Joe Aribo

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 29/02/2024 at 22:54, Fabrice29 said:

It’s nothing to do with my sanity. It’s a factual piece of information not opinion.

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Factual it ain’t. It’s meaningless numbers. Such nonsense belongs on the other side of the Atlantic. Football is not played on spreadsheets.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 29/02/2024 at 23:26, pingpong said:

Smallbone has 87%pass completion rate

Aribo has 85% pass completion rate

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Dibling has 100% pass completion rate (https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/18/Show/England-Southampton)

[Fabrice29]

  On 01/03/2024 at 00:15, Whitey Grandad said:

Factual it ain’t. It’s meaningless numbers. Such nonsense belongs on the other side of the Atlantic. Football is not played on spreadsheets.

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You seem genuinely unable to grasp the concept of what a fact is. And btw, it can be both factual and meaningless. But it definitely is factual.

Edited 1 March, 2024 by Fabrice29

[Roo1976]

  On 30/12/2023 at 10:08, Miltonaggro said:

 

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he did alot of that v Liverpool youth  the other night.................................................wait is that joe?

[Miltonaggro]

  On 01/03/2024 at 10:26, Roo1976 said:

he did alot of that v Liverpool youth  the other night.................................................wait is that joe?

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Part of his natural game, but the side is better with him in it. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 01/03/2024 at 10:21, Fabrice29 said:

You seem genuinely unable to grasp the concept of what a fact is. And btw, it can be both factual and meaningless. But it definitely is factual.

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“More key passes per game”

You can’t get more subjective than that. And that’s a fact.

 

[pimpin4rizeal]

  On 29/02/2024 at 20:26, Fabrice29 said:

More goals, more assists. More key passes per game, more shots per game, more dribbles per game, more blocks per game, more clearances per game. Better pass completion rate per game. If you're actually asking.

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You don’t think these stats might be skewed by the way he’s had over 3 times the amount of games .. and arribo coming of the bench’?

[Fabrice29]

  On 01/03/2024 at 00:15, Whitey Grandad said:

Factual it ain’t. It’s meaningless numbers. Such nonsense belongs on the other side of the Atlantic. Football is not played on spreadsheets.

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  On 01/03/2024 at 11:12, Whitey Grandad said:

“More key passes per game”

You can’t get more subjective than that. And that’s a fact.

 

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2 assists today. Not sure if it's meaningless, spreadsheet subjective nonsense from the other side of the Atlantic or not though. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 02/03/2024 at 17:29, Fabrice29 said:

 

2 assists today. Not sure if it's meaningless, spreadsheet subjective nonsense from the other side of the Atlantic or not though. 

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“Assists” 🙄

What a load of nonsense. Almost as though he had some part in creating the goals. 
 

What is it with all these statistics bollocks? They didn’t exist in the 60s or 70s yet the football still carried on. They are an Americanism, an abomination to the Gods of Football, to the Beautiful Game, to “el rey de los deportes”.

 

[SotonianWill]

  On 02/03/2024 at 23:19, Whitey Grandad said:

What is it with all these statistics bollocks? They didn’t exist in the 60s or 70s yet the football still carried on. They are an Americanism, an abomination to the Gods of Football, to the Beautiful Game, to “el rey de los deportes”.

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I’m 1/99 sure they were brought in for betting purposes. That and giving stinky people (also known as football staticians) jobs.

Edited 2 March, 2024 by SotonianWill

[Fabrice29]

Didn't happen in the 60's and 70's so it must be stinky. Perfectly normal thing to think.

Edited 2 March, 2024 by Fabrice29

[VectisSaint]

  On 02/03/2024 at 23:19, Whitey Grandad said:

What is it with all these statistics bollocks? They didn’t exist in the 60s or 70s yet the football still carried on. They are an Americanism, an abomination to the Gods of Football, to the Beautiful Game, to “el rey de los deportes”.

 

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Assists have been recorded in he World Cup since 1954, Pele holds the record (10). In our day we used to say a player "made" a goal (but I'm sure they didn't record "makes").

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 02/03/2024 at 23:34, Fabrice29 said:

Didn't happen in the 60's and 70's so it must be stinky. Perfectly normal thing to think.

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These numbers were invented solely for the betting industry. They have no reflection on the game or how it should be played. FIFA didn’t start keeping any records officially until 1996.

You Americans might not realise that the game began way back in the 19th century. It was doing all right without all this drivel for well over a hundred years. 
 

You can’t analyse football. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(association_football)

[Fabrice29]

  On 02/03/2024 at 23:42, Whitey Grandad said:

These numbers were invented solely for the betting industry. They have no reflection on the game or how it should be played. FIFA didn’t start keeping any records officially until 1996.

You Americans might not realise that the game began way back in the 19th century. It was doing all right without all this drivel for well over a hundred years. 
 

You can’t analyse football. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(association_football)

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If Smallbone getting assist is leading to you having to double down and conclude you can’t analyse football then you really should stop watching. As point out above, you’re talking utter shite, again.

Edited 3 March, 2024 by Fabrice29

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 02/03/2024 at 23:42, Whitey Grandad said:

These numbers were invented solely for the betting industry. They have no reflection on the game or how it should be played. FIFA didn’t start keeping any records officially until 1996.

You Americans might not realise that the game began way back in the 19th century. It was doing all right without all this drivel for well over a hundred years. 
 

You can’t analyse football. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(association_football)

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Pretty sure they became more prevalent with the invention of 'fantasy football' in the Telegraph (originally) in the late 90's.  A way for your team to score more points without relying on goals scored.  

[CB Fry]

  On 02/03/2024 at 23:42, Whitey Grandad said:

 

You can’t analyse football. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(association_football)

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Replace the word "football" here with the word "blue whales" or "inner city children's cognitive development" or "the flow of traffic in metropolitan areas" and you might understand how moronic your statement is.

You can "analyse" anything.

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[for_heaven's_Saint]

I mean you only have to look at the fact that every top football club has a full time analysis department, plus our manager constantly talks about analysing previous games, to see that you very much can analyse football. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 03/03/2024 at 00:42, Fabrice29 said:

If Smallbone getting assist is leading to you having to double down and conclude you can’t analyse football then you really should stop watching. As point out above, you’re talking utter shite, again.

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Why the abuse? If you have to resort to that then you have run out of arguments.
 

What you call an ‘assist’ is not relevant to anything. It just happens to be the last person who touched the ball immediately before the goalscorer (of his own team).

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 03/03/2024 at 08:17, CB Fry said:

Replace the word "football" here with the word "blue whales" or "inner city children's cognitive development" or "the flow of traffic in metropolitan areas" and you might understand how moronic your statement is.

You can "analyse" anything.

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“Analyse” does not mean just compiling a list of figures. It means interpreting them. 
 

And  don’t use words like “moronic” about me. I don’t abuse you personally so why do you have to resort to such insults?

[CB Fry]

  On 03/03/2024 at 11:16, Whitey Grandad said:

“Analyse” does not mean just compiling a list of figures. It means interpreting them. 
 

And  don’t use words like “moronic” about me. I don’t abuse you personally so why do you have to resort to such insults?

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Don't try and explain the word "analyse" to me when you have used the phrase "you can't analyse football" when, obviously, you can. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 03/03/2024 at 08:20, for_heaven's_Saint said:

I mean you only have to look at the fact that every top football club has a full time analysis department, plus our manager constantly talks about analysing previous games, to see that you very much can analyse football. 

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You can try but it’s like trying to catch a fart in your hands. It’s when people try to use imaginary figures to make decisions that things start to go wrong.

[Badger]

  On 02/03/2024 at 23:19, Whitey Grandad said:

“Assists” 🙄

What a load of nonsense. Almost as though he had some part in creating the goals. 

 

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  On 02/03/2024 at 23:34, VectisSaint said:

Assists have been recorded in he World Cup since 1954, Pele holds the record (10). In our day we used to say a player "made" a goal (but I'm sure they didn't record "makes").

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I’m with you two on this, Xg complete headwank in my book, “assists” not far behind. But if the modern hipster social media generation want to get a ‘hard on’ over it then fine but don’t spout it as if it’s written on a tablet of stone.

The difference in making a goal strikes me as a Paine or a Sydenham beating a player, or an individual bit of skill setting up the opportunity, not the last player to pass it (possibly sideways a few yards) for someone else to do the business, Brooks yesterday for example.

 

[Badger]

Shame Saints didn’t employ a Data Analyst in the 50’s and 60’s,interesting to know how many assists Paine and Sydenham were credited with.

Would no doubt come as a shock to some of the ‘new age men’ who think they’ve reinvented football. 

[Badger]

  On 03/03/2024 at 07:29, Weston Super Saint said:

Pretty sure they became more prevalent with the invention of 'fantasy football' in the Telegraph (originally) in the late 90's.  A way for your team to score more points without relying on goals scored.  

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Probably true that it coincides with ‘fantasy football’, but playing my MLG card on this one, doesn’t it still rely on goals scored ?

Creating missed opportunities does not register as an assist. 

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[CB Fry]

  On 03/03/2024 at 11:29, Badger said:

Shame Saints didn’t employ a Data Analyst in the 50’s and 60’s,interesting to know how many assists Paine and Sydenham were credited with.

Would no doubt come as a shock to some of the ‘new age men’ who think they’ve reinvented football. 

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Maybe Russell Martin should send the team out wearing 50s and 60s boots on Wednesday. After all iT nEvEr diD tErRy pAiNe aNy hARm nO iT dIdN't

 

[Badger]

  On 03/03/2024 at 11:37, CB Fry said:

Maybe Russell Martin should send the team out wearing 50s and 60s boots on Wednesday. After all iT nEvEr diD tErRy pAiNe aNy hARm nO iT dIdN't

 

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Fair point perhaps. But it was probably more to do with the calibre of player suiting the game at the time. 
 

[Fabrice29]

  On 03/03/2024 at 11:13, Whitey Grandad said:

Why the abuse? If you have to resort to that then you have run out of arguments.
 

What you call an ‘assist’ is not relevant to anything. It just happens to be the last person who touched the ball immediately before the goalscorer (of his own team).

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You questioned my sanity about 6 posts ago, if we're talking about running out of arguments. 

[Fabrice29]

  On 03/03/2024 at 11:27, Badger said:

 

I’m with you two on this, Xg complete headwank in my book, “assists” not far behind. But if the modern hipster social media generation want to get a ‘hard on’ over it then fine but don’t spout it as if it’s written on a tablet of stone.

The difference in making a goal strikes me as a Paine or a Sydenham beating a player, or an individual bit of skill setting up the opportunity, not the last player to pass it (possibly sideways a few yards) for someone else to do the business, Brooks yesterday for example.

 

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Would obviously point out that not only does Smallbone give Brooks the ball yesterday to register the assist, he also deliberately makes a run to take away the defender in the space Brooks moves into shoot. Not sure if thats me using my eyes or being hipster though.

[pingpong]

Smallbone made a driving run that gave brooks the space to shoot, as well as supplying the cross for Adams goal. He was a key figure, far from peripheral, and helped get the crowd going too. He's a crisp passer of the ball.

He also really wants to play for us. 

We should support him when he plays. I'd be happy with him or aribo playing, it's nice to have two in form players for that position.

[saintant]

  On 03/03/2024 at 12:14, pingpong said:

Smallbone made a driving run that gave brooks the space to shoot, as well as supplying the cross for Adams goal. He was a key figure, far from peripheral, and helped get the crowd going too. He's a crisp passer of the ball.

He also really wants to play for us. 

We should support him when he plays. I'd be happy with him or aribo playing, it's nice to have two in form players for that position.

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He also flicked a very deft pass round the corner to keep the move going for our first goal.

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[The Kraken]

  On 03/03/2024 at 07:29, Weston Super Saint said:

Pretty sure they became more prevalent with the invention of 'fantasy football' in the Telegraph (originally) in the late 90's.  A way for your team to score more points without relying on goals scored.  

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Halcyon days those, and it was much earlier than the late 90s, I remember doing Telegraph FF in 1993/94 season. Buying the paper on a Monday to find out how you’d got on over the weekend, kids today with online minute to minute points updates don’t know they’re born.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 03/03/2024 at 11:31, Badger said:

Probably true that it coincides with ‘fantasy football’, but playing my MLG card on this one, doesn’t it still rely on goals scored ?

Creating missed opportunities does not register as an assist. 

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True.

Was meant to mean "without relying solely on the goals scored (by strikers) and the relative points that only they earnt" /mlgmode.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 03/03/2024 at 14:09, The Kraken said:

Halcyon days those, and it was much earlier than the late 90s, I remember doing Telegraph FF in 1993/94 season. Buying the paper on a Monday to find out how you’d got on over the weekend, kids today with online minute to minute points updates don’t know they’re born.

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I think I only ever did the cricket - we had five of us playing and the winner at the end of the season got a bottle of Bollinger from the other four.

Think I've still got one in the cupboard

If I remember correctly, I think substitutions needed to be sent by post???

[The Kraken]

  On 03/03/2024 at 14:23, Weston Super Saint said:

I think I only ever did the cricket - we had five of us playing and the winner at the end of the season got a bottle of Bollinger from the other four.

Think I've still got one in the cupboard

If I remember correctly, I think substitutions needed to be sent by post???

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I think they must have been, yeah! And I can only think that the standings were printed out in full each week. Wouldn’t be able to do that with the amount of people playing these days.

[pimpin4rizeal]

  On 03/03/2024 at 12:14, pingpong said:

Smallbone made a driving run that gave brooks the space to shoot, as well as supplying the cross for Adams goal. He was a key figure, far from peripheral, and helped get the crowd going too. He's a crisp passer of the ball.

He also really wants to play for us. 

We should support him when he plays. I'd be happy with him or aribo playing, it's nice to have two in form players for that position.

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Yeah it was a clever run tbf. 

Saying that though if Brooks doesn’t do the hard part of cutting in and scoring with a great strike no one would give a shit about smallbones pass here .. he’s just played a fairly streight forward pass to brooks  and followed it with a run ..

surely this wouldn’t be counted as a big chance created ?

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 03/03/2024 at 11:53, Fabrice29 said:

Would obviously point out that not only does Smallbone give Brooks the ball yesterday to register the assist, he also deliberately makes a run to take away the defender in the space Brooks moves into shoot. Not sure if thats me using my eyes or being hipster though.

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Other players were also making runs. 
 

Smallbone had a good game. But he wasn’t alone.

[Saint_clark]

  On 02/03/2024 at 23:42, Whitey Grandad said:

These numbers were invented solely for the betting industry. They have no reflection on the game or how it should be played. FIFA didn’t start keeping any records officially until 1996.

You Americans might not realise that the game began way back in the 19th century. It was doing all right without all this drivel for well over a hundred years. 
 

You can’t analyse football. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_(association_football)

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Assists weren't invented for the betting industry FFS, you couldn't even bet on assists until online gambling became a thing and even then only in the last 5 years or so when they rapidly expanded their markets. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 03/03/2024 at 16:12, Saint_clark said:

Assists weren't invented for the betting industry FFS, you couldn't even bet on assists until online gambling became a thing and even then only in the last 5 years or so when they rapidly expanded their markets. 

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You are only thinking of your own experiences here in the UK.

It’s not just assists, it’s all the other random figures. The betting was in the Far East and that goes back a long way.

[Badger]

  On 03/03/2024 at 11:53, Fabrice29 said:

Would obviously point out that not only does Smallbone give Brooks the ball yesterday to register the assist, he also deliberately makes a run to take away the defender in the space Brooks moves into shoot. Not sure if thats me using my eyes or being hipster though.

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Players making dummy or decoy runs whatever they are called  now, seldom get the recognition for this. For one thing it might be difficult for the analysts to ‘measure’ or record it as opposed to factually who passed the last ball to the scorer.

So from yesterday, Smallbone has his straightforward pass registered as an assist, but his subsequent play in making space for Brooks - probably more significant in the goal - goes unnoticed.

Tends to support the question over the reliability of such stats, in my view.

Or perhaps he deserves two ‘assists’. 

[redkeith]

I can remember a great Steve Williams goal against Norwich at the Dell. 

Keegan passed it square to Williams on the half way line. Williams then slalomed past 5 or 6 of the Norwich team before curling it round the keeper from the inside left position.  

Keegan joked about it the paper afterwards that, in America that would have been an assist. 

Personally,  I quite like assists,  but it is not always a pass that is important, a good diversionary run could be more important.  

 

[VectisSaint]

Always thought 'assists' were originally a thing in ice hockey, long before they were ever a thing in association football. 

[lambtiss]

I thought I'd join this thread to read about Joe Aribo. Silly me

[skintsaint]

Loved Dowie's important assist in MLT's goal v Newcastle in 1993.

[Saint_clark]

Nobody is suggesting that getting a couple of assists makes you a creative genius. 

 

But consistently getting assists throughout the season, ending up in double figures and especially getting 15-20 or more clearly does evidence that a player is good at creating chances. It's not a meaningless stat when taken in context of a whole season compared to other players. 

[Mr X]

Must admit Aribo came across as a complete carthorse the times id seen him previously, howoever he has shown more work rate and ball control in these last few games and has done well. 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Was excellent when he came on yesterday. All around me in the stadium were saying so. Great to see. 

[Dark Munster]

  On 10/03/2024 at 14:00, Mr X said:

Must admit Aribo came across as a complete carthorse the times id seen him previously, howoever he has shown more work rate and ball control in these last few games and has done well. 

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Actually he's been very good for quite a while now, not just recently. I think it's been since he shaved his hair off. Coincidence?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

I'd seen him a fair amount for Rangers. Whatever happened when he joined here, he regressed quite a bit. Martin and the staff have managed to help him turn that round, and he's actually looking better than I remember him.

We've had a few players who have struggled a lot with form for whatever reason, such as Stu. Martin's environment seems to have a positive effect. I can't imagine everyone in any dressing room is happy all the time. But he's made sure that players have ben brought in gradually with minutes and developed. There have been odd exceptions. Rothwell, goals aside which is no minor thing, probably suffers from being thrown in a bit. But generally, he seems to have kept a fair number of players on board. Quite a far cry from seperate dressing rooms and the cliques of last season.

[rooney]

Joe must be our most improved player this season.

[JRM]

  On 11/03/2024 at 07:29, rooney said:

Joe must be our most improved player this season.

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Yeah he was awful last season and had given up hope on him coming good, he's an important player for us now and offers a lot. 

Rangers fans really liked him , maybe just took him time to adjust.