alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Let's be honest...that's HONEST...for a moment. Who - this afternoon - would have taken a draw tonight? And then who - at half time & 2-0 down - would STILL have taken a draw tonight? I already know my answer. The fact that other sides around us picked up points is clouding the judgement of some. A draw away at Norwich is NOT a bad result in itself. It's the HOME games we have to start winning. This comment is synonimous with why this club already has one foot in the Third Division. No drive No ambition No expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Quote from Sky fella at the Swansea game: "Dyer has torn Preston apart this evening" WTF ?? We're sh1t, we can't win for toffy, we have a non-existant midfield with no natural width.....and arguably one of our far better players is loaned out to one of our competitors?? I can understand the John move because he's probably on a fair whack but I can't imagine Dyer commanding much of a salary. Dyer loaned out, Saga on the bench, Skacel not even in the squad....it's not fu(king rocket science, what the hell is going on??? Dyer was a disruptive influence. He likes to disrupt the opposition... Not good for morale that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Well bugger me. I turned off at HT and fully expected it to say Norwich 4-0 Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Let's be honest...that's HONEST...for a moment. Who - this afternoon - would have taken a draw tonight? And then who - at half time & 2-0 down - would STILL have taken a draw tonight? I already know my answer. The fact that other sides around us picked up points is clouding the judgement of some. A draw away at Norwich is NOT a bad result in itself. It's the HOME games we have to start winning. certainly not this afternoon but at half time yes, thanks to a terrible start. 45 minutes played without a single shot, on or off target, is not good. I personally think Wotte was lucky tonight, the question is can he carry on getting lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Well bugger me. Your place or mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Don't know how to feel about this one. Good character to come back from 2 down but yet another poor first half. We have to build on this however and push on. 3 points against Swansea would be a massive boost. Here's hoping that Wotte has learnt something tonight. Play 4-4-2 with the likes of Saga, Euell and Skacel in the side. My thoughts exactly. We did considerably better with an experienced backbone in the side and two up front. We were totally nondescript in the first half with the typical Poortvliet formation of one up front. What was Wotte thinking leaving out Saganowski from the starting line-up and why wasn't Scacel playing too? As Merrington pointed out, with McLaggan on the left and Dyer on the right, we would have two fast wide players to get behind defences. To be fair to McGoldrick, seemingly his work rate was good tonight and he covered well defensively too. But what a difference playing 4-4-2 made. Perhaps that caught Norwich on the hop, as Poortvliet was incapable of playing that formation and Wotte had started out with a typical Poortvliet formation, so that Norwich assumed that we were incapable of changing it. Let's carry it on with Swansea and also play Saga, Scacel and Euell to give us some beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Let's be honest...that's HONEST...for a moment. Who - this afternoon - would have taken a draw tonight? And then who - at half time & 2-0 down - would STILL have taken a draw tonight? I already know my answer. The fact that other sides around us picked up points is clouding the judgement of some. A draw away at Norwich is NOT a bad result in itself. It's the HOME games we have to start winning. Fair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Dyer was a disruptive influence. He likes to disrupt the opposition... Not good for morale that. Spot on. Dyer's always been toss for us. Good luck to the lad if he makes it elsewhere, i've my doubts, but his heart isn't here for whatever reason and you can't really blame the manager cos it's been the same story for all 5 he's had here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 certainly not this afternoon but at half time yes, thanks to a terrible start. 45 minutes played without a single shot, on or off target, is not good. I personally think Wotte was lucky tonight, the question is can he carry on getting lucky? Holmes injury and McGlaggon on followed by Saga maybe the way Wotte got lucky.....Lets hope he does not have to rely on luck Saturday...Must beat the Swans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Let's be honest...that's HONEST...for a moment. Who - this afternoon - would have taken a draw tonight? And then who - at half time & 2-0 down - would STILL have taken a draw tonight? I already know my answer. The fact that other sides around us picked up points is clouding the judgement of some. A draw away at Norwich is NOT a bad result in itself. It's the HOME games we have to start winning. I think you are right in that pre-game a point would have been viewed as a good result. However, once the team selection was made public, I would think everybody's hearts sank into their boots, and the first half became an entirely predictable charade. From the half-time position 2-2 is definitely a point gained, but what if we were 3 or 4 down, which without KD ( AGAIN !!! ) we could have been. We got out of jail tonight, but nothing actually seems to have changed with regard to selection, tactics, or motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 This comment is synonimous with why this club already has one foot in the Third Division. No drive No ambition No expectation. lol - in your mind perhaps. A draw & a point away from home in this division (to add to an already-decent away points haul thus far) is not bad going whichever way you look at it. Once again I will say; It's our HOME form that's been disasterous & which is the reason we are where we are - NOT our away form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Let's be honest...that's HONEST...for a moment. Who - this afternoon - would have taken a draw tonight? And then who - at half time & 2-0 down - would STILL have taken a draw tonight? I already know my answer. The fact that other sides around us picked up points is clouding the judgement of some. A draw away at Norwich is NOT a bad result in itself. It's the HOME games we have to start winning. If it's honesty you want, why not ask tWotte why he was less than honest when he said he would play a different system? He didn't and we got d*cked in the first half. He put Saga on in a 4-4-2, within 10 minutes we look a threat and score and then we ended up drawing - through a Saga goal. I think there are some people who are not being HONEST with themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Holmes injury and McGlaggon on followed by Saga maybe the way Wotte got lucky.....Lets hope he does not have to rely on luck Saturday...Must beat the Swans. Now now, you are not allowed to say 'Must Win ' game on here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 I reckon we will find out from the Echo or the OS tonight or tomorrow that "Saga is not 100% fit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Let's be honest...that's HONEST...for a moment. Who - this afternoon - would have taken a draw tonight? And then who - at half time & 2-0 down - would STILL have taken a draw tonight? I already know my answer. The fact that other sides around us picked up points is clouding the judgement of some. A draw away at Norwich is NOT a bad result in itself. It's the HOME games we have to start winning. good point - won't get through the deflector shields of many though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 lol - in your mind perhaps. A draw & a point away from home in this division (to add to an already-decent away points haul thus far) is not bad going whichever way you look at it. Once again I will say; It's our HOME form that's been disasterous & which is the reason we are where we are - NOT our away form. And you think we'll turn it around at home?? Which makes tonight's selection and approach bamboozling. In any other season this would be a fair result. But under a new manager, new start, same old same old, concede two and THEN start playing. What's wrong with the motivation?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 I reckon we will find out from the Echo or the OS tonight or tomorrow that "Saga is not 100% fit" International Clearance to enter Norwich was not received until half-time, my sources tell me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Now now, you are not allowed to say 'Must Win ' game on here!! Sorry,,,Its a definitely have to win at all costs..No prisoners taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 We have to win saturday, I can see it happening, Swansea are due a defeat , and we are long overdue a home win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 International Clearance to enter Norwich was not received until half-time, my sources tell me hehehehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Just out of curiosity - did anyone else listening to RH commentary hear Will Cope call Hoolahan "hula-hoop" in the first half? Left me and the nipper helpless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Sorry,,,Its a definitely have to win at all costs..No prisoners taken. LIKE IT!!!!! Have to win, very clever!!!!............would be good though!! Oh ****, you have got me doing it now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 In a minute I am going to set fire to my bed. When my wife starts screaming, I shall throw a bucket of water over it. And wait for the gratitude blow job... What a fantastic analogy!! I can understand people being being happy that we got a point tonight, and especially so after being 2-0. I am happy about that! But, how some can say Wotte a great job the manager (sorry, head coach) did tonight is beyond me. All we have heard from him the last few days is that 'we have been playing too many youngsters' and 'our strikers are not quite good enough' (no sh!t Sherlock). Then, when he gets a chance to do something about this, He picks almost exactly the same team we would have expected from JP. Saga, our only experienced fwd who also scored the last time out, left on the bench; Euell on the bench; no Skacel in the squad; no BWP in the squad; Holmes goes off injured in the first half, does he bring the experienced Saga or Euell on? No, he brings another kid on (one who just happens to be better than a few who had started mind you - so why didn't Kayne start instead of Smith or DMG?). IMO, Wotte was totally responsible for us being 2-0 at half time, WITHOUT HAVING HAD A SINGLE SHOT ON GOAL IN RESPONSE. Yes, after some subs, we snatched a point. But maybe we would have had all three, AS THOSE AROUND US AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TABLE GOT TONIGHT, if he had started with a decent line-up in the first place. I certainly hope that Wotte has learned his lesson. I hope that on Saturday we play 4-4-2 with this line-up: ------------------------Davis-------------------------- James-------Perry----------Size------------Molyneux McLaggon-----Euell---------Surman--------Skacel --------------------Saga--------BWP------------------ But I sincerely doubt it will look anything like that. At the very least he had better start Saga, and hopefully Euell too (especially after his clearance off the line earned us that one measey tonight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Sorry,,,Its a definitely have to win at all costs..No prisoners taken. Doesn`t matter what type of win you call it we just don`t get any.. Lowe out Wilde out All the dutch crap out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 I reckon we will find out from the Echo or the OS tonight or tomorrow that "Saga is not 100% fit" I'm surpised a man of your obvious intelligence hadn't already considered that may, in fact, be the truth of the matter. Or it may not. TBH it doesn't really matter as you'll slag off anything and everything. Good job we didn't let a 2 goal lead slip tonight or there wouldhave been carnage on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Quote from Sky fella at the Swansea game: "Dyer has torn Preston apart this evening" WTF ?? We're sh1t, we can't win for toffy, we have a non-existant midfield with no natural width.....and arguably one of our far better players is loaned out to one of our competitors?? I can understand the John move because he's probably on a fair whack but I can't imagine Dyer commanding much of a salary. Dyer loaned out, Saga on the bench, Skacel not even in the squad....it's not fu(king rocket science, what the hell is going on??? Maybe Dyer is benefitting from a run of games, playing with better players and a better manager who knows how to organise and motivate players etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Fandango Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 This comment is synonimous with why this club already has one foot in the Third Division. No drive No ambition No expectation. It shows a sense of understanding of the position we are in and the reality of it. I'm sorry for you if all you can see is the bad in everything I really do. Obviously our result tonight disappointed you, a loss would no doubt have pleased you more and fuelled your self righteous hate. Get a grip mush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 I'm surpised a man of your obvious intelligence hadn't already considered that may, in fact, be the truth of the matter. Or it may not. TBH it doesn't really matter as you'll slag off anything and everything. Good job we didn't let a 2 goal lead slip tonight or there wouldhave been carnage on here. TBF we were never going to be in a position to let a 2 goal slip with that first half line up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Obviously our result tonight disappointed you, a loss would no doubt have pleased you more and fuelled your self righteous hate. Oh, do grow up. And dont call me mush. It's Austrian slang for a woman's front-bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 And dont call me mush. It's Austrian slang for a woman's front-bottom. Really? I thought that would've been called an 'Alpy'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Oh, do grow up. And dont call me mush. It's Austrian slang for a woman's front-bottom. In that case were Rupert Mush and Michael Mush at the game tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 We have to win saturday, I can see it happening, Swansea are due a defeat , and we are long overdue a home win. Wish I could share your positivity, Swansea are the form club at the moment 4-1 winners tonight too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Oh, do grow up. And dont call me mush. It's Austrian slang for a woman's front-bottom. I thought that was Kuntz - or was he German? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Very pleased for Mclaggon though! Looks a good prospect, genuine pace, start him AND Saga on sat! He'll be up for sale then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Well, it was always going to be a disaster leaving out Euell, Saga, Skacel and BWP. Bringing 2 of them on saved our bascon, but I doubt we'll get away with that every time. If anything can be learned from this evening. PLAY MAREK MIROSLAW SAGANOWSKI (Rupert, he's the black haired one with the Polish accent who didn't stay up past his bedtime playing this evening.) Didn't you know Rupert has earmarked him to be loaned back out so dn't get to excited!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 FFS some people on here need to get a grip. Some basic facts: A draw away from home is a good result, not a great result but a good one. Our away form has been pretty good - better than any of our rivals - so on paper why change the tactics for the away games when it's home games we're suffering in. When these tactics didn't work Wotte changed things around and we came back into the game. Marek had scored 1 in 2, McGoldrick 2 in 4 (Man Ure aside). Not that much between them on form. This season Marek before today had scored 4 in 15 while McG had 9 in 32 - practically identical, in fact slighty favouring David. Whilst I agree Saga should have started it's not nearly as clear cut as people are trying to make out. Please get a sense of perspective! We need to turn around our home games, it's going to be easier to do that if we're supporting the team rather than calling for the manager's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 There's one inviolable rule in football... Always play your best team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Unacceptable. He is not "new" he has been at the club and working with these players, and watching our performances ALL season. As has been said countless times on here since before the weekend, every attempt to promote from within at this club has been an unmitigated disaster...... Oh shut up Alpine will you? It's a good point. Do you ever give credit? Considering you dont go to games you've got an awful lot to say......nearly 7500 posts!!! 90% moans I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 FFS some people on here need to get a grip. Some basic facts: A draw away from home is a good result, not a great result but a good one. Our away form has been pretty good - better than any of our rivals - so on paper why change the tactics for the away games when it's home games we're suffering in. When these tactics didn't work Wotte changed things around and we came back into the game. Marek had scored 1 in 2, McGoldrick 2 in 4 (Man Ure aside). Not that much between them on form. This season Marek before today had scored 4 in 15 while McG had 9 in 32 - practically identical, in fact slighty favouring David. Whilst I agree Saga should have started it's not nearly as clear cut as people are trying to make out. Please get a sense of perspective! We need to turn around our home games, it's going to be easier to do that if we're supporting the team rather than calling for the manager's head. He scored 8. The one at Derby was Lallana's. Of those 8, 2 were against none League Exeter and one was a penalty (he missed another). And Saga had 6 in 15 before today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 good draw pity we still got the same old whingers still moaning even if we draw or win as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Let's be honest...that's HONEST...for a moment. Who - this afternoon - would have taken a draw tonight? And then who - at half time & 2-0 down - would STILL have taken a draw tonight? I already know my answer. The fact that other sides around us picked up points is clouding the judgement of some. A draw away at Norwich is NOT a bad result in itself. It's the HOME games we have to start winning.I agree a point away is good, but that doesnt detract from the p!$$ poor first half team selection. NOW DOES IT! think of what could of been, with the 2nd half team playing the whole game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 FFS some people on here need to get a grip. Some basic facts: A draw away from home is a good result, not a great result but a good one. Our away form has been pretty good - better than any of our rivals - so on paper why change the tactics for the away games when it's home games we're suffering in. When these tactics didn't work Wotte changed things around and we came back into the game. Marek had scored 1 in 2, McGoldrick 2 in 4 (Man Ure aside). Not that much between them on form. This season Marek before today had scored 4 in 15 while McG had 9 in 32 - practically identical, in fact slighty favouring David. Whilst I agree Saga should have started it's not nearly as clear cut as people are trying to make out. Please get a sense of perspective! We need to turn around our home games, it's going to be easier to do that if we're supporting the team rather than calling for the manager's head. good post it sums some of these whingers up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 good draw pity we still got the same old whingers still moaning even if we draw or win as usual. Dont you mean draw or lose?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSparky Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Serious credit is due to the lads for the fightback tonight. However the only thing that actually mattered tonight was the end result and yet again we have failed to do the required job in a relegation six pointer. Sure a draw is better than losing but it is still not good enough. Onwards to Swansea, a game where most neutrals will have a bolt on away win in their minds; lets hope we cause a shock and end this abject run at St Mary's. Come on you Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Usual load of garbage and a very lucky escape. Now it's pick any 11 from 20 time, b*gg*r having a plan or a best eleven. Relegation will be a blessed relief on this showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 good post it sums some of these whingers up When are we officially allowed to start whinging? Relegation? Administration? League one? League two? Rupert still here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 The BBC calls it a fine draw and I think that's about right under the circumstances. If the crowd gets fully behind the team on Saturday there can be only one result. It's as much up to us as it is the team on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehagman Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 As I see it, we got one unexpected point this evening. It was a great comeback from behind, and it should boost the morale in the squad. Hopefully our coach draw some conclusions of why the team performed so much better in the second half than in the first. (Playing 2 forwards, playing experienced players and quite simply playing better players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Oh shut up Alpine will you? It's a good point. Do you ever give credit? Considering you dont go to games you've got an awful lot to say......nearly 7500 posts!!! 90% moans I expect. I give credit where its due. Wotte threw the game away with shiite starting line-up. I am not going to toss off of over the fact that he managed to correct his very amateurish mistakes eventually. If he couldnt do that, it would be immediately apparent he is the wrong man for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 As I see it, we got one unexpected point this evening. Sorry mate, dont know you from Adam, but I find it tragic that there are many people like you thinking that. Most other teams changing their manager win their first game, for heavens sake..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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