Lymington Saint Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Relax. The club are flying a kite. This is not happening any time soon. Council and Police have not agreed it and are unlikely to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 hours ago, Lymington Saint said: Relax. The club are flying a kite. This is not happening any time soon. Council and Police have not agreed it and are unlikely to do so. Of course it will happen. As I've pointed out before, 400 apartments are being built where the old gas tanks were. The last place police and council will want coaches and away fans congregating is the Britannia Rd/Northam Rd area as they do at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I'm looking forward to the red & white wall; it'll be totally awesome..... with smoke, flares, and world class tifos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 50 minutes ago, Block 5 said: I'm looking forward to the red & white wall; it'll be totally awesome..... with smoke, flares, and world class tifos. The side of the stadium outside the kingsland also makes for a great battleground, with the Northam lads at one end and the away fans at the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I’m still surprised that we get 30,000 people to home matches. The minimum the adults are paying is something like £20-£25 and more for posh seats. Walk around the stadium prematch there’s queues to buy £55 replica tops ( now half price!) people eating £12 bowls of food with there £6 pint in hand.. Simultaneously theres people in Southampton rely on food banks, live on the streets. Child poverty in Southampton is high. The number of local kids going into higher education well below national average. The incongruity of those two facts is uncomfortable were you to think on it for too long. If the new Northam is going to happen, I hope that it puts the work of the Saints Foundation square centre as a net end beneficiary from it. I’d like to think that would help coalesce support for it from all us- the Saints fans who can choose to afford to go the SMS, buy the pies, the shirts, the beers - and the many of our city that simply do not have that choice. If done in that way I’d hope support would be overwhelmingly high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, gio1saints said: I’m still surprised that we get 30,000 people to home matches. The minimum the adults are paying is something like £20-£25 and more for posh seats. Walk around the stadium prematch there’s queues to buy £55 replica tops ( now half price!) people eating £12 bowls of food with there £6 pint in hand.. Simultaneously theres people in Southampton rely on food banks, live on the streets. Child poverty in Southampton is high. The number of local kids going into higher education well below national average. The incongruity of those two facts is uncomfortable were you to think on it for too long. The working-class mans' game, no more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, gio1saints said: I’m still surprised that we get 30,000 people to home matches. The minimum the adults are paying is something like £20-£25 and more for posh seats. Walk around the stadium prematch there’s queues to buy £55 replica tops ( now half price!) people eating £12 bowls of food with there £6 pint in hand.. Just as well, something has to pay the wages of a striker who will offer not a jot of output this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franniesTache Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Funnily enough Saturday's game showed me why i don't think moving the away fans will help the atmosphere. The set up of St Andrews was similar to what's being discussed for us, with the main home end with safe standing opposite to the away fans. You could see the fans clapping (and presumably singing) in the Tiverton end directly opposite us but you couldn't really hear them as the sound didn't travel, whereas the brummies to our left and right made a proper racket when they got going. Unless we have similar either side of the away fans at st mary's the atmosphere will actually be worse than it is now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 41 minutes ago, franniesTache said: Funnily enough Saturday's game showed me why i don't think moving the away fans will help the atmosphere. The set up of St Andrews was similar to what's being discussed for us, with the main home end with safe standing opposite to the away fans. You could see the fans clapping (and presumably singing) in the Tiverton end directly opposite us but you couldn't really hear them as the sound didn't travel, whereas the brummies to our left and right made a proper racket when they got going. Unless we have similar either side of the away fans at st mary's the atmosphere will actually be worse than it is now. I was on the left hand side - nothing from them all game. The right side was the loudest but still seemed a sh*tter version of our Itchen North / Northam set up. Maybe their “kop” simply takes potential singers away from these areas leaving little loud peoples scattered around. Or perhaps it’s acoustics as I thought our fans were fairly loud but from videos it doesn’t seem the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 44 minutes ago, franniesTache said: Funnily enough Saturday's game showed me why i don't think moving the away fans will help the atmosphere. The set up of St Andrews was similar to what's being discussed for us, with the main home end with safe standing opposite to the away fans. You could see the fans clapping (and presumably singing) in the Tiverton end directly opposite us but you couldn't really hear them as the sound didn't travel, whereas the brummies to our left and right made a proper racket when they got going. Unless we have similar either side of the away fans at st mary's the atmosphere will actually be worse than it is now. Their safe standing seemed to only applied to the bottom part of the stand opposite. And then we had about the back 5 rows in our stand with rails which they just rammed in front of the normal seats. To do it properly you need the seats which fold up flat like they have at Spurs and Arsenal. People were sat down in the their safe standing section. All very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, SotonianWill said: I was on the left hand side - nothing from them all game. The right side was the loudest but still seemed a sh*tter version of our Itchen North / Northam set up. Maybe their “kop” simply takes potential singers away from these areas leaving little loud peoples scattered around. Or perhaps it’s acoustics as I thought our fans were fairly loud but from videos it doesn’t seem the case. There were some funny people in that stand on the right. One bloke spent most of his time doing various types of hand gestures at us while his girlfriend sat there trying to ignore him. I don't think he watched any of the game. Then after Aribo scored a few rushed over to the wall and started gobbing off before some pushing and shoving with the stewards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 53 minutes ago, franniesTache said: Funnily enough Saturday's game showed me why i don't think moving the away fans will help the atmosphere. The set up of St Andrews was similar to what's being discussed for us, with the main home end with safe standing opposite to the away fans. You could see the fans clapping (and presumably singing) in the Tiverton end directly opposite us but you couldn't really hear them as the sound didn't travel, whereas the brummies to our left and right made a proper racket when they got going. Unless we have similar either side of the away fans at st mary's the atmosphere will actually be worse than it is now. If the club go ahead with their plan we will just end up with the people who usually sit in the Northam/Itchen corner moving to the Chapel and Kingsland corner to be near the away fans. The Northam will just end up like the Chapel and the club will have achieved nothing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, aintforever said: If the club go ahead with their plan we will just end up with the people who usually sit in the Northam/Itchen corner moving to the Chapel and Kingsland corner to be near the away fans. The Northam will just end up like the Chapel and the club will have achieved nothing. Nothing apart from upsetting those of us who currently sit in the Kingsland/Chapel corner! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssEffCee Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 hours ago, The Cat said: There were some funny people in that stand on the right. One bloke spent most of his time doing various types of hand gestures at us while his girlfriend sat there trying to ignore him. I don't think he watched any of the game. Then after Aribo scored a few rushed over to the wall and started gobbing off before some pushing and shoving with the stewards. That bloke was hilarious. There's always people at matches that are getting far too upset and angry over basically nothing. His Mrs looked well embarrassed. I thought their fans were shite tbh, especially given they were doing well against one of the top sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 04/03/2024 at 11:47, franniesTache said: Funnily enough Saturday's game showed me why i don't think moving the away fans will help the atmosphere. The set up of St Andrews was similar to what's being discussed for us, with the main home end with safe standing opposite to the away fans. You could see the fans clapping (and presumably singing) in the Tiverton end directly opposite us but you couldn't really hear them as the sound didn't travel, whereas the brummies to our left and right made a proper racket when they got going. Unless we have similar either side of the away fans at st mary's the atmosphere will actually be worse than it is now. Wasn't at the game but tbf that safe standing area behind the goal looked half empty. Also that stand was closed for redevelopment for the first few months of the season so I'm guessing there's no ST holders in there. Probably next season that will become there main singing and standing area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 02/03/2024 at 07:51, Block 5 said: I'm looking forward to the red & white wall; it'll be totally awesome..... with smoke, flares, and world class tifos. I went to a game in Bucharest this weekend, they had a bloke orchestrating the singing at the front with a microphone and speakers along the stand. The fans also kept throwing fireworks at their own ballboys. Maybe that's what we need for the new proper nawty red and white kop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franniesTache Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 37 minutes ago, Mattio said: I went to a game in Bucharest this weekend, they had a bloke orchestrating the singing at the front with a microphone and speakers along the stand. The fans also kept throwing fireworks at their own ballboys. Maybe that's what we need for the new proper nawty red and white kop Can you imagine how shit our version of "ultras" would be? A bunch of nippers, most of who aren't even from southampton, and who's idea of terrace culture was taken from a tik tok with badly painted signs jumping up and down in replica kits singing songs they'd nicked from Rangers or Man City that had been adapted to mention the skates 🤣 As much as i can't stand the idea the idea of ultras i'd almost like to see it to give me something to laugh at 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 The new standing area should be called the Stone Island stand. Men in their 50s can make throat slitting gestures at people 100 yards away and do loads of bugle in the shithouse. They can then go home and have a wank whilst watching The Football Factory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlehouseBrawlers Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just having a browse over on the UI and someone has linked this - Stoke proposing similar to us regarding away fans but putting safe standing next to where they put aways in the corner (equivalent to the Chapel). https://www.stokecityfc.com/news/2024/march/05/potters-announce-atmosphere-enhancing-plans/ I see they’re also letting fans have a say on the design of the new kit (though hard to believe it’s not already decided in March) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Once they have cleared the damage from the fire it will be interesting to see what happens with redevelopment, could be an opportunity for the club to buy more land and change the access at that end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franniesTache Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, JRM said: Once they have cleared the damage from the fire it will be interesting to see what happens with redevelopment, could be an opportunity for the club to buy more land and change the access at that end. Great opportunity to expand the Saints Gulag out the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmicjetson Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 27/02/2024 at 18:37, Daft Kerplunk said: Very positive that this is happening. Away fans should not be in the ends and the side is appropriate. This should in theory greatly improve atmosphere as there will be a standing end, and then some will move next to the away fans and it’ll liven up those who think going to football is for sitting on your hands and being near silent. As for safety, it doesn’t matter where away fans are at St Mary’s because isolation can happen either side if necessary. Coaches can park in the trading estate and roads can be closed off either side to allow traffic to exit. In a way, being at the other end may lead to less confrontation as away fans will be sent on a longer walk away from the stadium and Britannia Road can be used by home fans. The current set up is just what people are used to and change will be fine. For those old enough, away fans moved from the end to the side at the Dell, and two whole ends for home fans made it much better in terms of atmosphere when it was all seater. Glad you're positive about it. It means me moving from the seat I've had since the ground opened. And those trading estate roads (what's left of them after yesterday) are when a substantial number of fans make their way to/from town and where the shuttle buses go from. Change is just fine when you are not the one being forced to make the changes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Anybody heard any update on this plan? Was speaking to an ex-copper in one of the sections scheduled to become for away fans who's still convinced the police will veto it. But surely the club would have cleared with all the relevant authorities before going public? There's a lot of unhappy fans at our end of the Kingsland --- many of them ST holders who are wondering what we're supposed to do next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Anybody know what this means? What away end? Are they just putting in safe standing where people are now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Don’t win today after those two results and these lot don’t deserve anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 23 minutes ago, Ken Tone said: Anybody know what this means? What away end? Are they just putting in safe standing where people are now? I don't know what's confusing you about the away end, have you never noticed that we have away fans at St Mary's stadium? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, Saint_clark said: I don't know what's confusing you about the away end, have you never noticed that we have away fans at St Mary's stadium? Read his post and the article again mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, egg said: Read his post and the article again mate... They never said they were implementing safe standing and moving the away fans at the same time. It's pretty obvious that they didn't want to undertake two lots of massive ground restructuring in one off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) “A total of 9500 safe standing seats”. Surely the northam has got much fewer than 9500 seats. Stadium has 32000 in total, pitch sides have more capacity than behind the goals, even if each stand were equal it would be 8k per stand. Intriguing. Edited April 13 by The Kraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, Ken Tone said: Anybody know what this means? What away end? Are they just putting in safe standing where people are now? The way I’ve read it is the whole Northam will be safe standing, and the new away section wherever that may be will be safe standing too. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 What a block by Bednarek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 I wonder where thousands that sit in the northam are going to go ? Upper blocks to start was a good idea, but the whole lot is daft and will not achieve what’s wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Go for it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 14 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said: I wonder where thousands that sit in the northam are going to go ? Upper blocks to start was a good idea, but the whole lot is daft and will not achieve what’s wanted. Don't forget that fans in other parts of the stadium may want to go back to the old days of standing. Theres a few guys near where I sit that i'm sure will want to so there will be space for Northam people who want to continue sitting.......they're gonna position themselves near the away fans probably ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 15 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said: I wonder where thousands that sit in the northam are going to go ? Upper blocks to start was a good idea, but the whole lot is daft and will not achieve what’s wanted. They can sit in one of the other three stands with seats in it or stay in the Northam and stand up. Pretty simple. What is wanted? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) The move from the Dell to St Mary's meant that everyone changed seats. We got over it, no problem. So have other clubs' fans, more recently, like Spurs. Plenty of clubs have moved their away section to a different part of the stadium, too, like Leeds. They're happy now that they did. If we get promoted, the demand for seats and standing places at St Mary's will be greater than ever. Even if we don't get promoted, there will be no problem filling the stadium next season, in spite of some fans having to move. Let's support the Club on this. This new setup is the one we should have had in the first place. Edited April 14 by Nordic Saint 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 On 02/03/2024 at 11:04, sfc4prem said: The working-class mans' game, no more. It cost me a 1/- (5p in new money) to go into The Dell as a nipper and probably anything between a 1d and 3d for a four page programme. If I was feeling flush I could buy a 1d On The Ball ticket to win the match ball (if it got kicked out of the ground, the game stopped whils it was retrieved - no multi balls in those days!! Mind you we lived in a hole on the road and ate scraps that fell off the back of coal lorry. Those were the days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlehouseBrawlers Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 15 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said: I wonder where thousands that sit in the northam are going to go ? Upper blocks to start was a good idea, but the whole lot is daft and will not achieve what’s wanted. I thought you were against this from the start? I'm very old school tbh, I'm still stuck in the 70s/80s to how I like an atmosphere at the football which was about noise as much as a bit of singing. You just don't really get that blood-curdling roar anymore (was always best in the northern grounds back then). It's mostly rubbish these days, it was OK for the first 30mins at St Mary's yesterday but just evaporated as soon as Watford scored, our supporters are easily knocked (and from where I was sitting in the stadium, less than 2k aways were making as much noise as far more home fans around them). So I don't mind the club trying to do something to improve it, I accept football support has changed from my day but it could certainly be better. Many don't like change (or the idea of) but I think/hope most will be saying this was a good move by this time next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) Does the capacity remain the same once safe standing is introduced? It was always said at The Dell that seats took up more space than that needed to stand in. Does the reverse apply ? Edited April 14 by Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 46 minutes ago, Badger said: Does the capacity remain the same once safe standing is introduced? It was always said at The Dell that seats took up space than that needed to stand in. Does the reverse apply ? Pretty sure the regs for safe standing are that one seated space = one standing space. Some Europeans do it differently but for English/British sides it’s the standing in front of a folded seat system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 23 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Pretty sure the regs for safe standing are that one seated space = one standing space. Some Europeans do it differently but for English/British sides it’s the standing in front of a folded seat system. Yes... and i think the club can decide whether to fold each seat up or down, so maybe the plan is to install all the Northam but to leave some as seats for part of the time, ie so there is some sitting available for away fans? (That's assuming the rather ambiguous announcement does mean they're being kept there for now.) I would have thought that would be a requirement? Then maybe return to the idea of moving the away fans later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) Nicked this from the Ugly. A small number of fans attended a meeting before today's game. It was very informative with a few surprises. 1- 9000 safe standing places will installed The whole of the Northam will be safe standing, some of the Chapel and some in the away end 2- in the next couple of weeks, a special deal will be announced (Cheaper tickets?) for the Northam 3 Prices in other areas may rise 4-The club are looking to build a pub open 7 days a week They are tied into Kingfisher beer for 1 more season, but hope to get the beer prices down to £4/£4.50 a pint 5- Most of the parachute payment went on loan repayments (something to do with how the contracts were set up) 6- if we don't get promoted, many players have said they will leave (no names!!) 7-If the club can get the season tickets up to 24000 for a few seasons they would look at the possibility of expanding the ground 8-The players notice that the noise from home fans is not that good compared to the support they get from Saints fans away 9-There was more but can't remember!!! all signed off and approved by the police/authorities . The Industrial estate will become the parking for the away coaches. Still unclear if it will be closed off to home fans. There is a little bit of work to do to build barriers at the Chapel end. he said that club research had indicated that around 70% of Chapel fans said they would still go to the Chapel nest season Edited April 14 by The Kraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Even more confused now! This sounds as if they're putting away fans in the Chapel, when they said before they'd be putting them in the family stand area of the Kingsland, next to the Chapel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 hour ago, The Kraken said: Nicked this from the Ugly. A small number of fans attended a meeting before today's game. It was very informative with a few surprises. 1- 9000 safe standing places will installed The whole of the Northam will be safe standing, some of the Chapel and some in the away end 2- in the next couple of weeks, a special deal will be announced (Cheaper tickets?) for the Northam 3 Prices in other areas may rise 4-The club are looking to build a pub open 7 days a week They are tied into Kingfisher beer for 1 more season, but hope to get the beer prices down to £4/£4.50 a pint 5- Most of the parachute payment went on loan repayments (something to do with how the contracts were set up) 6- if we don't get promoted, many players have said they will leave (no names!!) 7-If the club can get the season tickets up to 24000 for a few seasons they would look at the possibility of expanding the ground 8-The players notice that the noise from home fans is not that good compared to the support they get from Saints fans away 9-There was more but can't remember!!! all signed off and approved by the police/authorities . The Industrial estate will become the parking for the away coaches. Still unclear if it will be closed off to home fans. There is a little bit of work to do to build barriers at the Chapel end. he said that club research had indicated that around 70% of Chapel fans said they would still go to the Chapel nest season No way am I paying more to sit down just to offset any price reduction for standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Do I assume correctly that they will communicate all changes in advance of season ticket sales ? My decision to renew will be based on the final outcome and I’ll be very pissed off if I go ahead and they change during the season !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 9 hours ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said: I thought you were against this from the start? I'm very old school tbh, I'm still stuck in the 70s/80s to how I like an atmosphere at the football which was about noise as much as a bit of singing. You just don't really get that blood-curdling roar anymore (was always best in the northern grounds back then). It's mostly rubbish these days, it was OK for the first 30mins at St Mary's yesterday but just evaporated as soon as Watford scored, our supporters are easily knocked (and from where I was sitting in the stadium, less than 2k aways were making as much noise as far more home fans around them). So I don't mind the club trying to do something to improve it, I accept football support has changed from my day but it could certainly be better. Many don't like change (or the idea of) but I think/hope most will be saying this was a good move by this time next year. I was against moving away fans for a number of reasons. A couple of months back it was said that the upper blocks would be safe standing and that makes sense as the majority already do that. That’s now been changed to all the seats being converted. But a fair wack of fans sit down in the lower blocks. To try and entice fans to go in the northam with cheaper seats sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 22 hours ago, The Kraken said: 6- if we don't get promoted, many players have said they will leave (no names!!) 8-The players notice that the noise from home fans is not that good compared to the support they get from Saints fans away Come on get behind the disloyal twats. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 20 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: No way am I paying more to sit down just to offset any price reduction for standing. So you've got 2 choices then.. Stand or dont go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 11 minutes ago, Dman said: So you've got 2 choices then.. Stand or dont go. I wouldn’t stand for it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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