Northam atmosphere

[gio1saints]

Never felt so much hate and anger directed at our own players and manager by our own fans as last match. Felt like I was surrounded by Pompey fans. 
 

I come to support the team and especially when it’s bad times and especially when we are playing bad. That’s when they need my support as obviously they are fucking it up on the pitch. 
 

instead, I’m surrounded by wise guy big mouths giving a constant negative commentary shouted out into my ears on every facet of the match. 
 

If I turn around and have a word - like I appreciate you think saints are shut but can you just leave out the nonstop abuse all match and try, you know, support your team. You are not helping and making it worse in fact….how do you think it will go? 
 

ive asked SFC if I can be moved but I’d rather the non supporting “ fans” GTF out my block and buy tickets in away end where they will feel right at home and surrounded by fellow believers. 

[The Kraken]

25 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

ive asked SFC if I can be moved but I’d rather the non supporting “ fans” GTF out my block and buy tickets in away end where they will feel right at home and surrounded by fellow believers. 

It’s not your block.

But if you’ve had enough it sounds like you need to get up the Chapel end and get yourself amongst the singing group that @ImproveOurAtmosphere has got going on; sounds like those lads are making a big positive change in getting the Chapel kop up and running.

[gio1saints]

Thank you for the tip. You are correct about it’s not my block. What I intended was get out of the home supporters end but it got shortened. Your point taken of course. 
 

Still bemused after five games I’ve attended at this new thing - of shouting abuse at your own players from our attacking corners and when we are in possession generally. Never really known or experienced that before. Apart from when away fans do it of course. ( or home if saints are the away team). Seems to be a new cool thing to slag off your team loudly during play. Cunts. 

[S-Clarke]

There was quite a vociferous 'manager out' chant where I was in the Kingsland, only one person mind, but the funny thing is that the chant was ''Martins out, Martins out'' - no one bothered to correct him, leave him to his own little world.

Quite funny if you're that passionate against someone, you should at least know what they're called.

[Nordic Saint]

43 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Never felt so much hate and anger directed at our own players and manager by our own fans as last match. Felt like I was surrounded by Pompey fans. 
 

I come to support the team and especially when it’s bad times and especially when we are playing bad. That’s when they need my support as obviously they are fucking it up on the pitch. 
 

instead, I’m surrounded by wise guy big mouths giving a constant negative commentary shouted out into my ears on every facet of the match. 
 

If I turn around and have a word - like I appreciate you think saints are shut but can you just leave out the nonstop abuse all match and try, you know, support your team. You are not helping and making it worse in fact….how do you think it will go? 
 

ive asked SFC if I can be moved but I’d rather the non supporting “ fans” GTF out my block and buy tickets in away end where they will feel right at home and surrounded by fellow believers. 

It's the away end. What do you expect? You should move into the Chapel with the home fans.

[AlexLaw76]

44 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Never felt so much hate and anger directed at our own players and manager by our own fans as last match. Felt like I was surrounded by Pompey fans. 
 

I come to support the team and especially when it’s bad times and especially when we are playing bad. That’s when they need my support as obviously they are fucking it up on the pitch. 
 

instead, I’m surrounded by wise guy big mouths giving a constant negative commentary shouted out into my ears on every facet of the match. 
 

If I turn around and have a word - like I appreciate you think saints are shut but can you just leave out the nonstop abuse all match and try, you know, support your team. You are not helping and making it worse in fact….how do you think it will go? 
 

ive asked SFC if I can be moved but I’d rather the non supporting “ fans” GTF out my block and buy tickets in away end where they will feel right at home and surrounded by fellow believers. 

This is proper football mate, with proper fans. Not your premier league tourists.

Ipswich might be worse, it is as low as £15 a ticket.

[Ken Tone]

You need to come and sit with us old codgers in the Kingsland. We've seen it all before. 

Besides, shouting abuse at our own players might risk spilling my thermos flask.  😉

 

[Block41 Saint]

The atmosphere these days is a result of us being awful at home since about 2017. Any positivity was gone within 18 or so seconds on Friday night and it was a case of "here we fucking go again". 

[Miltonaggro]

18 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

There was quite a vociferous 'manager out' chant where I was in the Kingsland, only one person mind, but the funny thing is that the chant was ''Martins out, Martins out'' - no one bothered to correct him, leave him to his own little world.

Quite funny if you're that passionate against someone, you should at least know what they're called.

Jason Wilcox needs to rein it in a bit! 

Edited 17 September, 2023 by Miltonaggro

[Sunglasses Ron]

Sounds pretty much like this forum on match days! 😃

[gio1saints]

22 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

It's the away end. What do you expect? You should move into the Chapel with the home fans.

Ermm. What do I expect? I expect that I’m with fellow Saints supporters as I’m a ST in Northam block xx. As far as I’m aware that’s supposedly Saints only. Apart from this phenomenon of “ fans” getting a ST or match ticket then going to the match to slag your own players Manager and club loudly and constantly all match. 

[Pamplemousse]

The atmosphere was fine against Norwich and QPR.

Not conceding after 20 seconds helps.

[gio1saints]

I’d say that’s true not it’s not full reason.
If you supported saints long enough you will realise that we are never far away from a shocking performance or string of them. Has that stopped you supporting? Or has it turned you into a cynical perpetual moaner? The kind of entitled match day ticket holder guy that makes constant nasty disparaging abusive comments surrounded by sniggering buddies out loud in block 41 towards your own players manager and club?

It’s a choice. Support the team in good times or bad or just don’t come and make the atmosphere so toxic it’s a horrendous experience for all. 
 

Maybe RM is wrong, maybe xyz players are shit and abc players lazy and dug players crap and so on and on. Maybe so but if the match is that distressing why not stay in the pub and drink it off? Save the money you “ waste” on your ticket for self medicating pints. 

[SotonianWill]

Had people in the IN going round telling people to stop chanting 😂😂

[ImproveOurAtmosphere]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

It’s not your block.

But if you’ve had enough it sounds like you need to get up the Chapel end and get yourself amongst the singing group that @ImproveOurAtmosphere has got going on; sounds like those lads are making a big positive change in getting the Chapel kop up and running.

Cheers Kraken.

Block 15 is the place to be. We don’t slag of our own players/ manager, despite how much we’d all love to some times. 

[ImproveOurAtmosphere]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

I come to support the team and especially when it’s bad times and especially when we are playing bad. That’s when they need my support as obviously they are fucking it up on the pitch. 

Honestly sounds like you’d fit in with us in 15. There Aren’t many of us yet but those who are there back the team in a positive way. ‘Unlucky lad head up’ rather than ‘you’re f*%king shit’. 
 

sounds like your kind of place 👍

[JRM]

2 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

The atmosphere was fine against Norwich and QPR.

Not conceding after 20 seconds helps.

Exactly, got to remember most of these fans have sat through shite performances at St Mary's game after game in the last few years, patience is limited as Martin and this group of players have yet to earn much goodwill. 

I remember fans singing "sacked in the morning" to Ralph and "Nathan Jones your football is shit" , a couple more games like Sunderland and Leicester and Martin will be given the same treatment 

[gio1saints]

I understand all the frustration anger and vitriol. I just don’t like it and wish they wouldn’t. 
You don’t need qualifications in pyschology to work out what the impact of your own fans abusing you ( say, when you’re about to take a corner ) or when you’ve tried to take a man on and failed will ultimately be. 

Yes they get paid to deal with it but, honestly, instead of being the twelfth man we are actually cutting their legs from under them with this approach. 

When we were year on year a very average team but had a small but close stadium called the Dell it used to be intimidating for opposition teams. Now we may as well go play all our matches away for all the benefit playing at home and the “ home support” effect has on games. The non stop hostility is ridiculous. I’ve only gone to one away game this year ( Gillingham) yet even that had better supporting atmosphere than SMS give - especially from the apparently super fans of the Northam. I’m confident our away support are the true super fans. And that those in Northam whose only aim on match day appears to be constantly mouthing off how bad we are and repeating blindly ignorant tone deaf views are not. 
 

 

[Maggie May]

5 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

There was quite a vociferous 'manager out' chant where I was in the Kingsland, only one person mind, but the funny thing is that the chant was ''Martins out, Martins out'' - no one bothered to correct him, leave him to his own little world.

Quite funny if you're that passionate against someone, you should at least know what they're called.

I bet he used to say Nigel Atkins as well.

[Chris cooper]

5 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I’d say that’s true not it’s not full reason.
If you supported saints long enough you will realise that we are never far away from a shocking performance or string of them. Has that stopped you supporting? Or has it turned you into a cynical perpetual moaner? The kind of entitled match day ticket holder guy that makes constant nasty disparaging abusive comments surrounded by sniggering buddies out loud in block 41 towards your own players manager and club?

It’s a choice. Support the team in good times or bad or just don’t come and make the atmosphere so toxic it’s a horrendous experience for all. 
 

Maybe RM is wrong, maybe xyz players are shit and abc players lazy and dug players crap and so on and on. Maybe so but if the match is that distressing why not stay in the pub and drink it off? Save the money you “ waste” on your ticket for self medicating pints. 

This is our support now home and away 👆🏻… if you don’t like it in the blazing cauldron of hate in the northam 😅🤓go sit up itchen south ..with the leave on 20 minutes to go crew ! 

[gio1saints]

Chris, don’t you find it a little contradictory to call this kind of red fan on red player abuse “ support”? 
 

It’s not really supporting the team or the player is it, let’s be honest. It’s something else. A chance to let off steam and get relief from all the big stresses of modern living with a £32 ticket to the shouting therapy that is coming to SMS. 

Criticism of our team is totally justified. But we are way beyond that now with what I’ve already seen heard experienced this season.  Just Six games in. It’s just plain nasty and senseless. 

Edited 17 September, 2023 by gio1saints

[Ted Bates Statue]

7 hours ago, ImproveOurAtmosphere said:

Cheers Kraken.

Block 15 is the place to be. We don’t slag of our own players/ manager, despite how much we’d all love to some times. 

Listening to the radio commentary, I found it notable that there was still an audible group singing at the end of the match. I must admit that on past experience, I might well have slinked out after their fourth, but the support was encouraging to hear. I guessed it might have had something to do with you, but any notion of it coming from the Northam has since been dispelled by this thread. I definitely attend with the view to letting off steam but if we do concede a goal, I would prefer to belt out OWTS rather than berate our players. The encouragement is needed most when they're down.

I've been in the Chapel end once and told myself, "Never again", but next time I'm there for a game, I hope to join yourselves at the back of Block 15 or 16.

[Turkish]

11 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Never felt so much hate and anger directed at our own players and manager by our own fans as last match. Felt like I was surrounded by Pompey fans. 
 

I come to support the team and especially when it’s bad times and especially when we are playing bad. That’s when they need my support as obviously they are fucking it up on the pitch. 
 

instead, I’m surrounded by wise guy big mouths giving a constant negative commentary shouted out into my ears on every facet of the match. 
 

If I turn around and have a word - like I appreciate you think saints are shut but can you just leave out the nonstop abuse all match and try, you know, support your team. You are not helping and making it worse in fact….how do you think it will go? 
 

ive asked SFC if I can be moved but I’d rather the non supporting “ fans” GTF out my block and buy tickets in away end where they will feel right at home and surrounded by fellow believers. 

What do you expect? We’ve been served up 4-1 at home by a pretty average team. There hasn’t been much to cheer about for years. We’ve got quite possible the worst home record over the last 5 years of any professional team in Europe. People are playing a lot of cash and we’ve been utter shit for years. Personally I’d rather our fans get more into the team than they are. If you’re happy to clap the lads off that constantly serves up shit then you’re not a supporter youre a consumer that will carry on buying the product however shit it is. 

[ImproveOurAtmosphere]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

What do you expect? We’ve been served up 4-1 at home by a pretty average team. There hasn’t been much to cheer about for years. We’ve got quite possible the worst home record over the last 5 years of any professional team in Europe. People are playing a lot of cash and we’ve been utter shit for years. Personally I’d rather our fans get more into the team than they are. If you’re happy to clap the lads off that constantly serves up shit then you’re not a supporter youre a consumer that will carry on buying the product however shit it is. 

Have to disagree. I'm not a consumer. I'm a supporter. Got my first season ticket for years this year, having had one for years. We've lost once at home and once away, horrifically. Yes it's a shame and we all want better.

But as per the OP's comments, I'd rather we stood in silence when things are going badly than literally abuse the players because we've had too many dark fruits.

Clapping the players off isn't a sign of being a consumer; rather a SUPPORTER who wants best for the club. If you've had a bad day at the office, would you rather your wife have a go at you, or support you and move forward?

A positive atmosphere doesn't make too much difference in this day and age - but is still worth a couple of points a season.

Up the saints and onto Tuesday.

[ImproveOurAtmosphere]

3 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Listening to the radio commentary, I found it notable that there was still an audible group singing at the end of the match. I must admit that on past experience, I might well have slinked out after their fourth, but the support was encouraging to hear. I guessed it might have had something to do with you, but any notion of it coming from the Northam has since been dispelled by this thread. I definitely attend with the view to letting off steam but if we do concede a goal, I would prefer to belt out OWTS rather than berate our players. The encouragement is needed most when they're down.

I've been in the Chapel end once and told myself, "Never again", but next time I'm there for a game, I hope to join yourselves at the back of Block 15 or 16.

Love your attitude. You'll be most welcome. UTS.

[Turkish]

27 minutes ago, ImproveOurAtmosphere said:

Have to disagree. I'm not a consumer. I'm a supporter. Got my first season ticket for years this year, having had one for years. We've lost once at home and once away, horrifically. Yes it's a shame and we all want better.

But as per the OP's comments, I'd rather we stood in silence when things are going badly than literally abuse the players because we've had too many dark fruits.

Clapping the players off isn't a sign of being a consumer; rather a SUPPORTER who wants best for the club. If you've had a bad day at the office, would you rather your wife have a go at you, or support you and move forward?

A positive atmosphere doesn't make too much difference in this day and age - but is still worth a couple of points a season.

Up the saints and onto Tuesday.

If my performance at work has been shit I’d expect a crap appraisal. I wouldn’t expect to be told everything is great thanks for your efforts. I work is results driven job too. Working hard and turning up is the minimum expectation, I don’t expect a pat on the back from my customers and employer just because I turn up each day, you have to deliver, if you don’t then you lose the customer, lose customers then don’t last in the job.

we are such a soft fan base, our home record is so bad it’s beggars belief but what beggars belief even more is that some of you are not only accepting it but seem to be oblivious to it. 
 

im all for positivity and support, getting behind the team etc but honestly if anyone is happy to clap them off after an abject result against a team we believe we should be competing with at the top Of the table that isn’t support its cult like delusion 

Edited 17 September, 2023 by Turkish

[ImproveOurAtmosphere]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

If my performance at work has been shit I’d expect a crap appraisal. I wouldn’t expect to be told everything is great thanks for your efforts. I work is results driven job too. Working hard and turning up is the minimum expectation, I don’t expect a pat on the back from my customers and employer just because I turn up each day, you have to deliver, if you don’t then you lose the customer, lose customers then don’t last in the job.

we are such a soft fan base, our home record is so bad it’s beggars belief but what beggars belief even more is that some of you are not only accepting it but seem to be oblivious to it. 
 

im all for positivity and support, getting behind the team etc but honestly if anyone is happy to clap them off after an abject against a team we believe we should be competing with at the top Of the table that isn’t support us delusion 

Fair enough. But this is football, not work (the analogy aside). As fans surely we get more out of it that the 90 minutes. The least we could do is support them when things are great (not so much the last few years), but remain passive when things aren't going our way. Berating the players just makes things worse in my opinion. I get it;s frustrating.

Happy to agree to disagree. I don't demand people to support the team as I do. But at the same, I don't wish to be called a consumer for supporting the team the way I do.

Onto Tuesday. Hope we turn it around and get a win against a very good side. Can't say I'm hopeful but oh well. Who else are we going to SUPPORT?

Up the Saints. 

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, ImproveOurAtmosphere said:

Fair enough. But this is football, not work (the analogy aside). As fans surely we get more out of it that the 90 minutes. The least we could do is support them when things are great (not so much the last few years), but remain passive when things aren't going our way. Berating the players just makes things worse in my opinion. I get it;s frustrating.

Happy to agree to disagree. I don't demand people to support the team as I do. But at the same, I don't wish to be called a consumer for supporting the team the way I do.

Onto Tuesday. Hope we turn it around and get a win against a very good side. Can't say I'm hopeful but oh well. Who else are we going to SUPPORT?

Up the Saints. 

I absolutely admire what you are trying to do, fantastic. Keep up the good work. But really I’m surprised that anyone is surprised that fans are expressing their unhappiness. We’ve been crap for years, this year was meant to be a reset, get rid of the old in with the new and maybe win more than we lose for once. Yet our poor home form appears to be carrying on.

I would love nothing more than for our stadium to be full of passion, fans roaring the team on but unfortunately it seems the crap served up together with the general decline in atmosphere at football in this country means we are not alone in being more like a theatre than a football ground these days 

[ImproveOurAtmosphere]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I absolutely admire what you are trying to do, fantastic. Keep up the good work. But really I’m surprised that anyone is surprised that fans are expressing their unhappiness. We’ve been crap for years, this year was meant to be a reset, get rid of the old in with the new and maybe win more than we lose for once. Yet our poor home form appears to be carrying on.

I would love nothing more than for our stadium to be full of passion, fans roaring the team on but unfortunately it seems the crap served up together with the general decline in atmosphere at football in this country means we are not alone in being more like a theatre than a football ground these days 

Thanks for your kind words, genuinely. And I completely get your your frustration. We are all hurting after the last two results.

Let's hope things improve sharpish. We all want the same thing and I respect anyone who turns up - even if we have different views on how we get behind the team. 

3 points Tuesday. No exceptions but it will be a difficult pill to swallow if the inevitable happens. Hope I'm wrong.

[gio1saints]

Thanks for your summary Turkish. You’ve stated the harsh reality of life today as applied to football supporters but youve somewhat missed my point. Please allow me to clarify.
 

Just to be clear, Im not advocating for clapping the players off after a bad match/ performance. Neither am I advocating no booing at full time either nor justified criticism of the team in general. 
 

What I advocate is that, to use a hypothetical example if Edozie ( but insert any Saints player ) Tuesday, gets the ball but fails to do a wonder dribble / pass/run/goal /tackle then its disgraceful for someone calling themselves a “ supporter” aka some nauseous cunts around me, to start shouting/ wailing that he’s a fucking useless overpaid donkey waste of space disgrace to the shirt etc etc. constantly, all match, and then only shuts up if Ed, say in this example, then does something good.
 

The “ supporters” that I’ve been exposed to latterly however remain on a trigger almost willing the next mistake in order to fuel the hate. In pyschology there is such a thing as manifesting - you focus so much on for instance fucking up that hey presto you fuck up. Some of our “supporters” at SMS are doing a great job of proving that theory. 

Thats what I find appalling in some of the so called “ supporters” I find myself surrounded with in Northam. 

I believe the support is part of the team. Not there to give instant judgement on every play but to encourage wherever possible. And to resist the downward spiral effect. 
 

 When the players are doing bad and the tactics are not working yes we identify and make changes - but the supporters cannot kick the ball during the match so our loyalty to SFC means we give or we withdraw support because anything else just makes it worse.

If we fail play bad etc then do not applaud, do not sing do not cheer express your total displeasure in full at full time - but, as an example, the relentless singling out of players during the match in particular during play is a nasty path that we are on at SMS. 

Those who know me from SF days know I’m not a happy flappy clapping consumer.

It’s not a binary choice - consumer/ happy flappy or moaning hater. There is a better way 
 

 We don’t have to be like that at SMS regardless of whether that’s the way it is in society today.I argue our mood can be a choice.  To encourage or not to encourage simple as that. 
 

Perhaps all we can do is give example - but for the kids and younger adults in Northam what kind of example are they getting. Where’s the love of the shirt eh? 

 

Edited 18 September, 2023 by gio1saints

[Miltonaggro]

9 hours ago, Turkish said:

I absolutely admire what you are trying to do, fantastic. Keep up the good work. But really I’m surprised that anyone is surprised that fans are expressing their unhappiness. We’ve been crap for years, this year was meant to be a reset, get rid of the old in with the new and maybe win more than we lose for once. Yet our poor home form appears to be carrying on.

I would love nothing more than for our stadium to be full of passion, fans roaring the team on but unfortunately it seems the crap served up together with the general decline in atmosphere at football in this country means we are not alone in being more like a theatre than a football ground these days 

When we went down I posted that Sport Republic needed to avoid trying to ‘think outside the box’ in the championship. There is an existing template. Bring in a manager who can galvanise support and focus on power and experience through the spine of the team. Don’t overthink, Luton got promoted from this league FFS! Essentially replicate what Leibherr and Cortese did via Pardew and Adkins the last time we hit the buffers. Build confidence in the punch-drunk fanbase and actually get back to the prem before trying to revolutionise it. Most of the traditional fanbase seemed to want this in one form or another. Instead, it seems that the Board are pushing a version of what we saw last year, and the fanbase is currently seeing what they are not. The atmosphere at St Mary’s was pretty decent v Norwich and QPR compared to recent seasons, but it’s apparent to the watching public that there are more problems than players ‘getting used to the system’. I like Martin, he seems a good man, but he was a punt after Maresca turned us down. Unless things resolve relatively quickly it feels like the atmosphere is going to get toxic much quicker than it did last season.

[Long Shot]

I think a lot of the problems can be put down to expectation and frustration. Winning just 2 League matches in over a year is a ridiculous stat. In that same period of time we have had 4 managers, another ridiculous stat. We have had poor leadership. Semmens moaning about his weekends being taken up with football, telling us we exist to sell etc etc. The fans are treated abysmally by owners who are in it for themselves and their bank balance. The only way the fans can show their displeasure is by doing all the things you find unpalatable. It’s very hard to be anything but negative at present even if that makes for an unpleasant atmosphere. Walking to the match last Friday I thought to myself “what am I doing, I’m not looking forward to the next two hours and I don’t really want to be there”. I nearly went back to the pub. 2 hours later I wish I had listened to myself. It’s not just Saints either it’s football in general. It’s quite literally eating itself. I never boo players (unless they aren’t trying) but I do admit to slagging players occasionally if it’s deserved. I swore at Armstrong last Friday after that pathetic attempted shot I must admit. But that’s football. By and large Saints fans are pretty good I find. Maybe it’s just your immediate area? 
Just my random thoughts really. 

[saintoaks]

23 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Never felt so much hate and anger directed at our own players and manager by our own fans as last match. Felt like I was surrounded by Pompey fans. 
 

I come to support the team and especially when it’s bad times and especially when we are playing bad. That’s when they need my support as obviously they are fucking it up on the pitch. 
 

instead, I’m surrounded by wise guy big mouths giving a constant negative commentary shouted out into my ears on every facet of the match. 
 

If I turn around and have a word - like I appreciate you think saints are shut but can you just leave out the nonstop abuse all match and try, you know, support your team. You are not helping and making it worse in fact….how do you think it will go? 
 

ive asked SFC if I can be moved but I’d rather the non supporting “ fans” GTF out my block and buy tickets in away end where they will feel right at home and surrounded by fellow believers. 

Don't know where you are in the Northam but from where i sit, there is good support for the team but also massive fustration when witnessing that crap the other night. Even when we went 2-1 down there was still encouragement but when we let that pathetic goal in just before HT that sort of turned the atmosphere sour. I'd also like to point out the atmosphere in the first two games of the season in the northam has been really good. I get your point but we should be doing a dam sight better and fustrations are going to boil over. Also, the attendences will start to drop (Starting with Ipswich) if we dont start producing again. 

[gio1saints]

I do admit to slagging players occasionally if it’s deserved. I swore at Armstrong last Friday after that pathetic attempted shot I must admit. But that’s football. By and large Saints fans are pretty good I find. Maybe it’s just your immediate area? 
Just my random thoughts really. 
 

as did I when he missed that ( easy) chance. 😎. Perhaps I’m too idealistic in believing that  If the players can’t or won’t do it then me as a supporter I step up my support even more. 
In fact if I think back at my Saints supporting history it appears that it’s been the bad times that have galvanised my support more than the good. 

I was at Portman road when Alan Brazil scored 4(?) against us one evening many moons back and got ejected from the away end for my troubles but I never turned on my team. I’m stilll here many de ades later and if tomorrow we get a similar result I won’t slag off players during the match though I will write a stiff letter to SR (😂) about it.
 

[Saint_Jonny]

It's the partisan twitter facebook instant satisfaction from pornhub generation mate . Patience is gone. Thing of the past. Only thing that matters these days is results and instant impact. The average bloke in block 39-43 looks like they just fell through a time machine from 8000 years ago, that doesn't help either. Give this lot 5 years of absolutely unacceptably shit home performances and you know what, I don't blame them for behaving the way they do and I am not surprised.

Like you though I am totally bored of it. Few games in and I am already kicking myself for renewing, like I do every year. Idiot.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Giving your own players clog is part and parcel of football, & has gone on for years & years. If they don’t want to be getting stick, fucking play better.
 

 

[Saints-1994]

The problem with this club is standards have dropped, referenced by players last year. Since 2017 we've had one of the worst home records in Europe, except a period during lockdown when fans couldn't attend (i worked it out last year and it was 31 wins in 6 years, or very close to). I actually think the atmosphere start of last season and this year were good - they now need to show something back as we haven't had a decent (comfortable) home performance since Brentford when SR took over. I don't begrudge fans getting frustrated. 

Results business, as the board are about to find out with empty seats tomorrow. Not entitled enough to think we deserve wins, but I expect if we do lose, it's not a battering, not with our squad in this league. .

[gio1saints]

Interesting how many times RM referenced the negative energy our crowd emitted in his press conference. How some players on the bench wanted to turn around and respond to someone shouting the usual stuff behind dugout. I wonder how that 17 year old wonder kid of ours feels about it knowing that when he comes on if he misses a pass then he too is a useless fucking waste of space disgrace to the shit overpaid cu t. I bet it makes him want to die for the shirt, I really do. Best thing for him, man up and take the punishment.
Except that kind of Victorian era personal development approach has long been discredited and in fact I simply breeding the societal losers, bullies, abusers and prison population of the future. 
 

There really are no excuses for it unless being a cunt is a valid excuse. 

Edited 18 September, 2023 by gio1saints

[LGTL]

14 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Interesting how many times RM referenced the negative energy our crowd emitted in his press conference. How some players on the bench wanted to turn around and respond to someone shouting the usual stuff behind dugout. I wonder how that 17 year old wonder kid of ours feels about it knowing that when he comes on if he misses a pass then he too is a useless fucking waste of space disgrace to the shit overpaid cu t. I bet it makes him want to die for the shirt, I really do. Best thing for him, man up and take the punishment.
Except that kind of Victorian era personal development approach has long been discredited and in fact I simply breeding the societal losers, bullies, abusers and prison population of the future. 
 

There really are no excuses for it unless being a cunt is a valid excuse. 

If Russell Martin can’t work out why our home crowd are emitting ‘negative energy’ then he’s more fucking thick then I thought. 

Edited 18 September, 2023 by LGTL

[Sarisbury Saint]

On 17/09/2023 at 11:49, gio1saints said:

Ermm. What do I expect? I expect that I’m with fellow Saints supporters as I’m a ST in Northam block xx. As far as I’m aware that’s supposedly Saints only. Apart from this phenomenon of “ fans” getting a ST or match ticket then going to the match to slag your own players Manager and club loudly and constantly all match. 

 

We all spend good money and they make good money, so I want to see them all give 100%. Then maybe fans would get behind them more wether we win lose or draw.

There are two many not putting a shift in at the moment,

[Sarisbury Saint]

7 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I do admit to slagging players occasionally if it’s deserved. I swore at Armstrong last Friday after that pathetic attempted shot I must admit. But that’s football. By and large Saints fans are pretty good I find. Maybe it’s just your immediate area? 
Just my random thoughts really. 
 

as did I when he missed that ( easy) chance. 😎. Perhaps I’m too idealistic in believing that  If the players can’t or won’t do it then me as a supporter I step up my support even more. 
In fact if I think back at my Saints supporting history it appears that it’s been the bad times that have galvanised my support more than the good. 

I was at Portman road when Alan Brazil scored 4(?) against us one evening many moons back and got ejected from the away end for my troubles but I never turned on my team. I’m stilll here many de ades later and if tomorrow we get a similar result I won’t slag off players during the match though I will write a stiff letter to SR (😂) about it.
 

Wow, what a contradictory post.

[suewhistle]

I might swear at this computer, or the slugs in my vegetable patch but I'd never swear at another person. I do allow myself a "oh for goodness sake, Armstrong!", other examples may apply.. I can't help the deep sighs and groans that have been so common recently, but do try and cheer decent play, and think many fans understand that's a better approach if you want to improve performances. Nobody is going to risk a defence splitting pass forward if they think they are going to be vilified if it goes wrong. In any sport tenseness impacts your performance.

It wasn't just a question of lack of effort or organisation on Friday, although that was there to a degree, but some hospital passes gave them two goals, and the opening was horrific and fascinating in it's inexorable inevitability. There's no point trying to draw the opposition players forward if we're so awful at breaking the press. I don't want to see hoof ball but at the moment it's 'after you, Claude'..

I don't mind flukey wins, I'll even take a bounce off of Adam's knee at the moment; his left knee of course, to make it even more unlikely.

[JRM]

2 hours ago, LGTL said:

If Russell Martin can’t work out why our home crowd are emitting ‘negative energy’ then he’s more fucking thick then I thought. 

You need to channel your inner Buddist , if the fans are good to Martin then good things will happen to us. If you bring your negative energy with you then don't be surprised when negative things happen. 

[gio1saints]

2 hours ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

Wow, what a contradictory post.

Yep you got me. The difference is I swore out loud, once, - in fact I said FFS- and that was it. I did not then consider AA the antichrist and consider him a tosser out loud constantly  rest of game. There’s a difference. 
 

It’s not binary. I do not think you have to be sheep or consumers at SMS but I also don’t think just going along with a negative agenda is the right thing either. Silence is consent in those kind of situations. You know we all know it.
All it takes is good people to shut TFU when those “ supporters” get their kicks out of abusing our players all match for it to become “ normalised”. It’s not good it’s not clever and I go further and say it’s not how a real saints fan should behave. 

[whelk]

On 17/09/2023 at 11:46, Sunglasses Ron said:

Sounds pretty much like this forum on match days! 😃

I would really appreciate if someone would read out loud the posts in the match thread, record them and post the audio. Bit like Adam Buxton’s BUG.

Did at one point at Leicester game think fuck I bet Saintweb is funny

[Saint_clark]

12 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Interesting how many times RM referenced the negative energy our crowd emitted in his press conference. How some players on the bench wanted to turn around and respond to someone shouting the usual stuff behind dugout. I wonder how that 17 year old wonder kid of ours feels about it knowing that when he comes on if he misses a pass then he too is a useless fucking waste of space disgrace to the shit overpaid cu t. I bet it makes him want to die for the shirt, I really do. Best thing for him, man up and take the punishment.
Except that kind of Victorian era personal development approach has long been discredited and in fact I simply breeding the societal losers, bullies, abusers and prison population of the future. 
 

There really are no excuses for it unless being a cunt is a valid excuse. 

It's reciprocal. As others have said after the better part of a decade having nothing to look forward to at home it's difficult for people to muster the energy to be supportive. It improved a bit and now we've put in two horrendous performances in a row. 

Doesn't help when we concede straight from kick off and continually put ourselves under pressure passing out from goal kicks etc when the opposition are clearly nailing their closing down tactics. 

[rallyboy]

A crowd is easy to manage - give them something to cheer and they will support you.

That's all the players need to do.

[gio1saints]

3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

's reciprocal. As others have said after the better part of a decade having nothing to look forward to at home it's difficult for people to muster the energy to be supportive. It improved a bit and now we've put in two horrendous performances in a

Yup that’s fair. It’s clearly a big factor /reason why it’s seemingly become normalised around where I am in Northam for some individuals to spew a constant stream of vocal abuse, unopposed, at our own players each error or mistake. 
 

what you have described frankly is a fan base suffering from PTSD. 

So, how to reduce it? It will never disappear because, as others have said, it’s been part of the game forever.  And we cannot all get counselling, like talking therapies or take happy pills 
 

Perhaps shift it entirely to the players as per Lord Duckhunter and hope that works?  
 

Blaming someone else for our shortcomings is a staple of society today. Presumably if they don’t play better we keep replacing them and Manager even owners . We don’t need to change or do anything different it’s the players job to do that. We are paying to be entertained and we are not happy with what’s being dished out. Sound familiar? 
 

Except supporting your team is NOT only just consuming an entertainment ticket - much as that’s how it’s been commoditised as per Turkish’s summary-.
 

It is still ( for now..) something participatory and that participation CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE - both ways.

So- How about Saints supporters forgetting the past and just living in the present tonight participating by giving as much  positive energy the full 90 or 100 minutes as they are capable of - but equally exerting a measure of disappointment control if it does not go well? 

By that I mean cut out the negative commentary and personal abuse of our own players. 😇. 

 

 

Edited 19 September, 2023 by gio1saints

[Give it to Ron]

We have seen 2 wins in 21 what really are you expecting? Do you honestly think any other clubs fans would be any better?

[ant]

Inclined to agree with the OP.

If I wanted to spend my afternoon listening to an overweight bloke moan, I'd put on that video of Mitch Le Tiss balls-deep in his missus.