once_bitterne Posted 6 June, 2019 Share Posted 6 June, 2019 My post did not say that, I was merely pointing out a fact and leaving the readers to draw their own conclusion You should be a politician you old pink jacketed Militant you! I didn't say your post said that, I just asked you the question as to whether you still believed that Gallagher could be a PL level player. There seem to be very few who still think this, I just wondered if you were still a believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 6 June, 2019 Share Posted 6 June, 2019 You should be a politician you old pink jacketed Militant you! I didn't say your post said that, I just asked you the question as to whether you still believed that Gallagher could be a PL level player. There seem to be very few who still think this, I just wondered if you were still a believer. OK Fair does. Honest answer? Well accepting I am biased, there is still part of me that would not write Sam off just yet. I watched him play frequently for Blackburn and Birmingham to see he certainly had what it takes for the Championship and, despite what some on here say, the fans of both clubs really appreciated him and Che Adams hardly got a look in (which he was none too pleased about). Of course there is a big difference between the two leagues but the fact there is at least one PL side "in" for him at present, plus quite a few top Championship sides sniffing, my view is shared by some managers too. He needs a break (he did not get one last year owing to injuries, relegation battle, new manager etc) but because strikers of his build and athleticism don't grow on trees, I am reluctant to write him off as a top-flight player. However I don't think he fits into RH's plans and as he is the boss I think it best Sam moves on and hopefully comes again with renewed confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 6 June, 2019 Share Posted 6 June, 2019 OK Fair does. Honest answer? Well accepting I am biased, there is still part of me that would not write Sam off just yet. I watched him play frequently for Blackburn and Birmingham to see he certainly had what it takes for the Championship and, despite what some on here say, the fans of both clubs really appreciated him and Che Adams hardly got a look in (which he was none too pleased about). Of course there is a big difference between the two leagues but the fact there is at least one PL side "in" for him at present, plus quite a few top Championship sides sniffing, my view is shared by some managers too. He needs a break (he did not get one last year owing to injuries, relegation battle, new manager etc) but because strikers of his build and athleticism don't grow on trees, I am reluctant to write him off as a top-flight player. However I don't think he fits into RH's plans and as he is the boss I think it best Sam moves on and hopefully comes again with renewed confidence. What was your bias here again? Do you know the lad directly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 6 June, 2019 Share Posted 6 June, 2019 You would imagine that if its between us and Villa for Adams signature that we should have the upper edge....dont think Birmingham would be eager to sell another player to Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 Just to keep it thread specific... Adam Blackmore says we're still in talks with Birmingham... @AdamBlackmore: Back from holiday.. #saintsfc still negotiating with Birmingham for Che Adams Club hopeful of completing Djenepo signing by Tuesday Contrary to reports, Saints have not had any contact with Serie B club Spezia over Nigerian forward David Okereke - one to watch maybe ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 I hope we get this one over the line, he's a really good forward. Would add a lot of pace to our attack and that would probably finish our additions in attack - then we can focus on the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 I hope we get this one over the line, he's a really good forward. Would add a lot of pace to our attack and that would probably finish our additions in attack - then we can focus on the back. It's an interesting one, because I always assumed he wasn't our primary striker target. Time for another obligatory? (He knows how to find a bottom corner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulowhit Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 You forget how bad some of the defending in the championship is. Some of our defenders would fit in a treat!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 Majority of his goals in that video are gifts from horrific defending/keeping or tap ins. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 Majority of his goals in that video are gifts from horrific defending/keeping or tap ins. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk Any chance he qualifies for the Dutch national team? I've heard they get quite a few goals from those situations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 Wonder if a swap deal for Gallagher is part of the discussions?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 Majority of his goals in that video are gifts from horrific defending/keeping or tap ins. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk Good strikers seem to have a nack of being in the right place at the right time tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 Come on Saints get it done quickly...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 7 June, 2019 Share Posted 7 June, 2019 Majority of his goals in that video are gifts from horrific defending/keeping or tap ins. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk Tend to agree.. something about his finishing looks kinda scruffy and scuffed. And makes me wonder if he's got the technique for the prem.. on the good side though he's seems to have all the physical attiributes built and pacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/17691960.southampton-are-again-interested-in-a-move-for-birmingham-striker-che-adams/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/17691960.southampton-are-again-interested-in-a-move-for-birmingham-striker-che-adams/ Adam Blackmore has said the same thing? unless, he is just referencing the Echo article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 Adam Blackmore has said the same thing? unless, he is just referencing the Echo article Adam Blackmore's tweet was on Friday morning Daily Echo article published online 5am Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 Majority of his goals in that video are gifts from horrific defending/keeping or tap ins. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk The majority of all goals are from some kind of defensive error somewhere in the build up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 yeah its an interesting one, not many goals were from fast transitions, he seems to of been fed in the box, maybe we are looking at the wingers to be the forward movers as the quicker players and feed Che/Ings in the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 Good strikers seem to have a nack of being in the right place at the right time thoCharlie Austin does and he ain't up to scratch in the prem anymore, stick him in that birmingham side and he'd bang them in as well. Defending is the biggest difference in quality between Prem and Championship and nothing about anything I've seen of Adams makes me think he could make the step up. Sent from my SM-J600FN using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 The majority of all goals are from some kind of defensive error somewhere in the build up.Brilliant. Top scorer 19/20 confirmed then. I think there's better out there, even looking in the championship and even at the price we're looking to pay. If we signed Adams to be the man to get us goals I'm betting on us to get relegated next season. Sent from my SM-J600FN using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBitterne Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 Brilliant. Top scorer 19/20 confirmed then. I think there's better out there, even looking in the championship and even at the price we're looking to pay. If we signed Adams to be the man to get us goals I'm betting on us to get relegated next season. Sent from my SM-J600FN using Tapatalk Incredible to right off a season before we’ve even bid an acceptable offer for a striker who scored 20 goals last year. Our fans are something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 Charlie Austin does and he ain't up to scratch in the prem anymore, stick him in that birmingham side and he'd bang them in as well. Defending is the biggest difference in quality between Prem and Championship and nothing about anything I've seen of Adams makes me think he could make the step up. Sent from my SM-J600FN using Tapatalk So what are your criticisms of CA? Pace? Movement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALK DMC Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 yeah its an interesting one, not many goals were from fast transitions, he seems to of been fed in the box, maybe we are looking at the wingers to be the forward movers as the quicker players and feed Che/Ings in the box I agree, very few of the goals were the result of free flowing moves, but perhaps that is down to the style or abilities of Birmingham. I thought that he showed good pace, strength and a strong right foot shot. My other observation (based on a single video) is that of the 20 goals, only a single one was scored with his left foot (a tap in) and no headed goals at all. He isn't the tallest guy, so isn't necessarily going get many goals with his head, but good shorter strikers such as Keegan/Mane still score a fair number of goals with their head. I'd be more concerned with the absence of left foot goals, Premier league defenders will quickly suss out to keep him on his left. However, let Ralph get at him and coach him into some different techniques, and I'd want to see more of his general play to understand if he really is one footed, as we know a single Youtube video can be very, very misleading .... Overall I am on the optimistic side if we can get this signing off the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 This gets more interesting by the day. Maybe the thinking is that we need one decent striker; the figure of £20m has been bandied around as the sort of money we have "agreed" to pay the BinDippers for Ings but have we? There sis clearly £20m in the pot for a striker so the reported bidding for a highly mobile Adams may be regarded as a far better alternative to a very fragile Ings for the money by Ralph. Very obviously we do not have £40m to buy both so if we persuade Birmingham to part with Adams for under £20m then any "understanding" on Ings future will go out the window and if we c an get him for £15m that's £5m saved to put towards the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 What's his approach play like? To be honest you can get away with not scoring goals these days if you knit the team together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 This gets more interesting by the day. Maybe the thinking is that we need one decent striker; the figure of £20m has been bandied around as the sort of money we have "agreed" to pay the BinDippers for Ings but have we? There sis clearly £20m in the pot for a striker so the reported bidding for a highly mobile Adams may be regarded as a far better alternative to a very fragile Ings for the money by Ralph. Very obviously we do not have £40m to buy both so if we persuade Birmingham to part with Adams for under £20m then any "understanding" on Ings future will go out the window and if we c an get him for £15m that's £5m saved to put towards the Yes we have. (Well £18m plus £2m add ons) Can't understand why anyone is still doubting this. Danny Ings has completed a £20 million move to Southampton, initially on a season-long loan but with a commitment for an additional three years. Ings completed a complicated switch to St Mary’s after the club’s agreed the structure of payments ahead of the close of business. Although his first year will be on loan, Southampton have committed to buy the striker on July 1, 2019. Liverpool are guaranteed £18 million, with a further £2 million based on appearances. Despite both clubs insisting his next 12 months is part of a loan deal, the 26-year-old has signed a four-year contract until 2022. Liverpool will also receive 20 per cent of any future sale of Ings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 I liked him at Sheff Utd, and when i’ve seen him for Birmingham he’s also been good. I’ve read that he’s quite small but that surprised me because he always looks quite big on the pitch! I’ve seen him make some great link up play and through balls as well, don’t think he’s just a hang on the penalty spot type forward. I’d really like him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 8 June, 2019 Share Posted 8 June, 2019 Seems to be a good finisher, knows where the goal is without really needing to look and takes shots early which I think is a good trait as it doesn't allow keepers to set themselves. Seems to be a good combination of quick but also decently strong. Obviously some areas to work on but that is why he is a 22 year old championship striker, we are buying him for the raw ingredients that we can hopefully improve. Has a style that reminds me of Kevin Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 (edited) https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/17691960.southampton-are-again-interested-in-a-move-for-birmingham-striker-che-adams/ Did they edit this article later on? Unless I'm dreaming, I could have sworn it implied he was our No.1 striker target It now reads "The Daily Echo understands that Adams is one of several striking targets identified by Hasenhuttl and that if the Blues ask for a fee far in excess of Saints’ valuation that they will quickly move on". Edited 9 June, 2019 by SuperSAINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 Dave Merrington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 Alan Nixon saying Burnley still interested in Adams (& J-Rod) @reluctantnicko: BURNLEY. Will sell Vydra and Wells to raise funds for new strikers. Deffo keen on Che Adams at BIRMINGHAM as well as JayRod at WBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 Burnely having to sell to buy, surely not, we are the only club that has to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 Yes we have. (Well £18m plus £2m add ons) Can't understand why anyone is still doubting this. Yes, I know the official line but we don't have £40m to spend on strikers so why are we looking at Adams? Can only be that we have an option to quit on Ings if he didn't meet certain conditions and he has not met some of those conditions. What other reason can you come up with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 Yes, I know the official line but we don't have £40m to spend on strikers so why are we looking at Adams? Can only be that we have an option to quit on Ings if he didn't meet certain conditions and he has not met some of those conditions. What other reason can you come up with? I dunno, I tend to over analyse things like this but I have a sneaking suspicion that Ralph simply wants another striker as well as Ings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 Yes, I know the official line but we don't have £40m to spend on strikers so why are we looking at Adams? Can only be that we have an option to quit on Ings if he didn't meet certain conditions and he has not met some of those conditions. What other reason can you come up with? I expect the money for Ings was set aside last year...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 (edited) I'm not convinced Adams has enough about his all round game to make it in the premier league it would still be a huge gamble, I certainly wouldn't pay more than 10 million for him Edited 9 June, 2019 by Mr X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 I'm not convinced Adams has enough about his all round game to make it in the premier league it would still be a huge gamble, I certainly wouldn't pay more than 10 million for himMy cousin is a Blues fan and thinks he is decent but not brilliant. Best attribute is strength backing into defenders and turning them with his pace. Thinks he would be a decent signing for a lower PL side, which is what we are I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 9 June, 2019 Share Posted 9 June, 2019 I'm not convinced Adams has enough about his all round game to make it in the premier league it would still be a huge gamble, I certainly wouldn't pay more than 10 million for him Watched him a lot have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 What he is now is important it is what he can or should be like in 2 to 3 years with RHs coaching. We can never buy the finished product that is better than our level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 Yes, I know the official line but we don't have £40m to spend on strikers so why are we looking at Adams? Can only be that we have an option to quit on Ings if he didn't meet certain conditions and he has not met some of those conditions. What other reason can you come up with? I presume the fee for Ings would be in last years budget, plus its probably in instalments as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 My cousin is a Blues fan and thinks he is decent but not brilliant. Best attribute is strength backing into defenders and turning them with his pace. Thinks he would be a decent signing for a lower PL side, which is what we are I guess. I'd agree with that. His game has come on a lot over the last 12 months and he seems ready for the step up, but there would need to be some continued improvement once he got here. His touch wasn't too bad and he showed good strength, but he's not great in the air. He is not lightening quick, but he is sharp and when the opportunity arises (a one two for example) he does come to life. Dare I say it, he might be considered as is a slightly faster Charlie Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 I presume the fee for Ings would be in last years budget, plus its probably in instalments as well. why was it deemed a loan last season if the transfer fee was in last years budget? It will be instalments. 50% up front (start of 2019/2020 season and 50% by end of that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 So ...Gallagher and Austin going to Birmingham with Adams coming to us??? Maybe a cash adjustment? All I read is that Brum want £12M, we have offered £8M. Surely agree on £10M and job's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire Saint Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 why was it deemed a loan last season if the transfer fee was in last years budget? It will be instalments. 50% up front (start of 2019/2020 season and 50% by end of that season. I would guess that it was a loan because the deal was done at the very end of the transfer window and it would have been quicker to set up a loan than a full transfer with only minutes left before the window slammed shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 I would guess that it was a loan because the deal was done at the very end of the transfer window and it would have been quicker to set up a loan than a full transfer with only minutes left before the window slammed shut. Agree, that was my understanding at the time. I could have been mistaken though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 The 2018 accounts state that the Ings fee was due to be paid this year. Will be in the budget as a committed expenditure but not paid out until around now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 The 2018 accounts state that the Ings fee was due to be paid this year. Will be in the budget as a committed expenditure but not paid out until around now Guan said the Gabbi fee received pretty much helped clear the Ings fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBitterne Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 Ings fee was 16mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 June, 2019 Share Posted 10 June, 2019 Ings fee was 16mill Wasn't £20M the widely reported number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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