Jump to content

January Transfer Window 2024

Master Bates

By Master Bates
in The Saints

 Share

Recommended Posts

Saint Scott

Saint Scott

Posted
Posted
  On 18/01/2024 at 22:25, hypochondriac said:

TBF you'd expect Downes and THB to have cost significantly more if we'd actually bought them. The striker was an idiotic signing I said as much at the time. 

Expand  

Yes, for sure. I seem to remember there is an obligation to buy THB of just over £20m if we're promoted.

Turkish

Turkish

Posted
Posted
  On 18/01/2024 at 23:03, Saint Scott said:

Yes, for sure. I seem to remember there is an obligation to buy THB of just over £20m if we're promoted.

Expand  

Worth every penny. We’ll get a couple of years out of him then sell him for 3-4 times that. 

  • Like 11
Saint Scott

Saint Scott

Posted
Posted
  On 18/01/2024 at 23:07, Turkish said:

Worth every penny. We’ll get a couple of years out of him then sell him for 3-4 times that. 

Expand  

That would be the ideal but you'd of thought City would have inserted a more modest buy back option if the obligation is triggered.

 

THB is destined to be a full international for England for many years to come.

  • Like 5
JRM

JRM

Posted
Posted
  On 18/01/2024 at 23:03, Saint Scott said:

Yes, for sure. I seem to remember there is an obligation to buy THB of just over £20m if we're promoted.

Expand  

Getting promoted this year is also really important just to keep THB, pleasure to watch him and fits in so well with Bednarek. From what I hear he's a really down to earth lad, mature for his age which I guess is shown by his captaincy of England u21s and already being included in training with England first team. 

Makes a huge difference from some of the players with questionable attitude who tried to play there last season,  particularly Salisu and Caleta-Car (Lyanco just a lunatic) 

ABK is only on loan at PSV isn't he so potentially we end up with him again if his shoulder ever repairs. 

  • Like 3
JRM

JRM

Posted
Posted
  On 18/01/2024 at 23:27, Saint Scott said:

That would be the ideal but you'd of thought City would have inserted a more modest buy back option if the obligation is triggered.

 

THB is destined to be a full international for England for many years to come.

Expand  

I genuinely think good 2nd half of the season THB and KWP should be given a look in for England squad. Of course they won't as football doesn't exist outside the Premier league but they are good enough. 

skintsaint

skintsaint

Posted
Posted
  On 19/01/2024 at 09:10, JRM said:

I genuinely think good 2nd half of the season THB and KWP should be given a look in for England squad. Of course they won't as football doesn't exist outside the Premier league but they are good enough. 

Expand  

Unfortunately for KWP with TAA, James & Walker ahead of him he won't get in unless due to a major injury crisis.

Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

Posted
Posted
  On 19/01/2024 at 09:10, JRM said:

I genuinely think good 2nd half of the season THB and KWP should be given a look in for England squad. Of course they won't as football doesn't exist outside the Premier league but they are good enough. 

Expand  


Don’t disagree that they are potentially good enough. 
 

I do disagree that players from the championship should be selected. Unless they were absolutely world class. To play for England you have to be playing week in, week out at premier league standard or higher imo. I would be annoyed at an England manager selecting players from the championship unless they were very obviously the best Messi/Ronaldo. 
 

Hopefully THB can earn his way to the top level with us. 

LeBizzier69

LeBizzier69

Posted
Posted
  On 19/01/2024 at 09:23, Osvaldorama said:


Don’t disagree that they are potentially good enough. 
 

I do disagree that players from the championship should be selected. Unless they were absolutely world class. To play for England you have to be playing week in, week out at premier league standard or higher imo. I would be annoyed at an England manager selecting players from the championship unless they were very obviously the best Messi/Ronaldo. 
 

Hopefully THB can earn his way to the top level with us. 

Expand  

Thankfully Southgate couldn’t give a monkeys if you don’t play at all….!

  • Haha 1
  • Confused 1
igsey

igsey

Posted
Posted
  On 19/01/2024 at 09:23, Osvaldorama said:

I would be annoyed at an England manager selecting players from the championship unless they were very obviously the best Messi/Ronaldo. 

Expand  

Think it's safe to say that Jordan Henderson is no Leo Messi...

Chez

Chez

Posted
Posted
  On 18/01/2024 at 21:49, hypochondriac said:

Don't necessarily disagree, I just think if you're talking about spending 15 million in the championship it really needs to be your best and key player rather than a guy with potential who sits on the bench most weeks. Like I said, good player but for that money in our position I'd be expecting one of the top players in the championship. 

Expand  

I'm glad we gambled on another hot youth prospect again rather than signing Winks, but it just hasn't worked out...yet. To be honest, I expected a bit more than I've seen so far, but time is on his side.

  • Like 1
hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted
  On 19/01/2024 at 20:29, Chez said:

I'm glad we gambled on another hot youth prospect again rather than signing Winks, but it just hasn't worked out...yet. To be honest, I expected a bit more than I've seen so far, but time is on his side.

Expand  

Not an unreasonable comment. I think Charles is a half decent signing, my problem was with having a restricted budget and buying potential with a lot of it. Seems like an inefficient use of relatively meagre resources to me. 

  • Confused 2
lambtiss

lambtiss

Posted
Posted
  On 19/01/2024 at 20:34, hypochondriac said:

Not an unreasonable comment. I think Charles is a half decent signing, my problem was with having a restricted budget and buying potential with a lot of it. Seems like an inefficient use of relatively meagre resources to me. 

Expand  

I'm surprised by the comments about Charles. I think we are very lucky to have Charles in the squad and think that his  performances, maturity and versatility have been outstanding for a 20 year old. Flynn Downes himself has labelled the performances of teammate Shea Charles "a joke" and added: "I wish I was as good as him when I was 20."

  • Like 14
Guest

Guest

Posted
Posted
  On 19/01/2024 at 21:02, ally_uk said:

Fack all this pissing about on Benson and Hedges....

Stick some reddies on the table and go all out for Jack Clarke 

Expand  

Don’t need him. We’ve got Ryan Fraser

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted (edited)
  On 19/01/2024 at 21:30, lambtiss said:

I'm surprised by the comments about Charles. I think we are very lucky to have Charles in the squad and think that his  performances, maturity and versatility have been outstanding for a 20 year old. Flynn Downes himself has labelled the performances of teammate Shea Charles "a joke" and added: "I wish I was as good as him when I was 20."

Expand  

I haven't disputed that he's decent for a 20 year old. We spent 15 million on him in the championship and he's essentially a bit part player. Given the choice, I'd have spent more on a top forward signing rather than the crock we went for to give Leicester a run for their money. It's not a really big deal as we are on an excellent run but if you were being really critical that's where we could improve and where I'd have spent the bulk of our budget. To put it another way, the likes of Downes and Fraser are imo a level above Charles at the moment for all his undoubted potential and are proven championship performers so an equivalent player of that sort was what I'd have liked to have seen in the summer - either loan or transfer - before we spent so much of our budget on a young promising player. I accept others may feel differently but nothing wrong with having high standards. 

Edited by hypochondriac
  • Confused 2
goodymatt

goodymatt

Posted
Posted

Pretty sure Charles was £10m rising to £15m with add ons? £10m is still a high fee for this league mind. I expected him to be a starter fairly quickly but still think he’s going to be a decent signing for us over time and likely make us a tidy profit as our model requires. 

  • Like 3
Turkish

Turkish

Posted
Posted
  On 18/01/2024 at 23:27, Saint Scott said:

That would be the ideal but you'd of thought City would have inserted a more modest buy back option if the obligation is triggered.

 

THB is destined to be a full international for England for many years to come.

Expand  

I don’t really care too much for transfer fees I just want to enjoy watching him whilst he’s here. 

  • Like 1
hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted
  On 19/01/2024 at 23:04, goodymatt said:

Pretty sure Charles was £10m rising to £15m with add ons? £10m is still a high fee for this league mind. I expected him to be a starter fairly quickly but still think he’s going to be a decent signing for us over time and likely make us a tidy profit as our model requires. 

Expand  

I expect eventually he will turn out to be a decent signing. If we do go up though I can't see him getting much gametime at least initially. Will probably need him if we stay down though and will likely be our Downes replacement. 

lambtiss

lambtiss

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 07:53, hypochondriac said:

I expect eventually he will turn out to be a decent signing. If we do go up though I can't see him getting much gametime at least initially. Will probably need him if we stay down though and will likely be our Downes replacement. 

Expand  

Charles is a decent signing already, in my book. He has 24 appearances for Saints this year, hardly the "bit player" you make him out to be.  The modern game isn't just about the starting eleven, it's about the whole match day team which he is firmly a part of. 

  • Like 6
hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 09:32, lambtiss said:

Charles is a decent signing already, in my book. He has 24 appearances for Saints this year, hardly the "bit player" you make him out to be.  The modern game isn't just about the starting eleven, it's about the whole match day team which he is firmly a part of. 

Expand  

He's not a starting player which for 10-15 million he should be. Before the season started if you knew nothing about him other than his cost you'd be saying exactly the same thing. It's not his fault that was his price tag of course and like I said we will probably need him if we don't go up this year. Point still stands though. 

  • Like 1
  • Confused 1
OldNick

OldNick

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 09:37, hypochondriac said:

He's not a starting player which for 10-15 million he should be. Before the season started if you knew nothing about him other than his cost you'd be saying exactly the same thing. It's not his fault that was his price tag of course and like I said we will probably need him if we don't go up this year. Point still stands though. 

Expand  

He was bought as potential, and I suspect the thought was he'd be worth 4 or 5 times the cost in a couple of seasons before we got relegated

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 10:07, OldNick said:

He was bought as potential, and I suspect the thought was he'd be worth 4 or 5 times the cost in a couple of seasons before we got relegated

Expand  

Yep he was bought as potential. Our most expensive signing of the summer and a large chunk of our budget. That's my point. 

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 10:28, hypochondriac said:

Yep he was bought as potential. Our most expensive signing of the summer and a large chunk of our budget. That's my point. 

Expand  

I can’t say that this bothers me particularly. It would if we were in a situation where we were badly lacking talent in certain areas and couldn’t afford to recruit, but that’s not the case. You said yourself elsewhere that you wouldn’t be bothered if we signed nobody this window, so I don’t think that’s an issue. The one problem with our squad has been a forward in the #9 mould but we did spend the money there, just on the wrong player.

Turkish

Turkish

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 09:37, hypochondriac said:

He's not a starting player which for 10-15 million he should be. Before the season started if you knew nothing about him other than his cost you'd be saying exactly the same thing. It's not his fault that was his price tag of course and like I said we will probably need him if we don't go up this year. Point still stands though. 

Expand  

Exactly this. A £10m player should be the first name on the team sheet in this league, one of the top players in the division. Our two we’ve got one that won’t play all season and another that’s a squad player. He might go on to be great in a couple of years time but those sort of fees are mega money on this league some clubs squads don’t even cost that.

  • Like 2
hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 10:33, Lighthouse said:

I can’t say that this bothers me particularly. It would if we were in a situation where we were badly lacking talent in certain areas and couldn’t afford to recruit, but that’s not the case. You said yourself elsewhere that you wouldn’t be bothered if we signed nobody this window, so I don’t think that’s an issue. The one problem with our squad has been a forward in the #9 mould but we did spend the money there, just on the wrong player.

Expand  

Fair comment. I do think if we fail to go up though I will look back and wonder if we should have allocated our funds more wisely. If we go up this is all largely irrelevant. 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 10:34, Turkish said:

Exactly this. A £10m player should be the first name on the team sheet in this league, one of the top players in the division. Our two we’ve got one that won’t play all season and another that’s a squad player. He might go on to be great in a couple of years time but those sort of fees are mega money on this league some clubs squads don’t even cost that.

Expand  

Yep. He's the sort of signing you'd either get on loan in the champ or take a punt on in the prem to use as backup with the hope that he turns into a world beater. He's not the player currently that he should be given his price tag. Again, not his fault and hopefully it won't matter at the end of the season. 

  • Like 1
OldNick

OldNick

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 10:28, hypochondriac said:

Yep he was bought as potential. Our most expensive signing of the summer and a large chunk of our budget. That's my point. 

Expand  

wasnt Lavia the one who was most expensive?either way he could also make us plenty in time

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 10:45, OldNick said:

wasnt Lavia the one who was most expensive?either way he could also make us plenty in time

Expand  

I'd say that the vast majority of our reduced resources should be going towards top championship players rather than looking towards potential with resale value. If we fail to go up for two or three years I doubt he makes us much at all. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a solid championship signing it's just that the price tag is due to potential not top championship quality which is what we really need for the money spent. 

Turkish

Turkish

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 11:06, Saint NL said:

 

Saw this earlier today, mad that we're there with such big clubs and look where we are now 🤦

RDT_20240120_110329286856449476409680.thumb.jpg.98abd28feddbf2760e3cd5c77814b5d4.jpg

Expand  

Because we spunked it on shite players and the ones that were any good were tossers

  • Haha 1
hypochondriac

hypochondriac

Posted
Posted
  On 20/01/2024 at 11:47, Turkish said:

Because we spunked it on shite players and the ones that were any good were tossers

Expand  

Because you can't sell players on the level we have indefinitely and assume you'll get enough success with buying new ones to be sustainable. 

  • Like 1
ally_uk

ally_uk

Posted
Posted (edited)

Who is Benson why is everyone else raving ? I haven't heard of him surely he isn't the only half decent winger....

Edited by ally_uk
  • Like 1

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...