Saints 3-1 Birmingham - Match Thread

[saintant]

19 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Thank you for kind words. 
On one level I agree with your assessment on Will - Flynn is certainly the more obviously accomplished player. 
However? I think , and this is despite agreeing  somewhat that I’d like to see more obvious attacking kind of play in that mf role, but Will actually plays a VERY important role in the team. 
I think we agree Will mainly recycles ball  ( apart from popping g up late to score from cutbacks of course ) but in that respect he may be regarded as our @ water carrier@, every team needs a selfless player. Willing to be patient do the yards make themselves available for the pas that may not come. Stick their foot in to make afoul if necessary etc. It was Oriels job description basically- but there have been many more lauded ( though oriel does that for Barca now) . One the springs to mind is Deschamps. 
 

 

Most teams have one or two guys that act as metronomes for the tempo. Saints have got two, Flynn and Will and they are practically both have the same job  except Flyn. Seems a better overall player even if Will currently out scoring him. 
In short: Having Will AND Flynn in the team means KS or Sam or Charlie or Stu or KWP even AA and manning/ Bree have  much more latitude to show their flair than otherwise. 😇

Smallbone will never be a top quality player but I think a lot of his good work gets missed. I'd say his movement off the ball and ability to find pockets of space is better than anyone else in the team. He is also developing a very good understanding with KWP making an excellent partnership there plus he's popped up with a few goals. What he possibly  lacks is a little bit of pace and physicality but most games I think he plays an important role for the team.

[derry]

28 minutes ago, saintant said:

The penalty is a strange one because there was a very similar incident when Wolves played Man Utd. The Utd keeper cleaned out a Wolves striker just like yesterday and VAR looked at it but decided no penalty. I'm baffled because I thought both were blatant penalties but perhaps we are misinterpreting the rules. I did notice that Sky asked our old mate Mike Dean and he said it was a blatant penalty. 

Course he did, if it had been at the other end he wouldn't have given it to us.  I always felt that he was one of the most biased referees around and favoured the celebrity teams. Great on VAR too

[Chewy]

41 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Look at it again, like I just have. Their player was running backwards.

Whitey, you do talk some utter sh1t. 

[saintant]

1 minute ago, derry said:

Course he did, if it had been at the other end he wouldn't have given it to us.  I always felt that he was one of the most biased referees around and favoured the celebrity teams. Great on VAR too

Agree with your views on him. Hated it when he officiated our matches. 

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, Chewy said:

Whitey, you do talk some utter sh1t. 

Whitey is not trying to suggest the challenge from Baz was not a penalty?

[austsaint]

7 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Thank you for kind words. 
On one level I agree with your assessment on Will - Flynn is certainly the more obviously accomplished player. 
However? I think , and this is despite agreeing  somewhat that I’d like to see more obvious attacking kind of play in that mf role, but Will actually plays a VERY important role in the team. 
I think we agree Will mainly recycles ball  ( apart from popping g up late to score from cutbacks of course ) but in that respect he may be regarded as our @ water carrier@, every team needs a selfless player. Willing to be patient do the yards make themselves available for the pas that may not come. Stick their foot in to make afoul if necessary etc. It was Oriels job description basically- but there have been many more lauded ( though oriel does that for Barca now) . One the springs to mind is Deschamps. 
 

 

Most teams have one or two guys that act as metronomes for the tempo. Saints have got two, Flynn and Will and they are practically both have the same job  except Flyn. Seems a better overall player even if Will currently out scoring him. 
In short: Having Will AND Flynn in the team means KS or Sam or Charlie or Stu or KWP even AA and manning/ Bree have  much more latitude to show their flair than otherwise. 😇

Interesting comments.  I can't ever see Will getting close to the player Romeu was for us, and still is for a side like Barca.     I don't see enough of Will sticking his foot in and while he may make himself available for a pass it's the lack of anything much happening afterwards that troubles me.   His two goals have been well taken - part of the technical skill that he does have.     Romeu was a player who offered so much more - but that's a different debate.   I also can't see much similarity in the roles Downes and WS are playing.   Downes is an interceptor, a tackler, and a robust presence in midfield - of late he's stamped himself as a Prem standard player.      WS is a lightweight recycler who clocks up the yards but doesn't seem to influence the game significantly defensively or in attack - he looks a peripheral player to me who relies on others to take responsibility for the progressive pass or the direct run.  If we need the second metronome for tempo and distribution I'm thinking Charles may be the better option, or Alcaraz if we are  all out in attack - or maybe we need to recruit another midfielder.

[Saint_clark]

2 minutes ago, austsaint said:

Interesting comments.  I can't ever see Will getting close to the player Romeu was for us, and still is for a side like Barca.     I don't see enough of Will sticking his foot in and while he may make himself available for a pass it's the lack of anything much happening afterwards that troubles me.   His two goals have been well taken - part of the technical skill that he does have.     Romeu was a player who offered so much more - but that's a different debate.   I also can't see much similarity in the roles Downes and WS are playing.   Downes is an interceptor, a tackler, and a robust presence in midfield - of late he's stamped himself as a Prem standard player.      WS is a lightweight recycler who clocks up the yards but doesn't seem to influence the game significantly defensively or in attack - he looks a peripheral player to me who relies on others to take responsibility for the progressive pass or the direct run.  If we need the second metronome for tempo and distribution I'm thinking Charles may be the better option, or Alcaraz if we are  all out in attack - or maybe we need to recruit another midfielder.

Smallbone is absolutely the kind of player that will look good playing in a good team, but won't stand out if playing in a bad one. He kind of just puts in those 6-7 out of 10 performances with nothing outstandingly good or bad. 

[Whitey Grandad]

56 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Running for the ball, timing his run and header perfectly to win said ball. He wasn't backing into the keeper at all - Baz came flying out. 

He backed right into Bazunu!

[Whitey Grandad]

56 minutes ago, saintant said:

As to decisions going our way I would argue that the ref missed a blatant scissor kick on KWP. We didn't get what was a clear free kick, Brum brought on their sub and they scored immediately. Ref gives us the free kick and Brum don't score because the pattern of the game is changed.

I don’t think the ref missed it because it was right under his nose but you’re right, it was a scissor action.

[Whitey Grandad]

18 minutes ago, Chewy said:

Whitey, you do talk some utter sh1t. 

Why do you say that? Are you saying that he wasn’t running backwards? That’s s exactly what he was doing.

[Whitey Grandad]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Whitey is not trying to suggest the challenge from Baz was not a penalty?

Yes, it wasn’t a penalty. 

[Saint_clark]

5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

He backed right into Bazunu!

I just watched it again, you're talking nonsense. He runs into the box and turns to jump for the ball, Bazunu flattens him. 55 seconds in.

 

Edited 29 October, 2023 by Saint_clark

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I don’t think the ref missed it because it was right under his nose but you’re right, it was a scissor action.

But do you think it was a foul? It looked blatant to me and quite dangerous although their player came off worse.

[Whitey Grandad]

I noticed something else yesterday. At kickoff we won the toss and chose to attack the Chapel End meaning that they weren’t attacking the end with their fans in the second half. This also happened in an earlier home game that we won (QPR?)

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

But do you think it was a foul? It looked blatant to me and quite dangerous although their player came off worse.

No, it wasn’t a foul. It was a ‘natural coming together’. There is a different interpretation when a goalkeeper is involved.

Their player might have pretended to have been injured but it wasn’t from any body contact from Baz who turned away to his left at the last moment. He did it for effect.

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I just watched it again, you're talking nonsense. He runs into the box and turns to jump for the ball, Bazunu flattens him. 55 seconds in.

 

Yeah, I’ve got the whole game recorded on my TV.

He runs into the box, then turns and jumps into Bazunu. He gets his head to the ball first but he also prevents the goalkeeper catching the ball. 
 

Six and half a dozen.

[rallyboy]

The ref and lino had a little run of giving throws the wrong way, then they could well have had a penalty, may not have been, there was a possible offside goal, very tight, and they may or may not have got away with a couple of potential red card challenges, one that led directly to their goal - opinions.

But what we can all agree on is that Rooney looks twenty years older than Pahars.

 

 

[JRM]

Another observation, we now have 24 points after 14 games. 

Last season we achieved 25 points in 38 games. 

Winning home games, feelgood atmosphere at the final whistle, fans enjoying themselves again. 

[gio1saints]

1 hour ago, austsaint said:

  If we need the second metronome for tempo and distribution I'm thinking Charles may be the better option, or Alcaraz if we are  all out in attack - or maybe we need to recruit another midfielder.

Agree that Charles has got a lot of potential to be a great in that position - replacing either. I feel we are strong having three players of that ilk there.  
 

Charlie should be allowed to be Charlie though- he would benefit from more discipline I guess but I’m uncertain what we would lose in his innate ability. Sam and KS are also examples - I prefer them to play naturally, freely. 

 

She’s IS being transitioned into the team though and getting his minutes in here and there. Needs to take his chances when he’s on and latterly dont think he’s overly impressed from the bench despite early promise. I think he will be a star though and indeed may replace Will. ( who picks up cards quite freely) 

[gio1saints]

6 minutes ago, JRM said:

Another observation, we now have 24 points after 14 games. 

Last season we achieved 25 points in 38 games. 

Winning home games, feelgood atmosphere at the final whistle, fans enjoying themselves again. 

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[Oldandtired]

I, along with others, can andprobably will pontificate on the minutiae of this game. But the bottom line is I enjoyed it and that's what I pay my money for.

[oldsarum]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I noticed something else yesterday. At kickoff we won the toss and chose to attack the Chapel End meaning that they weren’t attacking the end with their fans in the second half. This also happened in an earlier home game that we won (QPR?)

Did same for Leeds and Rotherham games too

 

[Saint_clark]

4 minutes ago, oldsarum said:

Did same for Leeds and Rotherham games too

 

It's only taken 20 odd years of us saying it for someone in the club to try it out.

[Baird of the land]

2 hours ago, saintant said:

The penalty is a strange one because there was a very similar incident when Wolves played Man Utd. The Utd keeper cleaned out a Wolves striker just like yesterday and VAR looked at it but decided no penalty. I'm baffled because I thought both were blatant penalties but perhaps we are misinterpreting the rules. I did notice that Sky asked our old mate Mike Dean and he said it was a blatant penalty. 

Pretty sure that wolves incident was one of the ones the referee's admitted was a VAr error.

Seems more a legacy blindspot when it comes to referee's dealing with keeper fouls. If it had of been an outfielder i've no doubt ref would have been blowing for a spot kick instantly.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

16 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I think I get it now. You could see today when we were playing it around at the back that the players were waiting for a certain amount of Brum players to commit forwards to try and press us, or for certain Brum midfielders to cross a certain threshold, before going for the forward pass into the space they had left.

When Brum made the sub early in the second half, it took us a while to adapt to their new patterns, and as a result we conceded and then had a wobbly period while we worked out who would press where and when. Once we did though, we retook control of the play and from there on Brum obligingly fell into our trap of drawing them out.

I've been very critical of Russball so far, but today it worked perfectly, bar that 5-10 minute spell around when they scored.

What made a nice difference, and importantly, an early difference was that we were willing to dictate the tempo and get it forward. We had some good early, deeper deliveries. That caught Birmingham out, who were expecting us to do exactly what you said above.

16 hours ago, RedArmy said:

I sort of agree but we have to finish teams off when we’re on top rather than being happy to sit on a lead and try and close it out with ‘controlled possession’ because it can go wrong very quickly, as it did at Preston and nearly did today.

And this is a balancing issue. We've got a high posession game, we're already in the lead and Birmingham are not triggering any passing beyond shifting it aorund. keeping it fairly compact and we're not testing them too much. If we're too reckless then we increase the risk. If we pass ourselves to death, we may lose the momentum on the game and, since no team is perfect, may make an error of our own, concede and then struggle to get some tempo back. That's furstrating for everyone, as with that system, we've essentially thrown away the advantage, and Martin rightly gets the flak for that.

Hopefully Martin will be developing them to be able to have the confidence to test teams in different ways when the normal triggers aren't being activated. Momentum is more than just having the ball, control is more than simply having possession, if you're not doing anything with it. Yesterday, there was a spell where waiting for them to try and get back into it, and keep possession was exactly right. We can also change that up a little, while keeping well within Martin's system. We did it early on yesterday; We've seen Baz's distribution get longer recently; Bree, Stu and Downes can all pass well directly; KWP's role has changed and we're challenging our wide players to try different things; We're looking stornger later in games and pressurising opponents.

All things we've been cryign out for when it's not been going well, and seemingly all within the system Martin is developing anyway.

 

12 hours ago, austsaint said:

Your summary is good too - the only point of difference I have is questioning whether Will and Flynn deserve an equal billing for "what they do very well again".     I might be too harsh on Smallbone but I'd rate Downes game as close to best on the ground as he controlled the midfield, intercepted and passed faultlessly.   Smallbone on the other hand seems locked into a simple recycling role with lots of premeditated short passes; he often seems to be beaten (for pace) by fast, counter-attacking players and while his technical skills are good, he doesn't seem to be on the same wave length as attacking players like Stu, KWP, Sulemana, Alcaraz when he pushes forward.      I hope that RM puts the microscope on WS' continued automatic selection in the side when a player like Stewart becomes available.     Just as he's seen that there's an alternative to Manning's place in the team, it may be that the likes of Alcaraz and Charles offer more to our CM/AM roles than   WS does.   Either way, a strengthening of CM in January may be the missing part of a really strong starting 11, assuming Stewart is the answer to our striker deficiencies.

I don't think Martin could believe his luck when he saw Smallbone in training. We got to see him work really well alongside JWP. Since then, Smallbone's role has changed. In a twist on the idea of a utility player coming on able to play one of several roles, Will is playing several roles in the same game. He tracks back, screens the defence, provides an endless outball for passes right across the park (no mean feat), and is someone who can pop up at the edge of the box with a shot. He takes up the space others leave behind as well. He's not our best defensive midfielder. He's not our best direct or attacking midfielder. In other systems (some of which I like more), he may not get a game, falling between a number of specialist areas. But in Martin's system, he, along with AA, are probably on the template team sheet Martin prints out. He's not going to get everything right, with all that going on. But he is getting better in a number of the roles, which has been really good to see.

2 hours ago, saintant said:

The penalty is a strange one because there was a very similar incident when Wolves played Man Utd. The Utd keeper cleaned out a Wolves striker just like yesterday and VAR looked at it but decided no penalty. I'm baffled because I thought both were blatant penalties but perhaps we are misinterpreting the rules. I did notice that Sky asked our old mate Mike Dean and he said it was a blatant penalty. 

From my hazy memory, the Birmingham player went up, got the contact, and the ball was going wide, as Baz, eyes for the ball, thumped into him. The ball was gone when Baz clattered into him. But I was wondering if the ball already being away with there being no chance of the Birmingham player, or anyone else, geting it, played a part in the decision? No idea, I'm just speculating there.

[niceandfriendly]

18 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Not that odd at all, it's always quieter after a win. Not much to debate on a forum when everyone agrees it's been a good day.

You bastard, it was a very good day. 
 

😉

[davefizzy14]

Another great performance yesterday. We totally controlled the first half and could have been more than 2 up at the break. Second half barring 5 mins when we conceded we regained our composure and killed the game off. Flynn Downes is a premier league player who is absolutely class for us He controlled everything yesterday in the midfield, complete performance and my MOTM. THB was imperious too, and a great header from a lovely cross from Adam Armstrong Sulemana put in a quality delivery for Carlos to finish off and then Arma put the finishing touches to a good afternoon with a nice finish coming from another quality delivery from Fraser and nice header back into his path by Edozie Another victory for us and amazing to see Marian, a true Saint and Legend. COYR

[macca155]

4 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The Championship have decided against it.

Offside? Not enough that you’d have noticed. It was the exactly the sort of offside situation that football has been using for decades. Only VAR could possibly have given it.

Why do you think Bazunu’s attempt was a penalty? It was as much the attacker backing in as anything. It was a natural coming together.

Reverse that to an attempted decapitation of Adams and we'd be screaming for a Pen.

I understand that the ref felt the ball wasn't under control and viewed it as a collision, but no way is that surviving a VAR replay.

Good news we won't see it until next year (hopefully)

[farawaysaint]

37 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

Another great performance yesterday. We totally controlled the first half and could have been more than 2 up at the break. Second half barring 5 mins when we conceded we regained our composure and killed the game off. Flynn Downes is a premier league player who is absolutely class for us He controlled everything yesterday in the midfield, complete performance and my MOTM. THB was imperious too, and a great header from a lovely cross from Adam Armstrong Sulemana put in a quality delivery for Carlos to finish off and then Arma put the finishing touches to a good afternoon with a nice finish coming from another quality delivery from Fraser and nice header back into his path by Edozie Another victory for us and amazing to see Marian, a true Saint and Legend. COYR

🙂

[AlexLaw76]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Yeah, I’ve got the whole game recorded on my TV.

He runs into the box, then turns and jumps into Bazunu. He gets his head to the ball first but he also prevents the goalkeeper catching the ball. 
 

Six and half a dozen.

My Christ. 

[Tamesaint]

I can see why no penalty was given. The forward was running backwards into Gavin and couldn't see where he was going. When contact happened he was falling backwards and the ball was trickling out for a goal kick. 

If I was a Blues fan, I would be upset but definitely don't think that it was a nailed on penalty. 

[saintant]

4 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

No, it wasn’t a foul. It was a ‘natural coming together’. There is a different interpretation when a goalkeeper is involved.

Their player might have pretended to have been injured but it wasn’t from any body contact from Baz who turned away to his left at the last moment. He did it for effect.

I was actually talking about the scissor tackle on JWP not the Baz incident.

[Badger]

5 hours ago, saintant said:

I did notice that Sky asked our old mate Mike Dean and he said it was a blatant penalty. 

Did Mike Dean also add he’d have shown Bazunu a red card for it ?
 

If asked why he’d probably have added “because I can” .

(just to make a game if it of course, and see if we can concede 9 again) 

[Wade Garrett]

6 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I noticed something else yesterday. At kickoff we won the toss and chose to attack the Chapel End meaning that they weren’t attacking the end with their fans in the second half. This also happened in an earlier home game that we won (QPR?)

Well spotted Sherlock.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

3 hours ago, macca155 said:

Reverse that to an attempted decapitation of Adams and we'd be screaming for a Pen.

I understand that the ref felt the ball wasn't under control and viewed it as a collision, but no way is that surviving a VAR replay.

Good news we won't see it until next year (hopefully)

I don't have any detailed justification but it didn't feel like a penalty to me.

I'm very much enjoying the absence of VAR. I do wonder if it's because we're now a big team in this league and getting all the favourable decisions.

[dellboysaint]

Surely the good performance came because Martin started with Sulemana and Alcarez. This did not happen at Preston. It gave us the attacking threat which made all the difference. I hope Small one learns to pass forward and create something. Aribo is much better. 

[Badger]

7 hours ago, JRM said:

Another observation, we now have 24 points after 14 games. 

Last season we achieved 25 points in 38 games. 

Winning home games, feelgood atmosphere at the final whistle, fans enjoying themselves again. 

Not too much scar tissue on display then ? 

[Charlie Wayman]

8 hours ago, saintant said:

Smallbone will never be a top quality player but I think a lot of his good work gets missed. I'd say his movement off the ball and ability to find pockets of space is better than anyone else in the team. He is also developing a very good understanding with KWP making an excellent partnership there plus he's popped up with a few goals. What he possibly  lacks is a little bit of pace and physicality but most games I think he plays an important role for the team.

I have a feeling that the fans reactions to Smallbone are similar to those when Ward Prowse became a regular in the team. Even then many people including me thought he was out of his depth and would never become a decent PL player. I well remember the groans that erupted from the Itchen when his name was read out as a starter.

He made it, we were wrong and the rest as they say is history.

I thought he played really well yesterday, there's a player in there somewhere waiting to burst forth.

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I have a feeling that the fans reactions to Smallbone are similar to those when Ward Prowse became a regular in the team. Even then many people including me thought he was out of his depth and would never become a decent PL player. I well remember the groans that erupted from the Itchen when his name was read out as a starter.

He made it, we were wrong and the rest as they say is history.

I thought he played really well yesterday, there's a player in there somewhere waiting to burst forth.

He’s similar to ward-Prowse in that he’s a neat and tidy player but not spectacular. These sort of players aren’t fans favourites but the sort every team needs see also Gareth Barry, James Milner, our own Steven Davis. Fans want players that dribble and shoot, crunch into tackles, run around a lot and show pashun! I don’t mind Smallbone, I don’t think he’s great but he does a job and I can see why Martin likes him 

[sandwichsaint]

26 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He’s similar to ward-Prowse in that he’s a neat and tidy player but not spectacular. These sort of players aren’t fans favourites but the sort every team needs see also Gareth Barry, James Milner, our own Steven Davis. Fans want players that dribble and shoot, crunch into tackles, run around a lot and show pashun! I don’t mind Smallbone, I don’t think he’s great but he does a job and I can see why Martin likes him 

 

He's another Matt Oakley, the first name on the teamsheet and the last player you talk about after the game. Every team has one and I think he does a decent job for us.

Spoiler alert, I saw Oakley score a screamer away at Palace on a boxing day.

[Saint_clark]

2 minutes ago, sandwichsaint said:

 

He's another Matt Oakley, the first name on the teamsheet and the last player you talk about after the game. Every team has one and I think he does a decent job for us.

Spoiler alert, I saw Oakley score a screamer away at Palace on a boxing day.

Best Oakley goal will always be that Pompey one.

Side note, it's a travesty that he never got a testimonial.

Edited 29 October, 2023 by Saint_clark

[Turkish]

32 minutes ago, sandwichsaint said:

 

He's another Matt Oakley, the first name on the teamsheet and the last player you talk about after the game. Every team has one and I think he does a decent job for us.

Spoiler alert, I saw Oakley score a screamer away at Palace on a boxing day.

Didnt he also score both goals in the 2-1 away win at Millwall the year we got got fa cup final?

I always liked Oakley too, I guess some of us look at the game differently to others 

Edited 29 October, 2023 by Turkish

[niceandfriendly]

Not much to see really, any others?

[Saint Fan CaM]

14 hours ago, JRM said:

Another observation, we now have 24 points after 14 games. 

Last season we achieved 25 points in 38 games. 

Winning home games, feelgood atmosphere at the final whistle, fans enjoying themselves again. 

Yes we’re winning more games which is great, but let’s not get too ahead of ourselves…these 24 points have been gained at a lower level, so not really a valid direct comparison.

[farawaysaint]

7 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Yes we’re winning more games which is great, but let’s not get too ahead of ourselves…these 24 points have been gained at a lower level, so not really a valid direct comparison.

I mean I don't think anyone is saying that, I'd rather win a game against Wednesday than lose to Manchester United 9-0 though. 

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

7 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Yes we’re winning more games which is great, but let’s not get too ahead of ourselves…these 24 points have been gained at a lower level, so not really a valid direct comparison.

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[Charlie Wayman]

13 hours ago, Turkish said:

He’s similar to ward-Prowse in that he’s a neat and tidy player but not spectacular. These sort of players aren’t fans favourites but the sort every team needs see also Gareth Barry, James Milner, our own Steven Davis. Fans want players that dribble and shoot, crunch into tackles, run around a lot and show pashun! I don’t mind Smallbone, I don’t think he’s great but he does a job and I can see why Martin likes him 

The home grown element is important too and Russell Martin has acknowledge that previously. The lad is an intelligent footballer and can only get better, he could be our next Academy success story.

[Charlie Wayman]

13 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Best Oakley goal will always be that Pompey one.

Side note, it's a travesty that he never got a testimonial.

The only testimonial we have seen in recent years was for Kelvin Davis a few year ago when dear old Nigel returned for one last hurrah!

Testimonials have become irrelevant as rewards in the business have soared and club loyalty under valued.

[Saint_clark]

2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

The only testimonial we have seen in recent years was for Kelvin Davis a few year ago when dear old Nigel returned for one last hurrah!

Testimonials have become irrelevant as rewards in the business have soared and club loyalty under valued.

Yeah I know, but testimonials are still a thing with the proceeds usually going to a charity of the players choice.

[Saint Fan CaM]

15 hours ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Bet you enjoyed our previous promotions 🙄

I did thanks. Did you?