whelk Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 52 minutes ago, Turkish said: It’s getting worse https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68079300?fbclid=IwAR1WXTF-MQc_aLDH8JqSqTkqPT9pXQd-tus7nTiaKO3YgOVgnpFcK-9ZwRY_aem_AcOB0SWxfSL87Ko20Hceu38rXSUa2hqGxuUOiaED47jQ_ah_B3MmOeC3JHwnlGk9Hdw a lot of people should be doing jail time for this Glad to see that story being kept alive. Absolutely should be serving time. They can further whistleblow at chance of avoiding jail and naming others. Like how they traumatised others to confess, terrified at the thought of going to prison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Watched the MBvPO documentary last night, got very angry about it all. Paula Vennells is a nasty cunt, totally blinded by protecting the PO brand. The immense amount of human sufferering she caused is staggering, how she can call herself a priest just shows what a bag of sick the Church of England is. On the other side is Alan Bates, a true hero, he the epitome of restrained anger and dog with a bone resilience. This country is great but it lets itself down in these moments. When you consider all the big scandals and how the establishment drags it feet until the people forgot or its too late to punish people. This should be a watershed moment for the establishment but it won't be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 The compensation payments should not have legal costs deducted, that aspect should be covered by the personal finances of the people who are culpable. To start with they can pay back their performance related bonuses. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 After she left the PO, no doubt having been handsomely paid off, Paula Vennells became a NED on the cabinet office board and walked into the job as Chair of the Imperial College NHS Trust, appointed by another failure Dido Harding. You couldn't make it up. She resigned from both because of the heat from PO scandal put pressure on her employees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) Today's evidence was from a PO investigator in Northern Ireland, concentrating on one specific SPM's prosecution. The SPM had had several days where the system would not balance at end-of-day, and she had reported it, to no avail. Eventually she was hauled in and interrogated about certain of the days when these discrepencies had arisen. She had no explanation other trhan Horizon was at fault, and was told she was liable and would be taken to Court. Taking a second look through the dates presented to her, she realised that luckily on one of these days she had in fact not done the end-of-day accounts, as she had taken one of her children to hospital, and in her stead the District Manager had deputised for her, and it was he that had been unable to balance the system. This effectively showed she was not at fault, but this detail was omitted from the evidence file handed over to the PSNI, and she was taken to Court. In Court the SPM managed to get the redacted evidence heard, and she was exonerated by the jury, with the Judge saying the Post Office's investigation and prosecution was a "sham". The result of this case, I think in 2006, and it's effective judgement on Horizon, was clearly known to the PO senior management, but ignored as investigations and prosecutions continued. Edited January 26 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) More Vennells puke https://www.standard.co.uk/business/cityspy/paula-vennells-charity-work-post-office-hymns-ancient-and-modern-b1135129.html Edited January 27 by Fan The Flames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 16 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: After she left the PO, no doubt having been handsomely paid off, Paula Vennells became a NED on the cabinet office board and walked into the job as Chair of the Imperial College NHS Trust, appointed by another failure Dido Harding. You couldn't make it up. She resigned from both because of the heat from PO scandal put pressure on her employees. Deserves to be in jail, and not just a short sentence, 8-10 years at least for perjury on hundreds of instances, and no probation. Although ITV let Adam Crozier off the hook in an otherwise very good drama production, he belongs in the clink too. Plenty of others at the PO but those two stand out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Post Office staff told that they had to make up for money stolen in robberies; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68086588 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Is it correct to assume that the Horizon system was installed in Crown Post Offices as well as Sub Post Offices? If so, were there problems with (much bigger) end of day balances and, assuming this was the case, were there any prosecutions involving those in charge at Crown Post Offices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 38 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: Is it correct to assume that the Horizon system was installed in Crown Post Offices as well as Sub Post Offices? If so, were there problems with (much bigger) end of day balances and, assuming this was the case, were there any prosecutions involving those in charge at Crown Post Offices? Thats a very good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 57 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: Is it correct to assume that the Horizon system was installed in Crown Post Offices as well as Sub Post Offices? If so, were there problems with (much bigger) end of day balances and, assuming this was the case, were there any prosecutions involving those in charge at Crown Post Offices? 19 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said: Thats a very good question. From the Criminal Cases Review Commision website; "After more than 900 prosecutions, around 580 sub-postmasters and Crown Office employees initiated civil proceedings against Post Office Ltd during which Post Office agreed to pay damages. " ( Highlighting by me ). It would seem that it affected both sets of staff. Edited January 31 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) Good Lord.... is this woman for real....?! "I can't remember the date I started" "Can you remember the decade?" 😂 Edited February 7 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Only listened to half an hour of her, but she is so bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Crikey, how on earth did she get those jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) A clearer case of Alzheimer's you could never see. She says she was never contacted by Blackpool County Court regarding the prosecution of the SPM, yet the inquiry has her signed witness statement submitted to the Court. She does not remember writing or signing the Court statement, claiming this is the first time she has seen it. The evidence she submitted to the Court included "copies of all error logs detailing calls made between 10 January 2000 to 30 November 2000", but does not actually include the calls made in January and early February during installation and testing, nor any of the calls made after 30 June 2000 when not only the SPM but this area manager rang the help desk with problems due to Horizon not balancing correctly. Not only that, but in this session she claims she did not know there was a help desk, let alone that she reported balancing errors. Edited February 6 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31cc Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Another appalling example of horrific behaviour by the Post Office. I know there are hundreds of similar stories but surely criminal prosecutions have to result from cases like this? Post Office still pursued sisters after case thrown out - BBC News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 19 hours ago, badgerx16 said: A clearer case of Alzheimer's you could never see. She says she was never contacted by Blackpool County Court regarding the prosecution of the SPM, yet the inquiry has her signed witness statement submitted to the Court. She does not remember writing or signing the Court statement, claiming this is the first time she has seen it. The evidence she submitted to the Court included "copies of all error logs detailing calls made between 10 January 2000 to 30 November 2000", but does not actually include the calls made in January and early February during installation and testing, nor any of the calls made after 30 June 2000 when not only the SPM but this area manager rang the help desk with problems due to Horizon not balancing correctly. Not only that, but in this session she claims she did not know there was a help desk, let alone that she reported balancing errors. Indeed... either Alzheimer's or perhaps the most blatant example of perjury I think I've ever seen?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 One of the people planning to lead the Tory Party when they dump Sunak… https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/11/kemi-badenoch-failed-to-raise-horizon-scandal-when-she-met-fujitsu-at-davos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 18 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: One of the people planning to lead the Tory Party when they dump Sunak… https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/11/kemi-badenoch-failed-to-raise-horizon-scandal-when-she-met-fujitsu-at-davos Surely this is something you should be celebrating? After all, Sunak will be dumped after the next GE so Badenock will be the opposition leader - I imagine Starmer will be happy to have the most incompetent person in charge wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 53 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: One of the people planning to lead the Tory Party when they dump Sunak… https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/11/kemi-badenoch-failed-to-raise-horizon-scandal-when-she-met-fujitsu-at-davos Perhaps, as Sir Wyn Williams' enquiry is ongoing it is better that she didn't add her two penneth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) What the f**k is wrong with these people....? Is there some kind of aptitude test you have to fail before you can become part of the Post Office management team....? https://uk.yahoo.com/news/horizon-scandal-ongoing-sub-postmasters-202022770.html Edited February 12 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: One of the people planning to lead the Tory Party when they dump Sunak… https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/11/kemi-badenoch-failed-to-raise-horizon-scandal-when-she-met-fujitsu-at-davos Good to see all politicians being called out on this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, trousers said: What the f**k is wrong with these people....? Is there some kind of aptitude test you have to fail before you can become part of the Post Office management team....? https://uk.yahoo.com/news/horizon-scandal-ongoing-sub-postmasters-202022770.html The High Court ruled that the 2017 updated version of Horizon is. "'robust"'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: The High Court ruled that the 2017 updated version of Horizon is. "'robust"'. ah, thats ok then.... case closed.... #robustmyarse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 16 minutes ago, trousers said: ah, thats ok then.... case closed.... #robustmyarse Although if I was a sub-postmaster now I’d be nicking loads and blame on Horizon. Although expect most have better ethics than me 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, trousers said: Good to see all politicians being called out on this.... The only MP to take a major media kicking so far has been Ed Davey. What makes this particular story more pertinent is that Panorama had already broken the story a few months before her visit to Davos whereas the issue was still relatively low key when Davey was involved and this particular politician is now actively lining up her bid to be the next leader of the Conservative Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: The only MP to take a major media kicking so far has been Ed Davey. What makes this particular story more pertinent is that Panorama had already broken the story a few months before her visit to Davos whereas the issue was still relatively low key when Davey was involved and this particular politician is now actively lining up her bid to be the next leader of the Conservative Party. Don't worry SOGgy, the next leader of the Conservative Party will be leading them in the wilderness, and certainly won't be the leader next time they get anywhere near the reins of Government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Yeah, but what about Ed Davey? https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/18/former-post-office-boss-stall-horizon-compensation-payouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Sajid Javid, Business Secretary in the Cameron Government, knew there were issues with Horizon, as 3 separate investigations reported it - but were then "hushed up"; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68146054 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 What's shameful is that the establishment tried to avoid getting to the truth and actively went into cover up mode to save the government and the PO from getting into shit. So it's no surprise that the torys instructed their client press to finger Ed Davey and Tony Blair when this first broke, to cover for the list of tory fuck ups, who are now being slowly revealed. Thankfully there were independent minded MPs (some Tory) who kept chipping away. This illustrates the bad and the good in our system. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) One of them is lying. My money is on Kemi Badenoch. The same Kemi Badenoch who hacked into Harriet Harman’s website and somehow managed to avoid a prison sentence in 2008. The same Kemi Badenoch who is trying to position herself as the next leader of the Tory party. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/kemi-badenoch-post-office-horizon-wh-smith-government-b1140557.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/kemi-badenoch-henry-staunton-post-office-scandal-compensation-b1140550.html https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2024/02/20/might-a-party-that-thinks-badenoch-is-the-answer-to-any-question-ever-likely-to-be-fit-to-govern-again/ Edited February 21 by sadoldgit Typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 37 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: One of them is lying. My money is on Kemi Badenoch. The same Kemi Badenoch who hacked into Harriet Harmon’s website and somehow managed to avoid a prison sentence in 2008. The same Kemi Badenoch who is trying to position herself as the next leader of the Tory party. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/kemi-badenoch-post-office-horizon-wh-smith-government-b1140557.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/kemi-badenoch-henry-staunton-post-office-scandal-compensation-b1140550.html https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2024/02/20/might-a-party-that-thinks-badenoch-is-the-answer-to-any-question-ever-likely-to-be-fit-to-govern-again/ Surely not the same Kemi Badenoch who tells porkies about trade negotiations with Canada ? https://news.sky.com/story/canada-contradicts-kemi-badenochs-claim-post-brexit-trade-talks-are-ongoing-13076866 Mind you, I did like this quote to Mr Staunton from a senior civil servant at BadEnoch's department - "politicians do not necessarily like to confront reality". Edited February 21 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, badgerx16 said: Surely not the same Kemi Badenoch who tells porkies about trade negotiations with Canada ? https://news.sky.com/story/canada-contradicts-kemi-badenochs-claim-post-brexit-trade-talks-are-ongoing-13076866 Mind you, I did like this quote to Mr Staunton from a senior civil servant at BadEnoch's department - "politicians do not necessarily like to confront reality". Think she'll be gone soon, doesn't suit her to be part of the losing team at the next election so might as well blow up her current position and then come back as the anti-establishment choice after the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: One of them is lying. My money is on Kemi Badenoch. There’s a surprise 😂 I believe Nick Griffin jumped to the same conclusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: There’s a surprise 😂 I believe Nick Griffin jumped to the same conclusion. You are aware that criticism of Badenoch, Patel, Kwarteng, Sunak, etc because of their performance is permissable ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 22 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: You are aware that criticism of Badenoch, Patel, Kwarteng, Sunak, etc because of their performance is permissable ? Course it is. But in a he says/she says situation I prefer to wait for evidence before automatically blaming the black person. “My moneys on the white chap telling the truth”, so 1970’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I would assume that Nick Griffin would be supporting Kemi Badenoch considering they share the same politics. Truly odd post from a person who firmly supports the likes of Nigel Farage though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 58 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Course it is. But in a he says/she says situation I prefer to wait for evidence before automatically blaming the black person. “My moneys on the white chap telling the truth”, so 1970’s. My money's on the lying Tory minister. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, badgerx16 said: My money's on the lying Tory minister. She has form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 hours ago, badgerx16 said: My money's on the lying Tory minister. which one they are all fuckin lying 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 27 minutes ago, mack rill said: which one they are all fuckin lying Quite perceptive for a Skate, aren't you 🙂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 20 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Course it is. But in a he says/she says situation I prefer to wait for evidence before automatically blaming the black person. “My moneys on the white chap telling the truth”, so 1970’s. You would know all about the 70’s as you have been stuck there for the last 45 years. So now not only can we not criticise anyone who just happens to be Jewish, we can’t criticise anyone with a different skin colour. The irony seems lost on you being a supporter of not only dude in the wool racist Nigel Farage but “Big Dog” Johnson who has made several blatantly racist comments over the years yet you haven’t said a word about that. You are the one making the issue about skin colour. Perhaps spend less time looking for 9 pinters at your local ale house and more time thinking about what you post when you finally stagger home? Remind me again how those trade talks are going with Canada? Oh wait, she lied about them. More evidence of her being economic with the truth. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lgbt-ben-bradshaw-prime-minister-commons-canada-b1140671.html Those familiar with the work of political sketch writer John Crace will know that he is concerned with the behaviour of politicians, not the colour of their skin. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/19/it-must-be-exhausting-to-be-kemi-badenoch-anger-her-ever-faithful-companion Edited February 22 by sadoldgit Added text 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Oh dear. Her tactics don’t seem to be working. Duckie/hypo will have us believe that it is due to the colour of her skin rather than the fact that she is a nasty piece of work peddling lies and nasty politics. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/kemi-badenoch-second-last-in-voters-preference-for-next-tory-leader-poll-shows/ar-BB1iH6yy?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e99570515bc54d29947deaaa2b3f4180&ei=11 The two resident laughing hyenas can have another chuckle but fail to realise the laugh is on them and the people they support. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Evidence now that a prosecution Lawyer in one case "advised" a supposedly independent expert witness IT specialist on how to alter his testimony to better support the Post Office's case. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68606121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 23/02/2024 at 00:03, sadoldgit said: Oh dear. Her tactics don’t seem to be working. Duckie/hypo will have us believe that it is due to the colour of her skin rather than the fact that she is a nasty piece of work peddling lies and nasty politics. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/kemi-badenoch-second-last-in-voters-preference-for-next-tory-leader-poll-shows/ar-BB1iH6yy?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e99570515bc54d29947deaaa2b3f4180&ei=11 The two resident laughing hyenas can have another chuckle but fail to realise the laugh is on them and the people they support. It's certainly not the people you claim to support given that they spectacularly failed to get anywhere near any sort of political power in decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Bates Statue Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 23/02/2024 at 00:03, sadoldgit said: Oh dear. Her tactics don’t seem to be working. Duckie/hypo will have us believe that it is due to the colour of her skin rather than the fact that she is a nasty piece of work peddling lies and nasty politics. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/kemi-badenoch-second-last-in-voters-preference-for-next-tory-leader-poll-shows/ar-BB1iH6yy?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e99570515bc54d29947deaaa2b3f4180&ei=11 The two resident laughing hyenas can have another chuckle but fail to realise the laugh is on them and the people they support. I clicked just to check whether Mordaunt would be at the top of the list and was relieved to see she is. Even if they get wiped out at the election, the tories need at minimum a safe pair of hands in the medium-term and I think she will be one of the more sensible ones left. I imagine Ben Wallace would have been up there too, had he shown an interest in staying on. I wonder what his plans are. Both parties seem hell-bent on demonstrating that their members are incapable of seeing the wood for the trees. You still get large numbers of labour voters who think Corbyn was a winner, and the tories spent ages mucking about with Hague and IDS when Hague should have held back from the leadership for about a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Might be a few PO lawyers up for misconduct hearings if they knew about the Deloitte report and didn't disclose it in the Court cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 https://www.itv.com/news/2024-03-28/secret-tape-reveals-paula-vennells-was-told-about-faulty-horizon-software No surprise Vennells knew more than she claimed, she had the power to resolve it years ago, but chose to continually lie to cover up for a rotten organisation. That's what her Church of England training taught her, the organisation is more important than the people. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 People in that organisation need to be prosecuted and serve some time. Immoral bastards letting others get done knowing it was unfair. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Alan Bates giving evidence to the enquiry today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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