trousers Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) This Stephen Bradshaw fella is a nice bloke.... #publicenquiry Edited January 11 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 11 minutes ago, trousers said: This Stephen Bradshaw fella is a nice bloke.... #publicenquiry In a Mafia hitman / SS camp guard sort of way. "I was only following orders"'. Edited January 11 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 19 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: In a Mafia hitman / SS camp guard sort of way. "I was only following orders"'. Indeed. For someone that has worked for the same organisation for as long as he has (and continues to do so to this day) has a surprising lack of expertise and insight into what went on... Edited January 11 by trousers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Posted above; "....but, as the head of the CPS he would have been more than aware of the cases". "Postmasters were hounded by the Crown Prosecution Service during Sir Keir Starmer's time in charge"', what do you think the Daily Mail is trying to imply with this statement ? Daily Telegraph - "Starmer faces questions over why he failed to intervene in Post Office scandal". Nigel Farage : "“The DPP has the right to intervene in any prosecution. Where was Starmer?” I don't see the same issue being raised in relation to the other 3 DPPs who were in post during the prosecution period, 1999-2015. I'm not sure why the person at the top would have any involvement in run of the mill prosecutions, and more to the point, why anyone thinks that it would be for that person to doubt the veracity of the evidence supporting the case. It's for the defence to challenge the evidence, and the court to test it and decide. People attacking Starmer over this are making a shit point, in a shit way. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 6 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: GB News in trouble again https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-67943541 It’d be a problem only if anyone actually watched the grubby little non-dom funded freak show. OFCOM should force them to put the Tory tree logo in the top corner of the screen. Who the fuck would want to watch politicians of any persuasion marking their own homework live on air? Lee Anderson show apparently tomorrow. Must be like a rollercoaster for the producers terrified that he’ll tell someone to fuck off at any given moment live on air. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, egg said: I'm not sure why the person at the top would have any involvement in run of the mill prosecutions, and more to the point, why anyone thinks that it would be for that person to doubt the veracity of the evidence supporting the case. It's for the defence to challenge the evidence, and the court to test it and decide. People attacking Starmer over this are making a shit point, in a shit way. The role of Director of Public Prosecution is expected to be an omnipresent all knowing super human capable of detecting and resolving all crimes and righting all miscarriages of justice. He's at the top you see so he's accountable for everything that ever happens or didn't happen with criminal cases. Well, not now, he doesn't need to be that now. Or before 2008, he didn't need to be that then either. But between 2008-2013 he definitely did need to be that. Before and after those two points no one gives a flying fuck about what any Director of Public Prosecution ever did. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, egg said: I'm not sure why the person at the top would have any involvement in run of the mill prosecutions, and more to the point, why anyone thinks that it would be for that person to doubt the veracity of the evidence supporting the case. It's for the defence to challenge the evidence, and the court to test it and decide. People attacking Starmer over this are making a shit point, in a shit way. There were something like 4 million cases prosecuted during his tenure as DPP and he is expected to be across all of them! It was made very clear that the person heading up the organisation doesn’t get involved in day to day operations when he was accused of not prosecuting Savile. There are a number of Chief Crown Prosecutors over various regions who are responsible for the cases prosecuted in their regions and below them are an area manager and the reviewing lawyer. It appears that the CPS prosecuted 11 cases. It is there job to prosecute if it is deemed to be in the public interest to do so and there is a fair chance of a successful prosecution based on the evidence provided by the police. It should be remembered that some of the post mastrr er s prosecuted for fraud were actually guilty. It should also be remembered that the CPS present the cases but it is down to the court to bring in the verdict. More complaints to Ofcom against the GB News attempts to smear anyone that isn’t a Tory. Farage and Rees Mogg are quick to point the finger at Starmer and Davey but not a word about the numerous Tory ministers who have been involved in this over the years. We even had Sunak having a dig at the leader of the SNP in the Commons yesterday accusing him of politicising the scandal yet not much earlier Lee Anderson stood up and did exactly that at PMQs, calling for Davey to quit. No bias or doubled standards here, no sir. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 48 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: There were something like 4 million cases prosecuted during his tenure as DPP and he is expected to be across all of them! It was made very clear that the person heading up the organisation doesn’t get involved in day to day operations when he was accused of not prosecuting Savile. There are a number of Chief Crown Prosecutors over various regions who are responsible for the cases prosecuted in their regions and below them are an area manager and the reviewing lawyer. It appears that the CPS prosecuted 11 cases. It is there job to prosecute if it is deemed to be in the public interest to do so and there is a fair chance of a successful prosecution based on the evidence provided by the police. It should be remembered that some of the post mastrr er s prosecuted for fraud were actually guilty. It should also be remembered that the CPS present the cases but it is down to the court to bring in the verdict. More complaints to Ofcom against the GB News attempts to smear anyone that isn’t a Tory. Farage and Rees Mogg are quick to point the finger at Starmer and Davey but not a word about the numerous Tory ministers who have been involved in this over the years. We even had Sunak having a dig at the leader of the SNP in the Commons yesterday accusing him of politicising the scandal yet not much earlier Lee Anderson stood up and did exactly that at PMQs, calling for Davey to quit. No bias or doubled standards here, no sir. Did you do much of the typing for any of the cases SOG? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67884743 "The BBC can reveal that in the period leading up to the broadcast of Trouble at the Post Office, the 2015 Panorama programme featuring the whistleblower testimony: Experts interviewed by the BBC were sent intimidating letters by Post Office lawyers about their participation in the programme Senior Post Office managers briefed the BBC that neither their staff nor Fujitsu - the company which built and maintained the Horizon system - could remotely access sub-postmasters' accounts, even though Post Office directors had been warned four years earlier that such remote access was possible Lawyers for the Post Office sent letters threatening to sue Panorama and the company's public relations boss Mark Davies escalated complaints to ever more senior BBC managers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Why does Soggy keep lumping Davey in with Starmer on this? It’s not just GB news or the “far right” that are calling for his head, it’s the victims, including a constituent jailed who claims Davey refused to meet him. Not as a minister, but as his MP. There’s now talk of a victim standing against him at the GE, and not for the NF either. The Davey situation isn’t manufactured political outrage, and he knows it. If it was he’d have been at PMQ’s Weds and attended the debate on the scandal. Personally, I’d be surprised if he rode this out, but it’s certainly not a right wing conspiracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, badgerx16 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67884743 "The BBC can reveal that in the period leading up to the broadcast of Trouble at the Post Office, the 2015 Panorama programme featuring the whistleblower testimony: Experts interviewed by the BBC were sent intimidating letters by Post Office lawyers about their participation in the programme Senior Post Office managers briefed the BBC that neither their staff nor Fujitsu - the company which built and maintained the Horizon system - could remotely access sub-postmasters' accounts, even though Post Office directors had been warned four years earlier that such remote access was possible Lawyers for the Post Office sent letters threatening to sue Panorama and the company's public relations boss Mark Davies escalated complaints to ever more senior BBC managers" "Then-chief executive Paula Vennells congratulated Mark Davies and his PR team on their "extensive work"." She really is a nasty corporate lackey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 34 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Why does Soggy keep lumping Davey in with Starmer on this? It’s not just GB news or the “far right” that are calling for his head, it’s the victims, including a constituent jailed who claims Davey refused to meet him. Not as a minister, but as his MP. There’s now talk of a victim standing against him at the GE, and not for the NF either. The Davey situation isn’t manufactured political outrage, and he knows it. If it was he’d have been at PMQ’s Weds and attended the debate on the scandal. Personally, I’d be surprised if he rode this out, but it’s certainly not a right wing conspiracy. It is a right wing conspiracy if when seeking sanctions against a Lib-Dem minister in the role for two years you completly ignore similarly culpable tory ministers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: It is a right wing conspiracy if when seeking sanctions against a Lib-Dem minister in the role for two years you completly ignore similarly culpable tory ministers. It's almost as if you agree they are all as bad as each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: It's almost as if you agree they are all as bad as each other Similarly culpable is your clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 It isn't just those that were sctually prosecuted that were shafted by Horizon, potentially hundreds of other SPMs avoided Court appearances by repaying shortfalls amounting to to hundreds of pounds from other sources of personal income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Ian Hislop calls for Paula Vennels to be given back her CBE - so that she can be officially stripped of it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Ian Hislop calls for Paula Vennels to be given back her CBE - so that she can be officially stripped of it. Ooh, I like that idea. Especially if it is done formally in public. I like those scenes where somebody is formally cashiered in the army and they rip their insignia off their uniforms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 34 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Ooh, I like that idea. Especially if it is done formally in public. I like those scenes where somebody is formally cashiered in the army and they rip their insignia off their uniforms. This sort of thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, whelk said: This sort of thing? It’s a start 🫣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) HMRC are investigating some creative accounting at the PO: payments made as penalties, such as compensation to the SPMs, are not tax deductible for the purposes of Corporation Tax, but must be deducted before calculating profit related bonuses. The PO did the opposite, deducting the compensation before calculating their CT, thereby lowering their tax liability, but included them when calculating, and thereby Inflating, Director bonuses. Unfortunately this is likely to result in one government department fining another, with the tax payer footing the bill. If the full amount is found to be due the PO could effectively be insolvent. Edited January 13 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: HMRC are investigating some creative accounting at the PO: payments made as penalties, such as compensation to the SPMs, are not tax deductible for the purposes of Corporation Tax, but must be deducted before calculating profit related bonuses. The PO did the opposite, deducting the compensation before calculating their CT, thereby lowering their tax liability, but included them when calculating, and thereby Inflating, Director bonuses. Unfortunately this is likely to result in one government department fining another, with the tax payer footing the bill. If the full amount is found to be due the PO could effectively be insolvent. But hopefully will lead to criminal prosecutions for false accounting - what a delicious irony that would be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: But hopefully will lead to criminal prosecutions for false accounting - what a delicious irony that would be. No problem. They would simply blame software mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 21 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: It is a right wing conspiracy if when seeking sanctions against a Lib-Dem minister in the role for two years you completly ignore similarly culpable tory ministers. So the victims are part of a “right wing conspiracy “ They clearly don’t share your opinion that other ministers are similarly culpable. There doesn’t appear to be plans for a post office candidate to run against others in the general election, why is that? They’re not calling for other ministers to stand down, why is that? Oh of course, it’s all a “right wing conspiracy “ . They know more than you or I, and they’re reserving particular ire for Sir Ed, Probably because he “fobbed off” Bates more than other ministers, refused to help a convicted post master constituent, ended up working for the lawyers who defended the PO (a firm which his brother was also a senior partner), and has now disappeared of the radar and didn’t appear for the debate in the week. Maybe it is a vast right wing conspiracy as you claim, or maybe the victims feel that he was the worst of a bad bunch. My monies on the latter, yours appears to be on the former. Jo Hamilton, new new Kate Hopkins 😂 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The Lib Dem minister is one of the seventeen Post Office ministers of all parties who failed to deal with this. But with the lies getting worse and the proof coming to light in the last decade, the latter ministers should perhaps be under more scrutiny. Add in the direct link between the Conservative party and Fujitsu and you can see that the focus on the Lib Dems and the former DPP is just electioneering distractions. Like a war. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: So the victims are part of a “right wing conspiracy “ They clearly don’t share your opinion that other ministers are similarly culpable. There doesn’t appear to be plans for a post office candidate to run against others in the general election, why is that? They’re not calling for other ministers to stand down, why is that? Oh of course, it’s all a “right wing conspiracy “ . They know more than you or I, and they’re reserving particular ire for Sir Ed, Probably because he “fobbed off” Bates more than other ministers, refused to help a convicted post master constituent, ended up working for the lawyers who defended the PO (a firm which his brother was also a senior partner), and has now disappeared of the radar and didn’t appear for the debate in the week. Maybe it is a vast right wing conspiracy as you claim, or maybe the victims feel that he was the worst of a bad bunch. My monies on the latter, yours appears to be on the former. Jo Hamilton, new new Kate Hopkins 😂 What a load of bollocks. Private Eye has been running stories about the scandal for years. Years when Conservative ministers were in charge of the Post Office. Why didn't one of them follow up on the work done by Private Eye? Were they too thick or don't you Gammons want to think about Tory culprits? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: So the victims are part of a “right wing conspiracy “ They clearly don’t share your opinion that other ministers are similarly culpable. There doesn’t appear to be plans for a post office candidate to run against others in the general election, why is that? They’re not calling for other ministers to stand down, why is that? Oh of course, it’s all a “right wing conspiracy “ . They know more than you or I, and they’re reserving particular ire for Sir Ed, Probably because he “fobbed off” Bates more than other ministers, refused to help a convicted post master constituent, ended up working for the lawyers who defended the PO (a firm which his brother was also a senior partner), and has now disappeared of the radar and didn’t appear for the debate in the week. Maybe it is a vast right wing conspiracy as you claim, or maybe the victims feel that he was the worst of a bad bunch. My monies on the latter, yours appears to be on the former. Jo Hamilton, new new Kate Hopkins 😂 More clueless pub bore nonsense. I never said that the wronged PO people were part of the conspiracy. I said that GB News, The Mail and all the stuff on your FB timeline is, because they are only pointing the finger at Ed Davey and Blair. Sure Davey didn't cover himself in glory but he's way down the food chain and your concentration on him is odd, it only shows that here's yet another issue you haven't properly got to grips with. You care so much about Mr Bates you don't even know his first name. Ed Davey fobbed off Alan Bates, I wonder who was the first minister to eventually meet with him? And the women standing against Davey wasn't even a wronged sub post mistress, she couldn't find one who wanted to do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: You care so much about Mr Bates you don't even know his first name. Ted Edited January 13 by Weston Super Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 39 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Ted Nice 👏🏽 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Duckhunter Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I see Davey has emerged from his bunker & given itv an interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I see Davey has emerged from his bunker & given itv an interview Point of order... It's only ok to mock politicians that hide in fridges to avoid interviews; bunkers are fine... Edited January 13 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) Has hit Davey’s ratings but not those of the party. Sections of the press in the pocket of Brine, Baker, Redwood and others who are at risk defeated by Lib Dem candidates in their seats. Davey has shown a lack of empathy which doesn’t look great but there’s plenty of other ministers, including Priti Patel (see below) who didn’t dig deep enough. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/13/ed-daveys-approval-rating-takes-a-big-hit-from-the-post-office-scandal As for Patel’s snipe in the Sun today, if she had such a keen interest and awareness of the scandal, why didn’t she badger around the cabinet table about getting the convictions overturned and compensation underway? Boris promised on taking power to get to the bottom of the saga, Home Sec and Justice Sec work closely together, nothing stopping her taking action. Blames Lib Dem and Labour but it was the Conservatives who approved the flawed tender in 1996 and Labour failed to cancel it, even after the Benefits Agency part of the tender was decoupled. If you’re a Tory donor, it’s OK to be rewarded for failure at Fujitsu with another lucrative suck on the public teat, with our money https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/fujitsu-post-office-scandal-building-digital-uk/ Whats worse, Blagden has acted as a large scale parasite on the NHS too https://www.vice.com/en/article/59x7wz/fujitsu-uk-sues-department-health-simon-blagden-tory-donor Reality - PO and Fujitsu conned all parties, good summary here https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/12/post-office-it-scandal-politicians-blame Pile on from the right will switch to Blagden and Fujitsu next week, in fact if you look online, DT, Mail, Sun and non-right Mirror and others already well underway. Calls to suspend those large scale public contracts awarded by the Tories, which is what the distraction tactics and Davey pile on is really about. Edited January 13 by Gloucester Saint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gloucester Saint Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Lib Dems mistake has been to react to the GB News sections with the OFCOM complaint, which has shown CCO that they are rattled by it so CCO has demanded that Ted Verity at the Mail piles onto Davey as part of the Mail’s debt from the WFH hostility to stop their media group going pop. Whereas Labour has simply said that it was 000.1% of CPS cases out of 4m - why would the Director have had special awareness? It’s the difference in resources and professionalism between the LDs and two main parties who are better able to whip up a storm or shrug it off untouched. It’s how this GE year is going to be, so they have to wise up and be prepared to counter attack tactically. There’s plenty there to attack with the Tories with rape allegations all over the place, corruption which is rampant, woeful economic performance the worst the UK has experienced and civil war over the Rwanda policy as a starter for a million. Trying to stand up to GB News when it only has 300 watching in Mansfield or Dagenham ranting incoherently after the seventh can of Banks Bitter from Home Bargains is not a hill to die on. Davey should have just apologised last night and it would have blown itself out in a few days. Anyone with a brain knows the PO leadership and Fujitsu were lying en masse - Blagden due to give evidence to the enquiry next week and given his entangled relationships with the Tories they are fearing their turn to get a hammering. Added to that is that senior DCMS and UK Government Investment civil servants were non-Exec members of the PO Board during the coalition after Davey’s time as Postal Minister - what did they know? One is a current permanent Secretary now and depute to give evidence too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) Quick and dirty summary of a FUJITSU 3rd line team leader giving evidence; "Does the audit and reporting system hold all the data for a transaction ?"' - "No"' "What information might not be fully present on these audit records ?" - "Possibly information indicating failed bank transfers and automated payments"'. "'Were 3rd line support staff aware of this ?" - "'Yes" "Did the FUJITSU litigation support staff working from this data know that it was possibly not complete ?" - "'I don't think so"'. "Were the Post Office investigators who were passed this information aware ?" - "No"' "Have any 3rd line staff ever provided witness statements in support of a civil or criminal prosecution?" - '"No"'. Edited January 17 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) I've been watching some of the offcial enquiry videos from last year and this particular one made my jaw drop.... it's one of the Post Office's prosecuting lawyers... the level of denial and seemingly faux ignorance is astounding.... "yes, I sent those emails but the words weren't mine...." It's 2.5 hours long but the half hour or so from around 48m 20s onwards is enough to make your blood boil Edited January 18 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I know MB v The PO is a drama, but I expect it closely resembles a true account. The thing that got me was how lucky tje sub postmasters were to win, the odds are so stacked in the favour of the establishment. Also the level of denial by the corporate zombies was astonishing. I know the type of person who wants to climb up the ladder in those organisations becomes ultra corporate, but their determination to protect the POPO turned, what assume were, good people into evil people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: I know MB v The PO is a drama, but I expect it closely resembles a true account. The thing that got me was how lucky tje sub postmasters were to win, the odds are so stacked in the favour of the establishment. Also the level of denial by the corporate zombies was astonishing. I know the type of person who wants to climb up the ladder in those organisations becomes ultra corporate, but their determination to protect the POPO turned, what assume were, good people into evil people. It's incredible how often the sniff of a promotion/success in the corporate world turns decent people into wankers. It happens an awful lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 45 minutes ago, Turkish said: It's incredible how often the sniff of a promotion/success in the corporate world turns decent people into wankers. It happens an awful lot. Also seems like maybe more prevalent in public sector than private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 43 minutes ago, Turkish said: It's incredible how often the sniff of a promotion/success in the corporate world turns decent people into wankers. It happens an awful lot. Yep, I've worked with a few. A very minor example comes to mind. A corporate away day and one of the 'break out' sessions was some wacky junkyard band. They kept asking for volunteers to join them, there were no takers, so eventually a boss jump up, followed quickly by a brown nosing colleague who was happy to trade his self respect for a sniff of promotion. He undoubtedly now has a bigger house and nicer car than me, but I can still see him now 20 year later, dad dancing to reggae, whilst banging a hub cap, fuck that shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 8 minutes ago, whelk said: Also seems like maybe more prevalent in public sector than private. I don't know about that, worked in both and have friends in both, couldn't call it either way. But my assumption would be that it's worse in the private sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said: Yep, I've worked with a few. A very minor example comes to mind. A corporate away day and one of the 'break out' sessions was some wacky junkyard band. They kept asking for volunteers to join them, there were no takers, so eventually a boss jump up, followed quickly by a brown nosing colleague who was happy to trade his self respect for a sniff of promotion. He undoubtedly now has a bigger house and nicer car than me, but I can still see him now 20 year later, dad dancing to reggae, whilst banging a hub cap, fuck that shit. I know someone very similar, he's basically spent most of the last 15 years or so brown nosing, spending his weekends with his managers and their wives going for weekends away with them etc. He's done very well from it, he's been promoted several times now has a very senior role in another company and to be fair he is very capable and good at what he does but fuck me to make that the only thing in life that defines you to the point where pretty much your whole life revolves around work and your friends are people in the industry is pretty tragic. I'm sure he thinks it's great now but in 15 years or so i wonder if he'll look back and think it was all a bit of a waste and his old mates that he now considers he's left behind will suddenly become important again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 hours ago, Turkish said: I know someone very similar, he's basically spent most of the last 15 years or so brown nosing, spending his weekends with his managers and their wives going for weekends away with them etc. He's done very well from it, he's been promoted several times now has a very senior role in another company and to be fair he is very capable and good at what he does but fuck me to make that the only thing in life that defines you to the point where pretty much your whole life revolves around work and your friends are people in the industry is pretty tragic. I'm sure he thinks it's great now but in 15 years or so i wonder if he'll look back and think it was all a bit of a waste and his old mates that he now considers he's left behind will suddenly become important again. They say that you should always be nice to people when you're on the way up because you'll probably meet them again when you're on the way down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Is it me or does this Paul Patterson chap sound like a dead ringer for Roy Hodgson...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, trousers said: Is it me or does this Paul Patterson chap sound like a dead ringer for Roy Hodgson...? I wonder if he's been told to just admit to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: I wonder if he's been told to just admit to everything. Does seem that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Paul Patterson said he was surprised to discover that FUJITSU had a litigation support team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Robert Dailey, who was the PO Investigations Manager during much of the period being investigated, admits to the inquiry that he included his wife's academic qualifications on his CV instead of his own when applying for a job in 2008. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 It’s getting worse https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68079300?fbclid=IwAR1WXTF-MQc_aLDH8JqSqTkqPT9pXQd-tus7nTiaKO3YgOVgnpFcK-9ZwRY_aem_AcOB0SWxfSL87Ko20Hceu38rXSUa2hqGxuUOiaED47jQ_ah_B3MmOeC3JHwnlGk9Hdw a lot of people should be doing jail time for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 24 minutes ago, Turkish said: It’s getting worse https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68079300?fbclid=IwAR1WXTF-MQc_aLDH8JqSqTkqPT9pXQd-tus7nTiaKO3YgOVgnpFcK-9ZwRY_aem_AcOB0SWxfSL87Ko20Hceu38rXSUa2hqGxuUOiaED47jQ_ah_B3MmOeC3JHwnlGk9Hdw a lot of people should be doing jail time for this Indeed. If no-one ends up doing time for this it'll be just as scandalous as the original cover up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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