Saint Scott Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 36 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: TBF you'd expect Downes and THB to have cost significantly more if we'd actually bought them. The striker was an idiotic signing I said as much at the time. Yes, for sure. I seem to remember there is an obligation to buy THB of just over £20m if we're promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, Saint Scott said: Yes, for sure. I seem to remember there is an obligation to buy THB of just over £20m if we're promoted. Worth every penny. We’ll get a couple of years out of him then sell him for 3-4 times that. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 18 minutes ago, Turkish said: Worth every penny. We’ll get a couple of years out of him then sell him for 3-4 times that. That would be the ideal but you'd of thought City would have inserted a more modest buy back option if the obligation is triggered. THB is destined to be a full international for England for many years to come. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 10 hours ago, Saint Scott said: Yes, for sure. I seem to remember there is an obligation to buy THB of just over £20m if we're promoted. Getting promoted this year is also really important just to keep THB, pleasure to watch him and fits in so well with Bednarek. From what I hear he's a really down to earth lad, mature for his age which I guess is shown by his captaincy of England u21s and already being included in training with England first team. Makes a huge difference from some of the players with questionable attitude who tried to play there last season, particularly Salisu and Caleta-Car (Lyanco just a lunatic) ABK is only on loan at PSV isn't he so potentially we end up with him again if his shoulder ever repairs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 9 hours ago, Saint Scott said: That would be the ideal but you'd of thought City would have inserted a more modest buy back option if the obligation is triggered. THB is destined to be a full international for England for many years to come. I genuinely think good 2nd half of the season THB and KWP should be given a look in for England squad. Of course they won't as football doesn't exist outside the Premier league but they are good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 7 minutes ago, JRM said: I genuinely think good 2nd half of the season THB and KWP should be given a look in for England squad. Of course they won't as football doesn't exist outside the Premier league but they are good enough. Unfortunately for KWP with TAA, James & Walker ahead of him he won't get in unless due to a major injury crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 10 minutes ago, JRM said: I genuinely think good 2nd half of the season THB and KWP should be given a look in for England squad. Of course they won't as football doesn't exist outside the Premier league but they are good enough. Don’t disagree that they are potentially good enough. I do disagree that players from the championship should be selected. Unless they were absolutely world class. To play for England you have to be playing week in, week out at premier league standard or higher imo. I would be annoyed at an England manager selecting players from the championship unless they were very obviously the best Messi/Ronaldo. Hopefully THB can earn his way to the top level with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBizzier69 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 22 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Don’t disagree that they are potentially good enough. I do disagree that players from the championship should be selected. Unless they were absolutely world class. To play for England you have to be playing week in, week out at premier league standard or higher imo. I would be annoyed at an England manager selecting players from the championship unless they were very obviously the best Messi/Ronaldo. Hopefully THB can earn his way to the top level with us. Thankfully Southgate couldn’t give a monkeys if you don’t play at all….! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 hours ago, Osvaldorama said: I would be annoyed at an England manager selecting players from the championship unless they were very obviously the best Messi/Ronaldo. Think it's safe to say that Jordan Henderson is no Leo Messi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 Burnley accepted loan bid for Benson but talks have now stalled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 There’s a weak connection to Stade Rennes and Jan B via Mercato.com on the interweb. Looks nothing but froth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 45 minutes ago, Master Bates said: Burnley accepted loan bid for Benson but talks have now stalled. #freebensonnow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 58 minutes ago, Master Bates said: Burnley accepted loan bid for Benson but talks have now stalled. https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/61741/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 45 minutes ago, Master Bates said: https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/61741/ "Nathan Redmond" - Top reporting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just now, Greedyfly said: "Nathan Redmond" - Top reporting. it is a report. It's an opinion piece from a forum owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 So where does he go to Everton or back to us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Turkish said: it is a report. It's an opinion piece from a forum owner. Can an opinion be inaccurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 22 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Don't necessarily disagree, I just think if you're talking about spending 15 million in the championship it really needs to be your best and key player rather than a guy with potential who sits on the bench most weeks. Like I said, good player but for that money in our position I'd be expecting one of the top players in the championship. I'm glad we gambled on another hot youth prospect again rather than signing Winks, but it just hasn't worked out...yet. To be honest, I expected a bit more than I've seen so far, but time is on his side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, Chez said: I'm glad we gambled on another hot youth prospect again rather than signing Winks, but it just hasn't worked out...yet. To be honest, I expected a bit more than I've seen so far, but time is on his side. Not an unreasonable comment. I think Charles is a half decent signing, my problem was with having a restricted budget and buying potential with a lot of it. Seems like an inefficient use of relatively meagre resources to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Fack all this pissing about on Benson and Hedges.... Stick some reddies on the table and go all out for Jack Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 49 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Not an unreasonable comment. I think Charles is a half decent signing, my problem was with having a restricted budget and buying potential with a lot of it. Seems like an inefficient use of relatively meagre resources to me. I'm surprised by the comments about Charles. I think we are very lucky to have Charles in the squad and think that his performances, maturity and versatility have been outstanding for a 20 year old. Flynn Downes himself has labelled the performances of teammate Shea Charles "a joke" and added: "I wish I was as good as him when I was 20." 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 41 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Fack all this pissing about on Benson and Hedges.... Stick some reddies on the table and go all out for Jack Clarke Don’t need him. We’ve got Ryan Fraser 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, lambtiss said: I'm surprised by the comments about Charles. I think we are very lucky to have Charles in the squad and think that his performances, maturity and versatility have been outstanding for a 20 year old. Flynn Downes himself has labelled the performances of teammate Shea Charles "a joke" and added: "I wish I was as good as him when I was 20." I haven't disputed that he's decent for a 20 year old. We spent 15 million on him in the championship and he's essentially a bit part player. Given the choice, I'd have spent more on a top forward signing rather than the crock we went for to give Leicester a run for their money. It's not a really big deal as we are on an excellent run but if you were being really critical that's where we could improve and where I'd have spent the bulk of our budget. To put it another way, the likes of Downes and Fraser are imo a level above Charles at the moment for all his undoubted potential and are proven championship performers so an equivalent player of that sort was what I'd have liked to have seen in the summer - either loan or transfer - before we spent so much of our budget on a young promising player. I accept others may feel differently but nothing wrong with having high standards. Edited January 19 by hypochondriac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Pretty sure Charles was £10m rising to £15m with add ons? £10m is still a high fee for this league mind. I expected him to be a starter fairly quickly but still think he’s going to be a decent signing for us over time and likely make us a tidy profit as our model requires. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 18/01/2024 at 23:27, Saint Scott said: That would be the ideal but you'd of thought City would have inserted a more modest buy back option if the obligation is triggered. THB is destined to be a full international for England for many years to come. I don’t really care too much for transfer fees I just want to enjoy watching him whilst he’s here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, goodymatt said: Pretty sure Charles was £10m rising to £15m with add ons? £10m is still a high fee for this league mind. I expected him to be a starter fairly quickly but still think he’s going to be a decent signing for us over time and likely make us a tidy profit as our model requires. I expect eventually he will turn out to be a decent signing. If we do go up though I can't see him getting much gametime at least initially. Will probably need him if we stay down though and will likely be our Downes replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: I expect eventually he will turn out to be a decent signing. If we do go up though I can't see him getting much gametime at least initially. Will probably need him if we stay down though and will likely be our Downes replacement. Charles is a decent signing already, in my book. He has 24 appearances for Saints this year, hardly the "bit player" you make him out to be. The modern game isn't just about the starting eleven, it's about the whole match day team which he is firmly a part of. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, lambtiss said: Charles is a decent signing already, in my book. He has 24 appearances for Saints this year, hardly the "bit player" you make him out to be. The modern game isn't just about the starting eleven, it's about the whole match day team which he is firmly a part of. He's not a starting player which for 10-15 million he should be. Before the season started if you knew nothing about him other than his cost you'd be saying exactly the same thing. It's not his fault that was his price tag of course and like I said we will probably need him if we don't go up this year. Point still stands though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 29 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: He's not a starting player which for 10-15 million he should be. Before the season started if you knew nothing about him other than his cost you'd be saying exactly the same thing. It's not his fault that was his price tag of course and like I said we will probably need him if we don't go up this year. Point still stands though. He was bought as potential, and I suspect the thought was he'd be worth 4 or 5 times the cost in a couple of seasons before we got relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 20 minutes ago, OldNick said: He was bought as potential, and I suspect the thought was he'd be worth 4 or 5 times the cost in a couple of seasons before we got relegated Yep he was bought as potential. Our most expensive signing of the summer and a large chunk of our budget. That's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Yep he was bought as potential. Our most expensive signing of the summer and a large chunk of our budget. That's my point. I can’t say that this bothers me particularly. It would if we were in a situation where we were badly lacking talent in certain areas and couldn’t afford to recruit, but that’s not the case. You said yourself elsewhere that you wouldn’t be bothered if we signed nobody this window, so I don’t think that’s an issue. The one problem with our squad has been a forward in the #9 mould but we did spend the money there, just on the wrong player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 55 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: He's not a starting player which for 10-15 million he should be. Before the season started if you knew nothing about him other than his cost you'd be saying exactly the same thing. It's not his fault that was his price tag of course and like I said we will probably need him if we don't go up this year. Point still stands though. Exactly this. A £10m player should be the first name on the team sheet in this league, one of the top players in the division. Our two we’ve got one that won’t play all season and another that’s a squad player. He might go on to be great in a couple of years time but those sort of fees are mega money on this league some clubs squads don’t even cost that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I can’t say that this bothers me particularly. It would if we were in a situation where we were badly lacking talent in certain areas and couldn’t afford to recruit, but that’s not the case. You said yourself elsewhere that you wouldn’t be bothered if we signed nobody this window, so I don’t think that’s an issue. The one problem with our squad has been a forward in the #9 mould but we did spend the money there, just on the wrong player. Fair comment. I do think if we fail to go up though I will look back and wonder if we should have allocated our funds more wisely. If we go up this is all largely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: Exactly this. A £10m player should be the first name on the team sheet in this league, one of the top players in the division. Our two we’ve got one that won’t play all season and another that’s a squad player. He might go on to be great in a couple of years time but those sort of fees are mega money on this league some clubs squads don’t even cost that. Yep. He's the sort of signing you'd either get on loan in the champ or take a punt on in the prem to use as backup with the hope that he turns into a world beater. He's not the player currently that he should be given his price tag. Again, not his fault and hopefully it won't matter at the end of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 16 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Yep he was bought as potential. Our most expensive signing of the summer and a large chunk of our budget. That's my point. wasnt Lavia the one who was most expensive?either way he could also make us plenty in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Just now, OldNick said: wasnt Lavia the one who was most expensive?either way he could also make us plenty in time I'd say that the vast majority of our reduced resources should be going towards top championship players rather than looking towards potential with resale value. If we fail to go up for two or three years I doubt he makes us much at all. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a solid championship signing it's just that the price tag is due to potential not top championship quality which is what we really need for the money spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Saw this earlier today, mad that we're there with such big clubs and look where we are now 🤦 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 40 minutes ago, Saint NL said: Saw this earlier today, mad that we're there with such big clubs and look where we are now 🤦 Because we spunked it on shite players and the ones that were any good were tossers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 23 minutes ago, Turkish said: Because we spunked it on shite players and the ones that were any good were tossers Because you can't sell players on the level we have indefinitely and assume you'll get enough success with buying new ones to be sustainable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Benson going to Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Benson going to Leeds. Not a real journalist, one of those odd fake accounts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted January 20 Author Share Posted January 20 We don't need anyone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) Who is Benson why is everyone else raving ? I haven't heard of him surely he isn't the only half decent winger.... Edited January 20 by ally_uk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Also, why would Leeds need a winger!?! The suggestion is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 10 minutes ago, sfc4prem said: Also, why would Leeds need a winger!?! The suggestion is ludicrous. Sky are reporting he's going to Leeds now as Gnonto and Summerville are potentially on the way out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, SaintsFan86 said: Benson going to Leeds. They need more wingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 25 minutes ago, Viking Saint said: Sky are reporting he's going to Leeds now as Gnonto and Summerville are potentially on the way out Why on earth would they sell summerville? He's their best player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Why on earth would they sell summerville? He's their best player. Everytime I've seen him he looks absolutely ridiculous. Unstoppable at this level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Do Man City have any youth wingers ? 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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