Ryan Manning

[Patrick Bateman]

  On 18/01/2024 at 13:15, davefizzy14 said:

To be fair I think Manning has been excellent defensively recently. 

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Agreed. I think the competition with Bree has helped. Bree WAS the better option defensively, but now it's a tighter unit as a whole and that includes an improved Manning. Fair play to him. 

[egg]

  On 18/01/2024 at 13:55, Patrick Bateman said:

Agreed. I think the competition with Bree has helped. Bree WAS the better option defensively, but now it's a tighter unit as a whole and that includes an improved Manning. Fair play to him. 

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I think Manning is looking better because he's getting much more cover. The lad was hung out to dry a bit earlier in the season. 

[Turkish]

  On 18/01/2024 at 18:51, egg said:

I think Manning is looking better because he's getting much more cover. The lad was hung out to dry a bit earlier in the season. 

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I heard it was because he went to a plant based diet so Russell gave him more cover as a reward. It’ll come home to roost as he’ll be fucked by the end of the season and be on a drip of green tea  with blended lentils 

[HKsaint]

Does RM really insist on playing Manning at the expense of our promotion hope. You can play Stephen as LB as in the match vs WBA where we did not concede any goal. But why insist on Manning? Playing Manning and Edozie on left is suicidal. 

Edited 21 February, 2024 by HKsaint

[niceandfriendly]

Hate watching him play. 

[Convict Colony]

  On 21/02/2024 at 01:33, HKsaint said:

Does RM really insist on playing Manning at the expense of our promotion hope. You can play Stephen as LB as in the match vs WBA where we did not concede any goal. But why insist on Manning? Playing Manning and Edozie on left is suicidal. 

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Bree hopefully back soon, the perennially injured Juan Larios has been sighted, Manning is on borrowed time unless he improves.

[stknowle]

Usually out of position and when he is in position may as well not be as just stands off and doesn't tackle. Also gives the ball away a lot. 1 star.

[austsaint]

  On 21/02/2024 at 07:51, Convict Colony said:

Bree hopefully back soon, the perennially injured Juan Larios has been sighted, Manning is on borrowed time unless he improves.

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Don't forget Meghoma - he'll likely go past all three you mention inside 12 months.

[niceandfriendly]

  On 21/02/2024 at 07:51, Convict Colony said:

Bree hopefully back soon, the perennially injured Juan Larios has been sighted, Manning is on borrowed time unless he improves.

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Hope you're right. But it seems Martin loves him.

[Give it to Ron]

Meghoma showed in 2 Watford games he is ready so why he isn’t picked baffles me.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

  On 21/02/2024 at 01:33, HKsaint said:

Does RM really insist on playing Manning at the expense of our promotion hope. You can play Stephen as LB as in the match vs WBA where we did not concede any goal. But why insist on Manning? Playing Manning and Edozie on left is suicidal. 

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There was absolutely no need to bring Manning back last night. Am not a huge fan of Stephens, but after WBA he earned another start. 

[S-Clarke]

He's honestly so bad, not seen as bad a LB as him for us for many, many years. I'd prefer Rudi Skacel back there.

Nice lad, seems to put in a shift, but so out of his depth at the top level of this league it's frightening. No idea how he ever won POS in previous years, absolutely no idea. He's not good.

[Wade Garrett]

He’s so shite we’re better off with a centre-back who can fill in as a right-back playing in his position.

He can’t defend and his distribution is even worse.  

[S-Clarke]

To sum him up, there was a moment in the second half where Manning was struggling to defend on the left. He got some help and we got a throw in from it.

Who helped him? KWP, the RB, who'd run across the field to bail out his left back. You can't be any more inept than that, KWP could have played both positions last night and still been better.

[Harry_SFC]

  On 21/02/2024 at 08:27, Give it to Ron said:

Meghoma showed in 2 Watford games he is ready so why he isn’t picked baffles me.

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Under any other manager Meghoma would've been given a chance in the league but Manning is Russell's best mate.

Meghoma has put in 3 very good performances this season, that's 3 more than Manning has..

Edited 21 February, 2024 by Harry_SFC

[Dark Munster]

Ok, his defending is utter crap. But don’t forget he makes up for that with his attacking prowess. I’ve lost count of how many goals and assists he’s had this season. Can someone remind me?

[Chez]

  On 21/02/2024 at 18:56, Dark Munster said:

Ok, his defending is utter crap. But don’t forget he makes up for that with his attacking prowess. I’ve lost count of how many goals and assists he’s had this season. Can someone remind me?

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sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but still the funniest.

[sfc4prem]

I'm pretty positive, but yeah, I don't rate this guy. He plays like he's a fucking WW1 veteran and amputee. 

[Yorkshire Saint]

A skint man's Danny Fox is the best I can give him politely 

[Fabrice29]

  On 21/02/2024 at 18:56, Dark Munster said:

Ok, his defending is utter crap. But don’t forget he makes up for that with his attacking prowess. I’ve lost count of how many goals and assists he’s had this season. Can someone remind me?

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Same amount of assists as KWP with considerably less minutes fwiw. 2 fewer goals. His defending isn't much different if you're wondering about those stats as well.

Edited 21 February, 2024 by Fabrice29

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 21/02/2024 at 21:16, Fabrice29 said:

Same amount of assists as KWP with considerably less minutes fwiw. 2 fewer goals. His defending isn't much different if you're wondering about those stats as well.

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You know what I think about stats. This proves it.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I would have more faith in Djenepo putting in a defensive shift than this poor excuse of a defender. Both Bree and Meghoma have been streets ahead of Manning and yet if you’re best mates with the gaffer you get the nod it seems. I’m just surprised it’s not caused squad unrest.

[beatlesaint]

Guy who sits behind me sussed him out after a couple of games, absolutely hates him. I came around to his way of thinking Tuesday night, he was worse than bloody awful.

[Whitey Grandad]

He’s like the guest amateur player at a professional’s testimonial.

[Miltonaggro]

It might have been that manning was a star in that Swansea side but he’s very much the weak link here. From where I am at St Mary’s I get to see him closely (no refund) and two things that really stand out are consistently poor positioning and a lack of decisiveness in terms of interceptions. Both mean he is constantly trying to recover during games - frenetic firefighting which unbalanced the team. It’s a lack of footballing intelligence seemingly tolerated by RM. Bree seems a solid old school up and down full back, streets ahead defensively, and for me a much better first choice option when fit. 

[Doctoroncall]

  On 21/02/2024 at 21:27, Whitey Grandad said:

You know what I think about stats. This proves it.

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I think you expect too much from statistics, they don’t make a decision for you. Besides it depends on what the statistics measure and how that is interpreted.  
 

PS. Regardless of any stats, Manning is not a very good defender. 

[Jack]

I really thought Russ had sussed it with dropping him for WBA, but no, he chucked him back in for a game where we’re going to need to be solid at the back. Time to give Meghoma a chance, if Bree still isn’t fully fit 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 22/02/2024 at 10:57, Doctoroncall said:

I think you expect too much from statistics, they don’t make a decision for you. Besides it depends on what the statistics measure and how that is interpreted.  
 

PS. Regardless of any stats, Manning is not a very good defender. 

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I don’t expect anything from statistics. And I get what I expected.

So why does anybody publish them?

And yes, Manning is not very good at defending. Or anything else for that matter.

[Harry_SFC]

  On 22/02/2024 at 11:38, Jack said:

I really thought Russ had sussed it with dropping him for WBA, but no, he chucked him back in for a game where we’re going to need to be solid at the back. Time to give Meghoma a chance, if Bree still isn’t fully fit 

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It really was a ludicrous decision on the face of it. Surely you play him in the Millwall game when we won't be doing much defending? And a few of the other players for that matter. 

[East Kent Saint]

RM probably thought Manning going forward at home was the way forward.  Unfortunately Saints were on the back foot so live and (maybe) learn !

[Badger]

Was it last season he was the LB in the Championship team of the season ?

How ? 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 22/02/2024 at 12:53, Badger said:

Was it last season he was the LB in the Championship team of the season ?

How ? 

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How bad were the others?

[Badger]

  On 22/02/2024 at 12:58, Whitey Grandad said:

How bad were the others?

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Several clubs finished above Swansea so you’d have thought one of them at least 

[S-Clarke]

  On 22/02/2024 at 12:53, Badger said:

Was it last season he was the LB in the Championship team of the season ?

How ? 

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I don't think it was recognised as the official one, I've just had a look through and all the official ones have Maatsen at Burnley as the best LB.

He certainly did get plaudits last season though, up there in the top 2 or 3. Again, absolutely no idea how. I guess the standard of the league has risen massively this year, but still.

Edit: - it was Sky who had him in their team of the season. Think we can discount that then.

Left-back: Ryan Manning (Swansea) - 7.26

Rounding off the backline is Swansea star Manning. The 26-year-old returned the joint-third most assists (10) in England's second tier, while no player made more key passes than the Swans full-back (108) in the Championship. As such, Manning deserves his inclusion in the side.

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[Charlie Wayman]

  On 22/02/2024 at 11:55, East Kent Saint said:

RM probably thought Manning going forward at home was the way forward.  Unfortunately Saints were on the back foot so live and (maybe) learn !

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Manning is getting a lot of stick for his performance on Tuesday but the first goal was down to KWP. Off the ball their left winger ran inside and Kyle went with him leaving a huge hole behind him for their left back to exploit - and he did - received the ball in acres of space and then passed it inside for the goal scoring opportunity.

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 21/02/2024 at 18:56, Dark Munster said:

I’ve lost count of how many goals and assists he’s had this season. Can someone remind me?

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To be fair to the guy he is involved in a lot of goals this season, and he’s right at the top of the assist table.  
 

Although his stats don’t look quite so good when you only count ones scored by the  team he’s fucking playing for. 

[ally_uk]

Think he is utter shite I'd recall Perraud.... 

[Harry_SFC]

  On 22/02/2024 at 13:13, Charlie Wayman said:

Manning is getting a lot of stick for his performance on Tuesday but the first goal was down to KWP. Off the ball their left winger ran inside and Kyle went with him leaving a huge hole behind him for their left back to exploit - and he did - received the ball in acres of space and then passed it inside for the goal scoring opportunity.

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It wasn't just KWP. It was a total shit show of a goal.

Adam Armstrong totally switches off and loses his runner. KWP then misses a tackle and proceeds to ball watch. Manning should close down the initial shot faster and Bazunu should've done a bit better and tried to parry it a slightly wider.

Really poor one to concede.

[S-Clarke]

 

  On 22/02/2024 at 13:56, Harry_SFC said:

It wasn't just KWP. It was a total shit show of a goal.

Adam Armstrong totally switches off and loses his runner. KWP then misses a tackle and proceeds to ball watch. Manning should close down the initial shot faster and Bazunu should've done a bit better and tried to parry it a slightly wider.

Really poor one to concede.

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Agree with that, KWP was exposed so badly on that goal - where was Armstrong? I remember pointing at that space before they scored and thinking wtf? That should never have been allowed to happen.

Armstrong had an absolute disasterclass that night, he's been utter shit for weeks tbf. But when he stops running and covering for the team like he did for that first goal, then his position comes into question for me. 16 goals or not.

[Turkish]

  On 22/02/2024 at 13:03, S-Clarke said:

I don't think it was recognised as the official one, I've just had a look through and all the official ones have Maatsen at Burnley as the best LB.

He certainly did get plaudits last season though, up there in the top 2 or 3. Again, absolutely no idea how. I guess the standard of the league has risen massively this year, but still.

Edit: - it was Sky who had him in their team of the season. Think we can discount that then.

Left-back: Ryan Manning (Swansea) - 7.26

Rounding off the backline is Swansea star Manning. The 26-year-old returned the joint-third most assists (10) in England's second tier, while no player made more key passes than the Swans full-back (108) in the Championship. As such, Manning deserves his inclusion in the side.

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what's happened here? He was a star man last season in the championship, he was apparently considered a bit of a coup when we go him with premier league clubs interested. He knows the manager knows the system, so why has ben gone from being one of the best left backs in the division to looking like one of the TV guest players in a Soccer Aid match?

[S-Clarke]

  On 22/02/2024 at 14:03, Turkish said:

what's happened here? He was a star man last season in the championship, he was apparently considered a bit of a coup when we go him with premier league clubs interested. He knows the manager knows the system, so why has ben gone from being one of the best left backs in the division to looking like one of the TV guest players in a Soccer Aid match?

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It is a strange one, can't say I watched any of Swansea last season - so you wonder if he just had a shit hot understanding with whoever was left wing for them? I think against the usual Championship fodder he passes as a decent enough player in a defensive sense, but stick him up against players like Carvalho, Philogene, Mvavidi, James, Summerville etc and you just need to accept defeat.

The biggest surprise for me though is his lack of impact in the attacking third - he doesn't do anything, even against the lesser teams. Lots of turning back and passing backwards, crossing is poor. So as an attacking outlet against everyone he is shit, and as a defensive option against the best he is shit.

Squad cover at best, but then we don't have anyone else who can paly LB. (Bree I guess). Two positions which are less than ideal this year and will probably cost us at the end - proper number 6 cover for Downes, and a capable LB.

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[Harry_SFC]

  On 22/02/2024 at 14:12, S-Clarke said:

It is a strange one, can't say I watched any of Swansea last season - so you wonder if he just had a shit hot understanding with whoever was left wing for them? I think against the usual Championship fodder he passes as a decent enough player in a defensive sense, but stick him up against players like Carvalho, Philogene, Mvavidi, James, Summerville etc and you just need to accept defeat.

The biggest surprise for me though is his lack of impact in the attacking third - he doesn't do anything, even against the lesser teams. Lots of turning back and passing backwards, crossing is poor. So as an attacking outlet against everyone he is shit, and as a defensive option against the best he is shit.

Squad cover at best, but then we don't have anyone else who can paly LB. (Bree I guess). Two positions which are less than ideal this year and will probably cost us at the end - proper number 6 cover for Downes, and a capable LB.

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Yeah, if he was providing assists/scoring the odd goal here and there then it'd be easier to look past his poor defensive abilities but he's struggling at both ends of the pitch. 

[VectisSaint]

  On 22/02/2024 at 13:03, S-Clarke said:

Left-back: Ryan Manning (Swansea) - 7.26

Rounding off the backline is Swansea star Manning. The 26-year-old returned the joint-third most assists (10) in England's second tier, while no player made more key passes than the Swans full-back (108) in the Championship. As such, Manning deserves his inclusion in the side.

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Note that they said nothing about his defending. 

[Dark Munster]

  On 22/02/2024 at 13:33, Lord Duckhunter said:

To be fair to the guy he is involved in a lot of goals this season, and he’s right at the top of the assist table.  
 

Although his stats don’t look quite so good when you only count ones scored by the  team he’s fucking playing for. 

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Maybe those were also the stats that Sky were using last season for him to make their team of the year. 

[VectisSaint]

  On 22/02/2024 at 14:12, S-Clarke said:

It is a strange one, can't say I watched any of Swansea last season - so you wonder if he just had a shit hot understanding with whoever was left wing for them? I think against the usual Championship fodder he passes as a decent enough player in a defensive sense, but stick him up against players like Carvalho, Philogene, Mvavidi, James, Summerville etc and you just need to accept defeat.

The biggest surprise for me though is his lack of impact in the attacking third - he doesn't do anything, even against the lesser teams. Lots of turning back and passing backwards, crossing is poor. So as an attacking outlet against everyone he is shit, and as a defensive option against the best he is shit.

Squad cover at best, but then we don't have anyone else who can paly LB. (Bree I guess). Two positions which are less than ideal this year and will probably cost us at the end - proper number 6 cover for Downes, and a capable LB.

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On top of this he takes the corners on the right and is therefore always nowhere to be seen when the opposition inevitably break away on their right (due to overhit cross).

We do have cover, Meghoma has shown on 3 occasions that he is perfectly capable, and also that he is a better defender. Bree and Stephens have also shown that they can more than cover for his absence. We also have Perraud on loan who was perfectly fine in the PL last season, you could even argue (at a push) that we have Vokins who seems to be doing an "adequate" job in the u21s but has shown nothing else for a few seasons but who does have experience on his side (i.e. he is not a kid). None of which is very inspiring, granted, but we do have options. Considering our history in this position, it is shameful that we are lacking in this area nowadays (Bridge, Shaw, Bale, Peach, Kenna, Bertrand, Benali, McQueen (not Danny Fox)).

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[Wade Garrett]

I have to disagree about Meghoma being ready.  His wingers have got the better of him too often for my liking.

That said, he is going to be some player.  I don’t think throwing him in now is the right thing to do though.

[Fabrice29]

  On 22/02/2024 at 15:20, Dark Munster said:

Maybe those were also the stats that Sky were using last season for him to make their team of the year. 

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Or maybe he’s a decent Championship full back and the expectation on here is a little bit OTT but is standard for a message board that loves to find and hone in on its scapegoat. 

[Fabrice29]

  On 22/02/2024 at 15:22, VectisSaint said:

On top of this he takes the corners on the right and is therefore always nowhere to be seen when the opposition inevitably break away on their right (due to overhit cross).

We do have cover, Meghoma has shown on 3 occasions that he is perfectly capable, and also that he is a better defender. Bree and Stephens have also shown that they can more than cover for his absence. We also have Perraud on loan who was perfectly fine in the PL last season, you could even argue (at a push) that we have Vokins who seems to be doing an "adequate" job in the u21s but has shown nothing else for a few seasons but who does have experience on his side (i.e. he is not a kid). None of which is very inspiring, granted, but we do have options. Considering our history in this position, it is shameful that we are lacking in this area nowadays (Bridge, Shaw, Bale, Peach, Kenna, Bertrand, Benali, McQueen (not Danny Fox)).

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Bale aside they all played for us in the PL. Comparing him to PL standard players feels a bit harsh, especially when we’ve yet to play him at that level. The idea that he should be compared to and judge to the standard of some of our best ever full backs and some world class ones at that is genuinely mad, no wonder the lad is criticised every week if that’s the level people want. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

  On 22/02/2024 at 16:09, Fabrice29 said:

Or maybe he’s a decent Championship full back and the expectation on here is a little bit OTT but is standard for a message board that loves to find and hone in on its scapegoat. 

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I agree that the board loves someome to blame, but when you've got the more rational posters saying he is shit, normally that should tell you something.

[Turkish]

  On 22/02/2024 at 15:37, Wade Garrett said:

I have to disagree about Meghoma being ready.  His wingers have got the better of him too often for my liking.

That said, he is going to be some player.  I don’t think throwing him in now is the right thing to do though.

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Indeed, there is a reason why not many players break into full first team football until their early 20s. Chucking teenagers in at the deep end often does more harm than good.