St Mary's Stadium

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

20 hours ago, sfc4prem said:

Just need to overcome the boring, moaning old codgers that see it as 'noddy', 'tinpot' or 'embarrassing'.

Many have as there's only around 40 seats left scattered around blocks 45 and 46, which will soon be gone, all other Northam blocks sold out.

[Gingeletiss]

On 15/05/2024 at 13:50, Pamplemousse said:

Ah I see, cheers.

Yeah with you with drums. Imagine being next to it, must be horrific.

That'll lead us down to a slippery slope of megaphones...

And bells!!!!!!!

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Many have as there's only around 40 seats left scattered around blocks 45 and 46, which will soon be gone, all other Northam blocks sold out.

That's incredible really. Even I didn't expect the demand to be this high, I was hoping to be able to get tickets there in the games i'm able to do next season but looks like I won't. 

[sfc4prem]

3 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

That's incredible really. Even I didn't expect the demand to be this high, I was hoping to be able to get tickets there in the games i'm able to do next season but looks like I won't. 

I'm sure you will, there'll be the odd pocket of seats here and there.

[Saint In Cornwall]

2 hours ago, sfc4prem said:

I'm sure you will, there'll be the odd pocket of seats here and there.

Also there may be some existing season ticket holders who won't renew........

[Saint_clark]

2 hours ago, Saint In Cornwall said:

Also there may be some existing season ticket holders who won't renew........

Fair point, does the safe standing go all the way to the front?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

Fair point, does the safe standing go all the way to the front?

No. Just the rear thirteen rows or so.

[Whitey Grandad]

Are all clubs offering safe standing? I was at Bournemouth’s Vitality stadium last week and they have installed railings on the upper nine rows of their north stand and also in the visitors section.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

40 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No. Just the rear thirteen rows or so.

The entire Northam is now safe-standing top to bottom - just looked again, and now saying none available. 

Single tickets have suddenly appeared in some blocks over the past few weeks as I guess some may have relocated but as it stand this afternoon, now sold out.

[Whitey Grandad]

7 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

The entire Northam is now safe-standing top to bottom - just looked again, and now saying none available. 

Single tickets have suddenly appeared in some blocks over the past few weeks as I guess some may have relocated but as it stand this afternoon, now sold out.

Are the rails only in the upper rows?

[Wade Garrett]

I like the drums, a few trumpets would be good and a harp would be amazing.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

14 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Are the rails only in the upper rows?

Sorry Whitey couldn't respond as used up my 3 posts - upper rows only til end of season, now being installed all the way down, All safe-standing, must be around 6,000 in the Northam plus some in the new away section.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

Sorry Whitey couldn't respond as used up my 3 posts - upper rows only til end of season, now being installed all the way down, All safe-standing, must be around 6,000 in the Northam plus some in the new away section.

Thanks. Does this mean that those without rails will not be allowed to stand?

Yeah, right.

[stevegrant]

On 13/05/2024 at 14:09, franniesTache said:

I actually can't wait for this lot to appear, i reckon it's going to be proper comedy

This aged well

[OldNick]

26 minutes ago, stevegrant said:

This aged well

massive egg and faces moment lol

[The Cat]

19 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I like the drums, a few trumpets would be good and a harp would be amazing.

Just laughed at the prospect of someone turning up and trying to get a harp in the ground.

Presumably it's not mentioned on the sign outside the turnstiles which lists prohibited items.

[franniesTache]

1 hour ago, stevegrant said:

This aged well

they still haven't appeared yet though, unless the northam was all saints this friday and i didn't notice...

[LaptopSaint]

On 13/05/2024 at 07:54, Turkish said:

@franniesTache look forward to seeing you at the Ted Bates statue at 6. Let’s hope there aren’t too many away fans this time. Got my foam hands ready to give the boys a rousing reception 

Honestly mush, kids today eh? No respect for tradition. 
 

Why can’t they just go down the Painted Wagon, have a few beers, fight the ICF down by the station, go to the game, have a few more beers, go down Top Rank, have another fight, throw up, have more beers and then go home?

Anything else is just embarrassing. 

 

 

[AlexLaw76]

On 13/05/2024 at 14:09, franniesTache said:

I actually can't wait for this lot to appear, i reckon it's going to be proper comedy, they're talking about printing out "hymn sheets" and the flag designs they've made are original ted bates statue levels of pure shit.

I mean imagine waving flags with a twitter account on it and something saying what the name of the stand is 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 

Thoughts, FranniesTache?

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, LaptopSaint said:

Honestly mush, kids today eh? No respect for tradition. 
 

Why can’t they just go down the Painted Wagon, have a few beers, fight the ICF down by the station, go to the game, have a few more beers, go down Top Rank, have another fight, throw up, have more beers and then go home?

Anything else is just embarrassing. 

 

 

agreed. 

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, The Cat said:

Just laughed at the prospect of someone turning up and trying to get a harp in the ground.

Presumably it's not mentioned on the sign outside the turnstiles which lists prohibited items.

this is why we need a designated area for the rainbow saints, they'd get a harp in the ground no problem. 

[Turkish]

Northam standing area Sold out. Just wait until all the Leeds fans cancel their direct debits….

[ChrisPY]

On 20/05/2024 at 18:55, Turkish said:

this is why we need a designated area for the rainbow saints, they'd get a harp in the ground no problem. 

Would have thought they’d find a flute easier to sneak in.

[Saint_clark]

10 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

Would have thought they’d find a flute easier to sneak in.

Some of them could get a digeridoo in. 

[John Boy Saint]

On 20/05/2024 at 18:45, LaptopSaint said:

Honestly mush, kids today eh? No respect for tradition. 
 

Why can’t they just go down the Painted Wagon, have a few beers, fight the ICF down by the station, go to the game, have a few more beers, go down Top Rank, have another fight, throw up, have more beers and then go home?

Anything else is just embarrassing. 

 

 

If the original ICF members turned up for a scrap today our yoof would be running home to Mummy.

[SaintsLoyal]

More booing the players next season then 🎣

[Nordic Saint]

The Northam is going to be absolutely brilliant next season. 

[moorw003]

I umm'ed and ahh'ed over whether to get an ST next year in Nirtham.  Absolutely stoked I did now  😀 

[JRM]

This development is quite interesting in the context of land around the stadium and I think could also be relevant in the decision to move away fans away from what could soon become a building site 

 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24350849.plans-380-homes-former-gasworks-southampton-set-approval/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[JRM]

I expect this may be one of the reasons the club were allowed / encouraged to change the access route for away fans at St Mary's 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24350849.plans-380-homes-former-gasworks-southampton-set-approval/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, JRM said:

This development is quite interesting in the context of land around the stadium and I think could also be relevant in the decision to move away fans away from what could soon become a building site 

 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24350849.plans-380-homes-former-gasworks-southampton-set-approval/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Not a hope in hell!

Quote

The proposed housing mix is 186 one-bed and 198 two-bed flats although there will be no affordable housing as part of the development.

 

[Nolan]

Seeing as this is recommended for approval, its worth noting that developers behind this are Groner Developments owned by Christoph Groner.

CG Elementum is one of his companies. and sponsors Hertha Berlin.

Pure absolute speculation, but a partnership for development around the stadium would surely be symbiotic. 

[Nolan]

27 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

  Quote

The proposed housing mix is 186 one-bed and 198 two-bed flats although there will be no affordable housing as part of the development.

If a viability assessment deems that the scheme would not be viable if affordable housing is in the scheme, then the plans can still be granted as the City needs housing provision. A net benefit of 400 properties within the city is better than 0 extra properties within the City.

There will more than likely be a stipulation that it is affordable housing viability is triple checked before a final agreement between the City and the developer is signed.

[SaintBobby]

Hate the term "affordable" housing...wish they'd just stipulate a price point. (Ultimately, all housing tends to be "affordable" for someone or no one would build it)

[Saint Fan CaM]

On 29/05/2024 at 08:17, SaintBobby said:

Hate the term "affordable" housing...wish they'd just stipulate a price point. (Ultimately, all housing tends to be "affordable" for someone or no one would build it)

I’ve always understood “affordable housing” to mean publicly owned rented housing…what in my time was once called ‘council houses’.  This made them ‘affordable’. They’re typically not so readily available to younger families nowadays thanks to the Tories introducing “Right to Buy” so they either fall into tenant private ownership or property developers buy up the houses and then rent them out themselves at higher rates.

[SaintBobby]

8 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’ve always understood “affordable housing” to mean publicly owned rented housing…what in my time was once called ‘council houses’.  This made them ‘affordable’. They’re typically not so readily available to younger families nowadays thanks to the Tories introducing “Right to Buy” so they either fall into tenant private ownership or property developers buy up the houses and then rent them out themselves at higher rates.

I don't think it has to be state owned, just comparatively cheap.

[VectisSaint]

7 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I’ve always understood “affordable housing” to mean publicly owned rented housing…what in my time was once called ‘council houses’.  This made them ‘affordable’. They’re typically not so readily available to younger families nowadays thanks to the Tories introducing “Right to Buy” so they either fall into tenant private ownership or property developers buy up the houses and then rent them out themselves at higher rates.

Affordable housing can mean various things both for ownership and rental, but examples are shared ownership, first time buyer discounted etc.. Generally affordable homes are ways of providing homes to local people at less than the true market value. The developer often retains some part ownership of the property to protect their investment (make their profit).

[derry]

I've noticed in the past where developers for economic reasons exclude affordable housing have to make an equivalent contribution to allow affordable housing to be built on a different site.

[East Kent Saint]

2 hours ago, derry said:

I've noticed in the past where developers for economic reasons exclude affordable housing have to make an equivalent contribution to allow affordable housing to be built on a different site.

I don't think that happened if it did they changed the rules to allow developers to made a case to NOT build affordable homes if it affected their profits . They were also allowed to have separate poor people access so posh people would not have to mix with poor people or let poor people  use the gym or any other facility .

[The Kraken]

On 29/05/2024 at 07:26, JRM said:

I expect this may be one of the reasons the club were allowed / encouraged to change the access route for away fans at St Mary's 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24350849.plans-380-homes-former-gasworks-southampton-set-approval/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Still think it’s such a shame they’re putting up such a generic blob of flats and not making more of the gasworks. Dublin did theirs properly and I think it looks great.

[stevegrant]

I imagine there's much less profit in a development as complex as that, though...

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Still think it’s such a shame they’re putting up such a generic blob of flats and not making more of the gasworks. Dublin did theirs properly and I think it looks great.

A template for Rishi Sunak's new conservatory in a few weeks time.

[Matthew Le God]

CEO Phil Parsons has 'apparently' said we'd need 24k season ticket holders to consider an expansion.

Perhaps we are getting close or maybe even there already....

https://x.com/SouthamptonFC/status/1800876707060064324?t=UHhbdpMvSdUNdJXNNIcsMA&s=19

[S-Clarke]

I think we need many years established in the PL, with regular high footfall and sell-outs before anything gets off the ground on this one.

All clubs need to keep an eye on expansion for sure, but there are more important costs for us to factor in over the next 4-5 years (i.e building a competitive and safe PL side). This is way down my list of priorities.

[goodymatt]

Everton’s new stadium is looking decent and will assist with supplementing their spend budgets in time. For a sustainable club like ours, we need to be similarly maximising our match day income. I would agree that we are not yet in the place to do that as relegation is a threat and we will not be selling more tickets in the championship.

Trouble is, unless we do get further investment, won’t relegation always be a real possibility? Everton have lucked out surviving in the PL over the last 3 seasons given this new stadium has been under construction since 2021. 

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think we need many years established in the PL, with regular high footfall and sell-outs before anything gets off the ground on this one.

All clubs need to keep an eye on expansion for sure, but there are more important costs for us to factor in over the next 4-5 years (i.e building a competitive and safe PL side). This is way down my list of priorities.

We already have many recent years of top flight football with average of circa 30k. 

The season ticket number reaching 24k appears to be the metric the club will base a decision on. Perhaps we are close given the Tweet above.

Bigger attendances = bigger income = more money to improve squad to stay up under financial rules

[SambaMaverick]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think we need many years established in the PL, with regular high footfall and sell-outs before anything gets off the ground on this one.

All clubs need to keep an eye on expansion for sure, but there are more important costs for us to factor in over the next 4-5 years (i.e building a competitive and safe PL side). This is way down my list of priorities.

100%. It's not like any fans who want tickets can't get them. It'll just be full of more away fans and knobheads who get down the stairs on 35 minutes for the overpriced slop in the concourse.

[S-Clarke]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

We already have many recent years of top flight football with average of circa 30k. 

The season ticket number reaching 24k appears to be the metric the club will base a decision on. Perhaps we are close given the Tweet above.

Bigger attendances = bigger income = more money to improve squad to stay up under financial rules

Yep I get that and it's a valid point, but it would still cost millions and millions of pounds to build - I don't personally think that's a sensible use of our money at the moment, let's build a PL side first and see where we are come 2030.

[Saint Gifford]

Dragon is a savvy media mogul that I guess understands that business more than most. 
 

I expect more trips and preseasons to Serbia and Eastern Europe to build the Saints name in the coming years. 
 

Expanding the fan base commercially on a pan European, global basis is where the income will be generated. Along with subscription services on TV mobile ect ect ect. 
 

We arent quite Man Utd status yet, but baby steps………..

St Mary’s in my humble opinion seems fit for purpose for the foreseeable. Team first.

 

[Turkish]

31 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Yep I get that and it's a valid point, but it would still cost millions and millions of pounds to build - I don't personally think that's a sensible use of our money at the moment, let's build a PL side first and see where we are come 2030.

didnt Lowe say the cost of expansion was £3k per seat, that was years ago so lets call if £5k per seat now. 10,000 new seats = £50m. What's the average cost of a season ticket, £600? So £6m a year. Would take about 8 years to pay for itself. But of course we'd sell more hot dogs too so maybe only 7.