Fabio Carvalho

[Appy]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:33, Dman said:

I'm not 100% sure he's what we need - seems to generally play off the left or more centrally. Unless someone like Alcaraz is off, both are positions we're pretty well stocked in. 

Fair play to Hull however. Building a really good squad for the back end of the season. 

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Agreed, seems more of a wide ten, than a pacey winger, would’ve been a good signing, but I don’t see losing out as a disaster. 

[trousers]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:23, CSA96 said:

Carvalho held positive talks with Hull head coach Liam Rosenior and Liverpool team-mate Tyler Morton, who is there on a season-long deal.

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For a young player going to unfamiliar territory, having a 'mate' at the club is probably a bigger factor than we might think, especially if the final decision is ultimately with the player rather than either club.

[revolution saint]

It's probably more to do with guarantees of playing time than anything else.  He wants and needs as many games as possible and Hull are probably making a more convincing case than we are of him getting it.

[Dman]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:36, Appy said:

Agreed, seems more of a wide ten, than a pacey winger, would’ve been a good signing, but I don’t see losing out as a disaster. 

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I really like the look of the David Brooks links. I think he'd be very similar to Fraser for us. 7 or 8 out of 10 every week 

[trousers]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:41, revolution saint said:

It's probably more to do with guarantees of playing time than anything else.  He wants and needs as many games as possible and Hull are probably making a more convincing case than we are of him getting it.

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In one of the reports quoted above, that doesn't seem to be an issue/factor, on the surface; i.e. "The proposals from both Hull and Southampton suit Liverpool so it will be Carvalho’s decision" (David Ormstein). If we weren't offering a similar amount of game time then I doubt that would "suit" Liverpool...?

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[ErwinK1961]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:43, Dman said:

I really like the look of the David Brooks links. I think he'd be very similar to Fraser for us. 7 or 8 out of 10 every week 

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I’m with you, think he suits us down to the ground. 

[revolution saint]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:47, trousers said:

In one of the reports quoted above, that doesn't seem to be an issue/factor, on the surface; i.e. "The proposals from both Hull and Southampton suit Liverpool so it will be Carvalho’s decision" (David Ormstein)

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They'll have had more detailed discussions about what kind of role he would be playing and how much.  Both proposals may be acceptable but one might be better than the other from a playing perspective.  Or he may just really like his mate and not want to be too far away from him like you suggested.

[gio1saints]

He will start every week at Hull be there superstar player and likely they will accommodate for his talent and play FOR him - not other way around. He might play 20 full matches between now and end season that way. 

I strongly doubt he plays that many for Saints. I strongly doubt we make him our main man either. He has to buckle down and win and keep his place in our first 11. With strong international quality competition there. 

Given same money for both I know which looks better to a kid. ( though possibility of getting a medal with Saints is a factor I guess?) 

Edited 8 January, 2024 by gio1saints

[Harry_SFC]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:57, ErwinK1961 said:

I’m with you, think he suits us down to the ground. 

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Plus he's a genuine right sided player. It's gone quiet on him though. 

[woodsaint1]

Maybe Carvalho doesnt like the prospect of playing slow, ponderous, crab-like Russball....

In all seriousness though, sometimes it can come down to a simple preference of the player, for instance living closer to Liverpool. Disappointing to miss out on a quality player but no doubt we'll get a good option in

[pimpin4rizeal]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:41, revolution saint said:

It's probably more to do with guarantees of playing time than anything else.  He wants and needs as many games as possible and Hull are probably making a more convincing case than we are of him getting it.

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Was gonna say the same,and I think we are right not to do that.  Arma is doing great there,It seems a bit like trying to mess with the winning formula to start changing this to bring in a new left footed right winger.Makes much more sense to just sign  a proper cf and leave Armstrong there 

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[AlexLaw76]

  On 08/01/2024 at 16:19, pimpin4rizeal said:

Was gonna say the same and I think we are right not to do that.  Arma is doing great there It seems a bit like trying to mess with the winning formula to start changing this to bring in a new left footed right winger makes much more sense to just sign  a proper cf and leave Armstrong there 

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But we are clearly looking to being in a wide right type of player.

[Badger]

  On 08/01/2024 at 16:19, pimpin4rizeal said:

Was gonna say the same and I think we are right not to do that.  Arma is doing great there It seems a bit like trying to mess with the winning formula to start changing this to bring in a new left footed right winger makes much more sense to just sign  a proper cf and leave Armstrong there 

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Agreed, but we've been crying out for that for at least two seasons haven't we ? Not confident they'll address that now, it's almost a 'mental block'.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:35, SotonianWill said:

It’s a sad day when someone chooses Hull over us

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In our Geography lessons, we were told the River Humber is the arsehole of England and Hull is half way up it! Indeed a sad day and where does it put us?

Still think we need to dig up a proper No9 first.

[M271]

Gone on loan to Hull

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67929036

[Patches O Houlihan]

  On 08/01/2024 at 10:38, trousers said:

For a young player going to unfamiliar territory, having a 'mate' at the club is probably a bigger factor than we might think, especially if the final decision is ultimately with the player rather than either club.

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Does Charly have any handy mates back home who might fancy a loan? 🧐

Edited 11 January, 2024 by Patches O Houlihan

[skintsaint]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1745045322550706457

[John B]

  On 10/01/2024 at 16:32, M271 said:

Gone on loan to Hull

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67929036

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Just shows it is not as easy as a great many on here think it is to get decent players to come to SFC

 

It's not like buying everyday items when you recruit footballers who have the choice of saying no when approaches come to join the club and no seems the answer to a great deal of our questions

[coalman]

At a certain point we should accept that Carvalho doesn't want to play for Saints. He chose the Liverpool bench over us and now he wants to live in Hull. If that's not saying "I hate Southampton and never want to live there" without saying "I hate Southampton and never want to live there" then I don't know what is.