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4 minutes ago, TWar said:

 

 

But if your intention is to cut it back from the by-line then it doesn't matter, that's the basis of how Djenepo plays.

As me and Egg have already explained to you,(without needing my grandson to draw a picture with his new Xmas crayons) if both the full back and the wide men favour the “wrong” foot you’ll condense the pitch and make it easier to defend against.

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5 minutes ago, TWar said:

Low crosses and pullbacks aren't as important to be on the outside foot. KWP can easily beat his man, turn perpendicular to the goal and pull it back right footed, and he does this very often as well as driving along the line in order to get a better angle. Crossing with your left foot from the left is generally better as an out-swinger gives you more room to work with, see my frankly gorgeous illustration (where black is attackers, red is defenders/keeper, blue is an inswinger and red is an outswinger):

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But if your intention is to cut it back from the by-line then it doesn't matter, that's the basis of how Djenepo plays.

Yesterday worked as we weren't reliant on hitting Broja from out wide. Moi got his goal from a short pass from KWP coming in from the left. There's often as much benefit in giving the ball to a man breaking forward with team mates ahead of him as pinging it in (high, low, in swing, out swing) with only defenders between him and the goal. Yesterday's formation and line up gave us lots of options I thought. 

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1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

As me and Egg have already explained to you,(without needing my grandson to draw a picture with his new Xmas crayons) if both the full back and the wide men favour the “wrong” foot you’ll condense the pitch and make it easier to defend against.

Not really. If you aren't crossing then you can very easily have KWP drift inside and (for example) Djenepo go outside and then drive along the byline and cut it back. That is still using the width, it's just not crossing. Ideally, yes, a left footer on the left would be better as then a cross would be a weapon in our arsenal but as a team that don't cross much anyway and therefore didn't put "scores headers" in the black box when looking for forwards, a rightfooter hitting the by line, driving into the box and pulling it back is just as good and provides just as much width as a left footer doing the same.

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Just now, egg said:

Yesterday worked as we weren't reliant on hitting Broja from out wide. Moi got his goal from a short pass from KWP coming in from the left. There's often as much benefit in giving the ball to a man breaking forward with team mates ahead of him as pinging it in (high, low, in swing, out swing) with only defenders between him and the goal. Yesterday's formation and line up gave us lots of options I thought. 

Agreed,  Broja over Armstrong is the key. Gives us some many more options. Unbelievable anyone could think otherwise……

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1 minute ago, egg said:

Yesterday worked as we weren't reliant on hitting Broja from out wide. Moi got his goal from a short pass from KWP coming in from the left. There's often as much benefit in giving the ball to a man breaking forward with team mates ahead of him as pinging it in (high, low, in swing, out swing) with only defenders between him and the goal. Yesterday's formation and line up gave us lots of options I thought. 

Yeah I really like the 4141. I wasn't initially sold on Broja (and still think he's a smidge overrated on here being talked about as a £40m player and CL level) but in a 4141 he's lethal, especially when our fullbacks and attacking mids are all pitching in to make chances.

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3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Agreed,  Broja over Armstrong is the key. Gives us some many more options. Unbelievable anyone could think otherwise……

Why not both? Unless you are wedded to Theo Walcott...

In a 4141 Broja is the lone striker but in a 4222 I think Broja Armstrong will be first choice.

Also Broja over Armstrong wasn't the key, the change in formation was. I think it's amazing how when individual errors happen you rush to blame the manager but when we completely nullify a team with a new formation then it's definitely one player (a player who also played in the ones we didn't win).

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Agreed,  Broja over Armstrong is the key. Gives us some many more options. Unbelievable anyone could think otherwise……

Broja gives us so much more. The run for the penalty was superb - we have nobody else to do that, and actually there aren't many in the league who'd have earned that penalty. If we had decent crossers you'd back him to get on the end of plenty as well. He's got a massive future. 

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2 minutes ago, TWar said:

Yeah I really like the 4141. I wasn't initially sold on Broja (and still think he's a smidge overrated on here being talked about as a £40m player and CL level) but in a 4141 he's lethal, especially when our fullbacks and attacking mids are all pitching in to make chances.

Amazing that you can't see this lads potential. Two feet, close control, powerful running, pace, great turn, finishing, good in the air. He'll be more than a £40m player. 

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3 minutes ago, egg said:

Amazing that you can't see this lads potential. Two feet, close control, powerful running, pace, great turn, finishing, good in the air. He'll be more than a £40m player. 

Doesn't strike me as particularly 2 footed, he is a good runner, pacy and powerful which I didn't give him credit for before and does finish well. I think he's a good player but he does go missing quite often in games. Decent player, worth starting for now, and probably would be a good deal at £20m which is more than I said for him before but £40m is a special player. Last summer £20m got you a Daka, Eduoard, or Andre Silva, he is not twice the player as them. I mean for £40m you could get a Tammy Abraham. £40m for a player on course for an 8-12 goal prem season would be very steep. If by "he'll be" you mean in the future, maybe, but certainly not this summer coming unless he absolutely explodes in the second half of the season.

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27 minutes ago, TWar said:

Why not both? Unless you are wedded to Theo Walcott...

In a 4141 Broja is the lone striker but in a 4222 I think Broja Armstrong will be first choice.

Also Broja over Armstrong wasn't the key, the change in formation was. I think it's amazing how when individual errors happen you rush to blame the manager but when we completely nullify a team with a new formation then it's definitely one player (a player who also played in the ones we didn't win).

Completely nullify!? They scored 2 goals ffs 

As for the 4222 formation, it’s garbage. We’re not suited to play that style, far to open and defensively not strong enough to cover for AM’s pressing high and full backs being out of position. 
 

I’m reluctant to give the manager credit for changing formation as he’s served up the same shite for the whole year. Let’s hope this time he learns. 

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Just now, Dman said:

Completely nullify!? They scored 2 goals ffs 

As for the 4222 formation, it’s garbage. We’re not suited to play that style, far to open and defensively not strong enough to cover for AM’s pressing high and full backs being out of position. 
 

I’m reluctant to give the manager credit for changing formation as he’s served up the same shite for the whole year. Let’s hope this time he learns. 

Ayy it's DMan! Here to complain that in our victory away to a european level team we conceded two goals in the process so don't be too happy! 

He gets a quick chance to slag off the manager but no opportunity to big up Pompey or Villa as one didn't play and the other lost but atleast you are here to remind everyone that even though we won, don't for a moment think our manager isn't a clueless idiot.

Honestly, even if you are a skate this goes above and beyond, did Ralph personally slight you?

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2 minutes ago, TWar said:

Ayy it's DMan! Here to complain that in our victory away to a european level team we conceded two goals in the process so don't be too happy! 

He gets a quick chance to slag off the manager but no opportunity to big up Pompey or Villa as one didn't play and the other lost but atleast you are here to remind everyone that even though we won, don't for a moment think our manager isn't a clueless idiot.

Honestly, even if you are a skate this goes above and beyond, did Ralph personally slight you?

So what did you mean by completely nullify ? Your losing the plot mate.

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32 minutes ago, TWar said:

Doesn't strike me as particularly 2 footed, he is a good runner, pacy and powerful which I didn't give him credit for before and does finish well. I think he's a good player but he does go missing quite often in games. Decent player, worth starting for now, and probably would be a good deal at £20m which is more than I said for him before but £40m is a special player. Last summer £20m got you a Daka, Eduoard, or Andre Silva, he is not twice the player as them. I mean for £40m you could get a Tammy Abraham. £40m for a player on course for an 8-12 goal prem season would be very steep. If by "he'll be" you mean in the future, maybe, but certainly not this summer coming unless he absolutely explodes in the second half of the season.

He's probably on course for 8-12 this season because he plays for us, and is in and out of the team. Stick him in a decent team where he gets proper service, and plays regularly, and he'll score plenty. 

We'll agree to differ on this lad, but I think he'll be one hell of a player. 

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3 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

So what did you mean by completely nullify ? Your losing the plot mate.

I mean we were completely on top for most of the first half, conceded a couple of goals due to individual errors (Bednarek still isn't very good, also the first looked offside to me and would have been if they were still accurately drawing lines) but tactically the way we set up disrupted their flow, meant they couldn't get up ahead of steam, and gave us a good platform to win, which we did. It's not a one off either, we did the same change of tactics in the first game against them and it worked then too.

Also, this lad has said that we are in a worse position than pompey, Ralph is worse than the guy in charge of san marino, slags off every player and the manager whenever we lose and when we get a result goes silent until there is a chance to point out that it wasn't that good. He has already been banned once for being a blatant troll. 

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3 minutes ago, egg said:

He's probably on course for 8-12 this season because he plays for us, and is in and out of the team. Stick him in a decent team where he gets proper service, and plays regularly, and he'll score plenty. 

We'll agree to differ on this lad, but I think he'll be one hell of a player. 

Maybe he will shine at a big side and we'll look back on this like Alderweireld as the loan that got away or maybe he is a decent player on a decent run of form and will dip back a little bit and become a perfectly serviceable premier league level forward. If he does get 8-12 goals then that is similar to what Che got last year and Ings and I don't think either of them were £40m exceptional, and that was with a worse team than we have this season. I personally think it's the latter but hope it's the former. He seems like a good guy and even if he doesn't stay with us I wish him the best.

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3 minutes ago, TWar said:

I mean we were completely on top for most of the first half, conceded a couple of goals due to individual errors (Bednarek still isn't very good, also the first looked offside to me and would have been if they were still accurately drawing lines) but tactically the way we set up disrupted their flow, meant they couldn't get up ahead of steam, and gave us a good platform to win, which we did. It's not a one off either, we did the same change of tactics in the first game against them and it worked then too.

Also, this lad has said that we are in a worse position than pompey, Ralph is worse than the guy in charge of san marino, slags off every player and the manager whenever we lose and when we get a result goes silent until there is a chance to point out that it wasn't that good. He has already been banned once for being a blatant troll. 

Yawn…. Called out for his utter bullshit again, so tries to deflect with taking snippets of statements out of context and using the skate / troll card 🤡🤡🤡

Was a great 3 points against a team we usually struggle to get anything from. That being said, they weren’t at the races with a few injures, but you can only beat what’s in front of you. 

We didn’t completely nullify a team that managed to score 2 though, that much is clearly very obvious. 
 

On to thread topic, I find it amazing KWP is getting a game ahead of the next coming of Roberto Carlos. You were wetting your pants over the signing of perraud… another error of judgement, just like that when you said Broja had less potential than Armstrong and Adams, it seems… 

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5 minutes ago, Dman said:

Yawn…. Called out for his utter bullshit again, so tries to deflect with taking snippets of statements out of context and using the skate / troll card 🤡🤡🤡

Was a great 3 points against a team we usually struggle to get anything from. That being said, they weren’t at the races with a few injures, but you can only beat what’s in front of you. 

We didn’t completely nullify a team that managed to score 2 though, that much is clearly very obvious. 
 

On to thread topic, I find it amazing KWP is getting a game ahead of the next coming of Roberto Carlos. You were wetting your pants over the signing of perraud… another error of judgement, just like that when you said Broja had less potential than Armstrong and Adams, it seems… 

What bullshit? You objectively did say that we were in a worse position than Pompey and Ralph was worse than the manager of San Marino... And you did come here to slag off the manager after a great win. Now you are doubling down and bringing up injuries, what about our injuries? We didn't have Tella, Lyanco, Stephens, McCarthy and Stu, Arma and Adams all weren't fully match fit.

Also, what? I never said he was the next Roberto Carlos? Have you lost your mind? I said Perraud was a good signing, and he was. He just isn't as good as Tino (who you will remember I was also quite positive about), and KWP, one of our players of the season.

I'm not sure you are in a position to call out "errors of judgement" considering you think Pompey have more potential than Saints and Ralph is worse than the guy in charge of San Marino.

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1 hour ago, TWar said:

Doesn't strike me as particularly 2 footed, he is a good runner, pacy and powerful which I didn't give him credit for before and does finish well. I think he's a good player but he does go missing quite often in games. Decent player, worth starting for now, and probably would be a good deal at £20m which is more than I said for him before but £40m is a special player. Last summer £20m got you a Daka, Eduoard, or Andre Silva, he is not twice the player as them. I mean for £40m you could get a Tammy Abraham. £40m for a player on course for an 8-12 goal prem season would be very steep. If by "he'll be" you mean in the future, maybe, but certainly not this summer coming unless he absolutely explodes in the second half of the season.

Stop digging.

 

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2 minutes ago, TWar said:

What bullshit? You objectively did say that we were in a worse position than Pompey and Ralph was worse than the manager of San Marino... And you did come here to slag off the manager after a great win. Now you are doubling down and bringing up injuries, what about our injuries? We didn't have Tella, Lyanco, Stephens, McCarthy and Stu, Arma and Adams all weren't fully match fit.

Also, what? I never said he was the next Roberto Carlos? Have you lost your mind? I said Perraud was a good signing, and he was. He just isn't as good as Tino (who you will remember I was also quite positive about), and KWP, one of our players of the season.

I'm not sure you are in a position to call out "errors of judgement" considering you think Pompey have more potential than Saints and Ralph is worse than the guy in charge of San Marino.

None of those listed that we have out, other than arguably S Armstrong (who did come on) would get anywhere near the West Ham side, so it’s irrelevant if they we’re out or not. 
 

As previously explained and I can’t be arsed to go In to details around why I think Pompey are arguably more attractive to an investor than us (however, if the figure of £125m is true, I take that back as that’s a bargain) and I was merely pointing out that the San Marino manager, at the time, was able to set a side up to defend better than us highlighting how poor it was to lose 9-0. No one said he was a better manager. 

The last I’ll say on the matter; but keep deflecting your utter nonsense 🤡

As for Perrud, I’d argue he wasn’t a good signing at all if we’re playing a player out of position instead of him. Funds could have been used elsewhere. That being said, I’m reluctant to judge him just yet as I haven’t seen enough of him.  

personally, I’d play KWP over Tino, he’s a more rounded player for my liking.  Tino will get there, KWP just marginally better at the moment. 

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17 minutes ago, Dman said:

None of those listed that we have out, other than arguably S Armstrong (who did come on) would get anywhere near the West Ham side, so it’s irrelevant if they we’re out or not. 
 

As previously explained and I can’t be arsed to go In to details around why I think Pompey are arguably more attractive to an investor than us (however, if the figure of £125m is true, I take that back as that’s a bargain) and I was merely pointing out that the San Marino manager, at the time, was able to set a side up to defend better than us highlighting how poor it was to lose 9-0. No one said he was a better manager. 

The last I’ll say on the matter; but keep deflecting your utter nonsense 🤡

As for Perrud, I’d argue he wasn’t a good signing at all if we’re playing a player out of position instead of him. Funds could have been used elsewhere. That being said, I’m reluctant to judge him just yet as I haven’t seen enough of him.  

personally, I’d play KWP over Tino, he’s a more rounded player for my liking.  Tino will get there, KWP just marginally better at the moment. 

Why does it matter if they'd get near the West Ham side? They have all played a  good role in our team this season (and Stu last season), with McCarthy, Stephens, maybe Stu, and Armstrong or Adams being regular starters going forwards. If we had 80% of our squad out to face City then would that be fine because none of them make the City side? What an absurd and stupid argument. Our team was weakened by losing key players to it and we still won, I know that annoys you but it happened.

The only good reason for you to think Pompey are a more attractive investment is if you suffered a recent head injury. The have no facilities, no academy, a shitty small stadium, and 0 quality in their playing or managerial staff. Your explanation seemed to be "oh they are in a lower league therefore they can go up and we can't", which is true of any lower league club, you think Blackpool are better investment than City were too? No ofcourse you don't. You said it because you knew putting Pompey above saints would rile people up, you didn't care how stupid it made you look. Same with the Ralph/San Marino thing.

KWP plays well there, arguably just as well as at RB as said by others. Without Perraud we would have two fullbacks who can compete at PL level. He is great cover for LB and since KWP can play RB as can Valery we are pretty well covered at FB. An £11m player not starting every week isn't indicative of a bad signing, it's indicative of us finally having premier league quality depth, at least in one position.

Tino is excellent and should start, KWP is excellent and seems not majorly depleted by moving to the left, Perraud is a good player and provides a high level of back up. Nothing to complain about, unless you actively root against the team... Then I imagine it sucks, but don't worry mate, think how much room to grow pompey have. I bet they hope they get relegated, then they'll have even more growth room!

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1 hour ago, TWar said:

I mean we were completely on top for most of the first half, conceded a couple of goals due to individual errors (Bednarek still isn't very good, also the first looked offside to me and would have been if they were still accurately drawing lines) but tactically the way we set up disrupted their flow, meant they couldn't get up ahead of steam, and gave us a good platform to win, which we did. It's not a one off either, we did the same change of tactics in the first game against them and it worked then too.

Also, this lad has said that we are in a worse position than pompey, Ralph is worse than the guy in charge of san marino, slags off every player and the manager whenever we lose and when we get a result goes silent until there is a chance to point out that it wasn't that good. He has already been banned once for being a blatant troll. 

I couldn't believe what Bednarek did for the Antonio goal. He had two options, either a) step away from our goal and hope to leave him in an offside position (replays indicate that'd have worked) or b) step towards our goal where he had no chance of intervening and would only ensure Antonio was onside. For reasons only best known to himself an international defender chose option b). 

Quite staggering really.

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9 minutes ago, Teddeer said:

I couldn't believe what Bednarek did for the Antonio goal. He had two options, either a) step away from our goal and hope to leave him in an offside position (replays indicate that'd have worked) or b) step towards our goal where he had no chance of intervening and would only ensure Antonio was onside. For reasons only best known to himself an international defender chose option b). 

Quite staggering really.

Yeah and the second one, I don't know how he can just let a forward stand unmarked 8 yards out or whatever. He has to get out to him! It's a shame as while Lyanco has pleasantly surprised me my main criticism regarding him remains: Bednarek and Stephens aren't good enough and we needed someone to displace them and Lyanco isn't that.

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1 minute ago, TWar said:

Yeah and the second one, I don't know how he can just let a forward stand unmarked 8 yards out or whatever. He has to get out to him! It's a shame as while Lyanco has pleasantly surprised me my main criticism regarding him remains: Bednarek and Stephens aren't good enough and we needed someone to displace them and Lyanco isn't that.

I mentioned in an earlier post that Bednarek actually had a good glance over his shoulder to check exactly where Benrahma was and then chose not to mark him. These are not minor errors and we have seen Jack Stevens do the same. The coaches should be spotting this and hammering players for it so that they finally learn that is is not acceptable.

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Just now, Teddeer said:

I mentioned in an earlier post that Bednarek actually had a good glance over his shoulder to check exactly where Benrahma was and then chose not to mark him. These are not minor errors and we have seen Jack Stevens do the same. The coaches should be spotting this and hammering players for it so that they finally learn that is is not acceptable.

Sometimes these errors can be coached out of a player but they have been there too consistently for too long with both of them. I just think they are good quality back ups for this level but they shouldn't be starting. Would love to see us sell one of them and bring in a class CB, fingers crossed the new owner has deep pockets!

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1 hour ago, TWar said:

I mean we were completely on top for most of the first half, conceded a couple of goals due to individual errors (Bednarek still isn't very good, also the first looked offside to me and would have been if they were still accurately drawing lines) but tactically the way we set up disrupted their flow, meant they couldn't get up ahead of steam, and gave us a good platform to win, which we did. It's not a one off either, we did the same change of tactics in the first game against them and it worked then too.

Also, this lad has said that we are in a worse position than pompey, Ralph is worse than the guy in charge of san marino, slags off every player and the manager whenever we lose and when we get a result goes silent until there is a chance to point out that it wasn't that good. He has already been banned once for being a blatant troll. 

We were not on top for most of the first half. We had about 15 minutes of being on top and as previously quoted we did not completely nullify them.

You must watch a different game.

 

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13 hours ago, egg said:

Keyboard manager! I've seen him play. Have you? If so, do you really believe he's a better option at LB than KWP? 

Here in the land down under, we get to see every game, home and away, so yes, I have seen him play, and he is far from being crap, KWP seems to get the nod, maybe to keep him happy, but I would personally prefer a left footed defender on the left.

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16 hours ago, TWar said:

Why not both? Unless you are wedded to Theo Walcott...

In a 4141 Broja is the lone striker but in a 4222 I think Broja Armstrong will be first choice.

Also Broja over Armstrong wasn't the key, the change in formation was. I think it's amazing how when individual errors happen you rush to blame the manager but when we completely nullify a team with a new formation then it's definitely one player (a player who also played in the ones we didn't win).

Bless you.  Wedded to the ridiculous 4222 formation

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5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why is it ridiculous? Did you think it was ridiculous throughout 2020? Sure we haven't done great during 2021, but I think that shows it isn't the formation that was the problem. 

it is ridiculous now and has been for around 12 months. 

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Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Can't be arsed to get into a 'spat' with you.  

I understand that you don't want to get into a "spat", but it would be really interesting to understand why you think it is ridiculous. I am always trying to improve my football knowledge, so happy to listen. 

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16 hours ago, TWar said:

Yeah and the second one, I don't know how he can just let a forward stand unmarked 8 yards out or whatever. He has to get out to him! It's a shame as while Lyanco has pleasantly surprised me my main criticism regarding him remains: Bednarek and Stephens aren't good enough and we needed someone to displace them and Lyanco isn't that.

I thought that KWP played well on Sunday, but I do think that he contributed to West Ham's two goals. Just after half time, every Saints fan knew what was going to happen; Saints defending a single goal lead and would be under significant pressure particularly for the first 15 minutes. Under those circumstances try and keep the ball in the opponents half or alternatively don't make any unforced errors. Straight away KWP under minimal pressure from Bowen puts the ball out for a corner rather than a throw-in. West Ham are renowned for their set-pieces, and we have started to concede from corners lately (Norwich, Leicester, Arsenal etc). Antonio scores. 

Worse was KWP's defending for the 2nd goal where everyone in our household was screaming at him to make Bowen play on his right, instead he allowed Bowen to pass across the area using his (very) favoured left foot with virtually no pressure. 

No problem with Bednarek getting stick for his marking, but I felt KWP was just as culpable. 

Players make mistakes, and I like KWP and have very little issue him playing on his wrong side, I just think that we are sometimes too quick to pick on the obvious players when goals go in, so trying to balance the criticism. 

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Incredible. We take all 3 points off of West Ham after a battling performance and still some people feel the need to come on her and pick a fight. We won FFS! At least give the bickering a break until we lose again.

SOG, it's a forum mate, we discuss stuff and unsurprisingly we don't all agree with each other. You should know how it works by now. 

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4 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why is it ridiculous? Did you think it was ridiculous throughout 2020? Sure we haven't done great during 2021, but I think that shows it isn't the formation that was the problem. 

Think you’ve answered your own question.

Used to work but doesn’t now, why do you think that is ?

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48 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Mr dependable, was excellent again today. He really needs a song though.

He plays on the left

He plays on the right

Kyle Walker-Peters  

Makes Cafu look shite

Did Cafu play left back much?

How about this:

Kyle Walker Peters, makes wingers look shite, he plays on the left, he plays on the right.

Count me out of the side to side arm waving people used to do when we sang that for Lallana though.

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A question for the knowledgeable on this forum. KWP would be suspended for the Brentford game, but can't play anyway as he has Covid. Does that still count as serving his suspension or is it held over until he is available again? Obviously it would be good for Saints if the former is true, but it seems a bit pointless to me if a suspension could effectively be nullified through injury or illness.

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2 minutes ago, CamSaint said:

A question for the knowledgeable on this forum. KWP would be suspended for the Brentford game, but can't play anyway as he has Covid. Does that still count as serving his suspension or is it held over until he is available again? Obviously it would be good for Saints if the former is true, but it seems a bit pointless to me if a suspension could effectively be nullified through injury or illness.

Pretty sure it counts. 

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14 minutes ago, CamSaint said:

A question for the knowledgeable on this forum. KWP would be suspended for the Brentford game, but can't play anyway as he has Covid. Does that still count as serving his suspension or is it held over until he is available again? Obviously it would be good for Saints if the former is true, but it seems a bit pointless to me if a suspension could effectively be nullified through injury or illness.

Injury and illness are irrelevant to suspensions.

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