Jonnyboy Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Just now, beatlesaint said: Not much good when your 9 point cushion to 7th is cut to 6 points Don't be Debbie Downer (I know we're are a bit shit but this season is still better than the last four in the Prem). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 13 games unbeaten shouldn’t complain, although we have been all game and I will again now it’s finished. I just cannot warm to our football under this manager, feels like we are playing with the handbrake constantly on until the oppo scores. Then if we equalise it goes back on again. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 I would give up 20% of our posession passing bacwards and sideways if we got more attacking commitment in return. There is no point in having three quarters of the posession if you only create the same number of chances as the opposition. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Just now, LGTL said: Really not good enough. We’re quickly becoming a solid Championship team, and that’s not a compliment. With the players we have we are a solid Championship team what is wrong with that? We just do not have enough consistent top class players to be an outstanding team and as yet I have not seen any evidence that SR are building one 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Point away from home not the worst result. On to the next game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 If only we took risks with passes up front like we do when playing out from the back. It makes no sense that you'll risk it to keep the ball at the back but you won't risk it to create space and chances going forward. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 3 minutes ago, BotleySaint said: It doesn't matter under Martin. You could have Haaland up there and we'd never pass to him. This point would have a bit more merit if we didn't just watch Arma miss 2/3 great chances Disappointing performance/result, cutting edge still isn't there... better after the changes but some really poor displays tonight. Hopefully Downes back on the weekend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block41 Saint Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 13 games unbeaten looks good but 2 wins in 5 doesn't. That's quite poor considering our budget vs the rest of the league. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: I can't for the life of me work out why Bree was dropped for Manning, who is a very poor footballer. Fixed it for you 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 5 minutes ago, bpsaint said: This “unbeaten” run is complete propaganda and makes it seem like we’ve been something special. Papering over the cracks, which are massive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 2 minutes ago, LGTL said: 11 wins from 21 Yeah, that's not going to look as good on the commemorative t-shirt as "13 game unbeaten run", is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Just now, stknowle said: 13 games unbeaten shouldn’t complain, although we have been all game and I will again now it’s finished. I just cannot warm to our football under this manager, feels like we are playing with the handbrake constantly on until the oppo scores. Then if we equalise it goes back on again. That’s because we do exactly that. We play to not lose. It’s why we only have 11 wins and a goal difference of 4. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Think that was the most frustrsting game this season because so much of it was good but we just don't make enough of our general domination and everything in the final third looks like it has to be so precise. IMO Edozie has to start because with Sulemana injured he is the only player who takes risks in the final third and actually tries to take someone on and create space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Draw away to Coventry isn't the worst result. It only sucks because we didn't beat Watford. Did you watch it? You sound satisfied? If you are you need to have a long hard look at yourself because it was awful fayre. Boring, unexciting pedestrian predictable and full of errors. There was not a decent Saints player on the pitch tonight. They were all shit and you pronounce yourself satisfied. Sums us up I guess. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 🎵Martin baby, play Edozie, Fraser and Bree for me, I've been an awfully good boy, Martin baby, and go and sign a striker tonight. 🎵 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 We'll I'm saving money on sleeping tablets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Just now, LGTL said: That’s because we do exactly that. We play to not lose. It’s why we only have 11 wins and a goal difference of 4. Think thats a load of rubbish to be fair. We don't play to be defensive or take up defensive positions. We just don't create enough for all the possession we have. But most games, including today, we are the team who is looking to be on top and the opposition mostly sits back and waits to break on us - exactly as Cov did. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 75 % possession though🥳🥱 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Another horrible bland performance. Other than possession, no positives at all, we are simply the most pedestrian team of all time. We carry no threat of being serious away, never mind scoring. If we don't make it this season we are going to be in this league for a long time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Watson Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Utter garbage,we made a very average side look good in the second half and would have lost had it not been for a brilliant Bazanu save. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 1 minute ago, Dusic said: Think thats a load of rubbish to be fair. We don't play to be defensive or take up defensive positions. We just don't create enough for all the possession we have. But most games, including today, we are the team who is looking to be on top and the opposition mostly sits back and waits to break on us - exactly as Cov did. On top, you mean, dominate the ball..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madge Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Coventry were pretty poor but our style of play just made it very easy for a very average side. Plodding donkey football just allows virtually every team we play to comfortably get into a bank of 5 and 4. How many runs did our forwards make, stuart Armstrong make and we ignore, and play the safe sideways pass. This all stems from our management. Martin waffles on about being brave, we ain’t brave in the final third. That was a hard watch, boring. My son even asked what which direction we were playing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 3 minutes ago, LGTL said: That’s because we do exactly that. We play to not lose. It’s why we only have 11 wins and a goal difference of 4. That was kind of the point, and exactly what I was complaining about mate 👍😀 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Yet again just one opposition goal is enough to drop more points. We are now a solid, difficult to beat team but are absolutely nothing more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorba Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Boring 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 (edited) Another game unbeaten is a positive I guess, but last 13 games we haven’t lost we still haven’t gained on Ipswich (32pts) Leicester (31pts) or Leeds (28pts). Too many draws is what’s costing us closing the gap. We need to work on the attacking side of the game, all well and good having high possession but we aren’t creating anything with it. Would rather lose 5% in possession and take a few more chances in the final third. The lack of a striker is really costing us. Edited 13 December, 2023 by EBS1980 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 5 minutes ago, Saint Billy said: We'll I'm saving money on sleeping tablets. Not if you’re still awake after that you’re not. 👌 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 One big positive - Is this the same Joe Aribo we were watching play in wellington boots last year? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Fraser can’t get a start because he doesn’t fit “the style” but he’s set up two of our last three goals with early crosses. And Edozie scored the third one from wide by not fart-arsing around and going backwards. Against Cardiff our possession number was down 12% but we created far more chances. But we’ll doubtless be back in our soporific, no end product possession vortex again on Saturday. Sincere questions for Martin. 1) How can you NOT see that we are much better when we’re more direct in the final third? 2) How many times must Manning give the ball away in terrible places before you leave him out? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Convict Colony said: Have to say am surprised by the negativity on here ce soir. The bits I paid attention too as I was scrolling through aesthetically pleasing ladies on Instagram just showed us rolling forward chance after chance. Of course our conversion rate means we'd fall in a bucketful of tits and come out sucking our thumbs. Apologies ladies but this idiom and my Instagram viewing played a part. Ok ignore me I am genuinely angry about this game. That is 11 games in the league now (out of 21) where we have scored 1 goal or less which for a bloke who bigs up possession style but says about the goalscoring " we will get it right etc etc" is fucking shocking if you want to consistently win games. Someone ask him how Leicester score for fun, how Ipswich do it or how does Daniel "I dont give a" Farke gets his teams scoring a few goals more. Also why is Che Adams shit in a league he scored loads in, why is the Scottish Mr Glass always broken and why did Adam Armstrong think tonight kicking over the bar counted as points (apologies Arma but your friendly fire). Why does Manning think its fine to do a Stu Armstrong impression and lose the ball just outside the box game after game leading to conceding a goal. Who put Joe Aribo on the left wing to start ? Are midfielders allowed to shoot ? When will someone ask Martin why his teams cant score a lot and every fuck up cost up a win or a draw. Also goalscorers list is a joke, check how much more balanced Leicester's is. Ok for the rest of the season i will predict 1-0 cos we are shit goalscorers. Edited 13 December, 2023 by Convict Colony 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dusic said: Think thats a load of rubbish to be fair. We don't play to be defensive or take up defensive positions. We just don't create enough for all the possession we have. But most games, including today, we are the team who is looking to be on top and the opposition mostly sits back and waits to break on us - exactly as Cov did. Automatic promotion still possible yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 8 minutes ago, Long Shot said: Did you watch it? You sound satisfied? If you are you need to have a long hard look at yourself because it was awful fayre. Boring, unexciting pedestrian predictable and full of errors. There was not a decent Saints player on the pitch tonight. They were all shit and you pronounce yourself satisfied. Sums us up I guess. Calm down son, it's just a fucking game. We played alright, so did Coventry. Suck it the fuck up and move on. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Let's all give ourselves a huge pat on the back because we can make a lot of simple sideways and backward passes that push up our possession stats. Unfortunately points aren't awarded for possession stats. This side is so boring to watch. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 I think I’ve found an amazing correlation. The average possession rate is equal to the chances of us remaining in the Championship next season! 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 (edited) How many more bookings does Martin need before he gets suspended again? Is he suspended after todays yellow or one or two more? Edited 13 December, 2023 by Master Bates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 1 minute ago, Challenger said: Yet again just one opposition goal is enough to drop more points. We are now a solid, difficult to beat team but are absolutely nothing more than that. Hardly surprising I would have thought as all of the attacking players are solid but not outstanding where as our previous promotion winning teams had some top class players Paine Sydenham and Chivers in 1966 Ball Boyer McDougal and Williams in 1978 Lambert and Lallana more recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Anyone who enjoys watching us is a fucking masochist. Boring, frustrating & hard fucking work. Far far more boring than watching us under previous managers, where at least we were watching elite football. Fucking hell the only thing worth putting up with this shite is promotion. My fucking blood pressure is off the scale since Lego arrived spouting his David Brent like pony, and then having to watch it. Fucking shite. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Thoughts: Manning and Aribo shite Bree and Edozie should start. Our play at times is just cautious sidewards nonsense... We need to be more direct with cutting edge. Positives... Edozie came on and was direct and it payed off... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 7 minutes ago, LGTL said: Automatic promotion still possible yeah? Yes if we get in in a few consistent attacking players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 4 minutes ago, saintant said: Let's all give ourselves a huge pat on the back because we can make a lot of simple sideways and backward passes that push up our possession stats. Unfortunately points aren't awarded for possession stats. This side is so boring to watch. Yep, but I'll say what I said before the season started - this is what Martin is about. Slow tedious possession, with limited movement, no real incisiveness, and a lack of goals. He's doing exactly what he does, and it ain't enough to get the best out of our players, or get us promoted. We shouldn't be 12 points behind Ipswich. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 1 minute ago, ally_uk said: Thoughts: Manning and Aribo shite Bree and Edozie should start. Our play at times is just cautious sidewards nonsense... We need to be more direct with cutting edge. Positives... Edozie came on and was direct and it payed off... Add Che Adams to that. Absolute waste of a shirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNewForest Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 13 games unbeaten, but we just don't look convincing at all. No attacking threat and no urgency. Feel like we've stumbled to that, more than deserving it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block41 Saint Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 1 minute ago, John B said: Yes if we get in in a few consistent attacking players The owners have a great track record at signing attacking players. Looking forward to seeing what other shite they've got up their sleeve in Jan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Anyone who enjoys watching us is a fucking masochist. Boring, frustrating & hard fucking work. Far far more boring than watching us under previous managers, where at least we were watching elite football. Fucking hell the only thing worth putting up with this shite is promotion. My fucking blood pressure is off the scale since Lego arrived spouting his David Brent like pony, and then having to watch it. Fucking shite. This did bring a smile to my face after that utter bore fest….. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 10 minutes ago, LGTL said: Automatic promotion still possible yeah? For maximum effect, you need a comma between 'possible' and 'yeah'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 After the last game, I put up the number of points per game the teams above us would have to drop to get down to the level of the average second place finish. It shows just what a good start they've had. Leicester and Ipswich would both have to have major slumps, and Leeds would have to tail off too. It does offer up some questions on why we've not been able to reach that level. We're on an really long unbeaten run ourselves. Are the clubs above us just that bit better than we could have hoped to be? Or is the system we've built preventing us getting those wins? We have lots of possession. We're very composed at the back and comfortable with short passing moves. We are very patient. We do look to have control and look to move teams around for marginal passing advantages, each building up to creating a chance. However, when teams don't get moved around and our team can't get that extra space, we're a bit stuck. We do create the odd chance, but we're looking at slender leads, with good finishing from few opportunities. The teams around us don't have a lot of the positives listed above that we have. In varying amounts, they give up some of that control for attacking. It does make them more vulnerable, but creates pressure, momentum and pins opponents back. We launched one out wide, like we did when Sule was fit. Like then, when it didn't work, we went back into our passing shell. Second half, they had been told to speed things up. But they simply couldn't do it, within the system and personnel we had out there. Martin trying that is exactly what led to us giving away sloppy passes, a lack of control and conceding the goal. Only when Fraser came on, did we have that direct player needed to offer an alternative. We were very one dimensional up until then. Then the game became more open. Why we had to wait until we were a goal down to our comfortable opponents is something that has to get sorted. Martin can look to the chances we did create, and AA will be disappointed. But a team looking to carve up their opponents and control the game would have had a lot more before our second half efforts. That's what the teams above us do, rather than look to eek out a winning goal and get good possession stats. Were it not for the hypnotic quality of 45 minutes of sideways passing, it would be frustrating to watch a side repeat the same trained routines, knowing they were having no impact on the game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 More than enough chances to win this game, our finishing was piss poor. Caused ourselves more trouble than Coventry did. Not a great night but not the worst. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Just downright dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 2 minutes ago, notnowcato said: Not a great night but not the worst. With some of the shite I’ve watched the past 50 years, “not the worst” isn’t very fucking encouraging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 13 December, 2023 Share Posted 13 December, 2023 Boring. It’s hard to watch us at the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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