the backside.

 

Fair play to McGoldrick, sounds lke he worked hard. As Dyer won't be back this season, if at all, Go for a bit of muscle over style. Davis James Perry Saeijs Surman McLaggon Wotton Euell Skacel Saganowski McGoldrick in a 4-4-2 would be worth a try for Saturday.

 

Boy were we lucky, crap corner, straight to a Norwich player, poor clearance, shot straight at goalkeeper deflected. Very good Saganowski goal, from a quality bending James cross.

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Ah well, in that case, lets just give up, lie down and sink into administration shall we?

 

Nevertheless, he soon enough changed it, and gave us enough time to rescue a point- he was willing to change it and it worked. As somebody has already mentioned, he hasn't seen anything of Saga yet, and hopefully he now understands what to do having watched him play today for Swansea. If he doesn't change it come Saturday, I will be inclined to perhaps agree with you, but for now as usual Alpine, you're already on the managers back and plaguing us with your everlasting negativity...

 

...You are the one who should be pitied.

 

He has been to all the matches this season and seen Saganowski in the last two games. Also in preseason and I bet he saw the Champions league games on tv. Saganowski up front with McGoldrick was a no brainer.

 

The first half team selection was incompetent, and where was Skacel.

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It sounds like he was being undermined left right and centre. I liked the man, it's a shame he wasn't flexible enough to change things at home.

 

In any event as soon as a chairman is threatened by fans the manager is in trouble. It sounds like he wasn't getting the support he had a right to expect.

 

It's a shame he didn't go public about the whole saga and dare Lowe to sack him. That would have kicked off a real riot amongst the fans.

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The one up front formation has been working away from home.

 

Wotte tried it last night.

 

He had a plan B he had already gone over with the team if it didn't work out.

 

We went two down.

 

He brought on two subs, who both scored and we drew.

 

The other sub cleared off the goal line.

 

Even Dave Merrington who very negative about this set up complimented his tactics, half time changes and the balance on the bench.

 

He clearly explained his decisions in post match interview, saying DMG was opted for as in that formation he has better physical attributes but it was a tough decision.

 

He accepted it was wrong and will play both on Saturday.

 

All fairly reasonable! Sure if he was some English manager we would be saying so far so good!

 

Saturday is the test tho

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