Saints 0-1 Ipswich - Match Thread

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Fucking sick of this bullshit philosophy already and the ridiculously avoidable goals we concede from it. We’re just giving teams goals. Fucking stupid.

When our opponents attack they do so quick and incisively. When we create a powder puff half-chance it takes 20 odd slow ponderous passes in front of a set defence.

Trust the process, courage, bravery oh fuck off you utter wankstain. We cannot afford to ‘bed’ this team into this style. We have a limited window. Besides, this team won’t exist come June next year if we don’t go up.

Fuck off with your vanity project, Russ because that’s what this is. I honestly don’t buy your bullshit sound bites anymore. 
 

VANITY PROJECT. This is all down to two vain knobbers trying to over complicate things to prove how smart they are. 

Why can’t we keep it simple, defend properly, get the ball forward quickly. Why do we always have to try and be clever thinking we’ve reinvented football. 

[trousers]

1 minute ago, sydney_saint said:

- Making AA undroppable to the extent he is now playing in midfield

To be slightly fair, AA's best games have been when he's playing deeper rather than as a striker. 

[obelisk]

Saints are just getting worse with each game. If RM says it's my way or the highway can I suggest someone hands over a map of the M3?

[sydney_saint]

1 minute ago, macca155 said:

That was terrible, football at walking pace won't in this division, or any for that matter.

Aribo simply doesn't run enough and frequently loses the ball.

Ipswich have 2 tall men on against Manning and Frazer.

Not at the races

Genuine question. Does Aribo have any pace, or just relies on strength and good ball control? I don't think I have ever seen him sprint

[Convict Colony]

Ok so spent a bit of time watching our set up.

Wing backs and midfielders not moving anywhere near enough for the CBs to pass to throughout this game which you can tell by this endless recycling, there isnt even any pausa to draw out an ipswich player.  This led to Charles suicidal run when he thought he had a gap and in charles defence i dont think anyone would of played him as a CB tonight before the game, we were all saying put him in as a DM his normal position.

Smallbone is not the answer, put charles there and bederak on.

KWP does not run back fast to get into position, manning does at least.

Aribo having a tidy game.

No real comment on the rest, they exist, not really doing too much.

[Fan The Flames]

It's so fuckin shit being a Saints fan, shit for seasons and then we fuck up our reboot with a manager wedded to shit bollocks tactics.

[Elmore Saint]

This is all on SR for me, I thought it was perilous under Gao/Semmens - but apparently not!

Everything they have touched since they came in (and elsewhere) has turned to shit.

How many managers? How many backroom people coming and going? - just no fucking idea top to bottom.

Sorry Dragan - you need to step in or fuck off too....

[Mr X]

You just know there won't be a change till at least Christmas when it will already be too late! 

[OldNick]

5 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

That's annoying. Literally none of them are working for me now. Worst part is I have skygo with no sky box so I can't get the red button. 

Thanks for that I’ve just put it on, although may curse you later

 

[Dman]

Just now, SNSUN said:

There's a Holgate shaped flaw in this otherwise excellent plan...

Holgate was shit, I agree, but it was 1 game. Based onn the alternative, we have no option but to play him and charles CDM. 

[saintant]

Should be 3-0 if they could finish. They might not be so wasteful in the second half. Bring on Bednarek, move Charles into midfield and let's have a go at them. They are nothing special which makes it even more worrying at how poor we are.

[CanadaSaint]

Shit! My stream has just come back.🤣

[Harry_SFC]

This is just terrible. We can't just write off results on a style that clearly isn't going to work. I can't see Martin changing this set up, so we will just have to put up with mid table mediocrity at best.

[bpsaint]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

It wasn’t blind faith. Most people didn’t want him but he said the right things and made a good start all things considered. 
 

it’s gone to shit though, losing again and lucky not to be 3 down. So easy to play against just giving goals away it’s absolutely pathetic. 

Remember when he was appointed and the club released graphics showing his stats from MK Dons and Swansea, and everyone was like is that meant to impress us!? I’d call for his head but unfortunately I’ve got no faith in us bringing in the required manager to turn the club around. It’ll just be another hipster cunt with a philosophy.

Is it too much to ask for an established manager that just wants to keep it simple and play our best players in their most comfortable positions!?

[James]

The other issue is we’ve sold anyone half capable of winning games in this league (Tella, JWP etc.) irrespective of whatever suicidal tactics Martin is employing. We’re now left with a pretty average group of players playing utterly ridiculous tactics. Seems we’ve also fallen for the Che Adams trick of convincing us he’s half decent whilst the transfer window is open before reverting to being anonymous as soon as it closes. 

[Saint86]

We've got our cdm at CB, a lightweight cm as cdm, and an attacking midfield ex cage footballer as CM... Our best on the books CB is on loan at psv for peanuts and we keep getting done through the same suicidal play at the back or counter attacks... Its an epic shit show. Just look at SMS, what should be a top of the table clash and there are huge areas of empty seats, and if you can't hear a pin drop it's because of the jeering and boos. We've gone down and gone straight back to a struggling champ team already. Sports republic have absolutely gutted our club. 

Edited 19 September, 2023 by Saint86

[S-Clarke]

It's all very static today, incredibly easy to defend against. We look like your typical mid-table Championship team, this isn't a competitive promotion team in any way on this showing.

We're becoming Swansea/Stoke and drifting into Championship nothingness, which is the most depressing existence any football fan can have.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

To be slightly fair, AA's best games have been when he's playing deeper rather than as a striker. 

Agreed - he's probably not the one to pin the blame on tbf. It does leave us really unbalanced though. If we play AA there, we have to play Charles and Downes behind him. 

I still think Alcaraz is a better option in the 10 than AA. 

[Lone ranger]

5 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

Its on nowTV for anyone who has it -  right at the bottom - I almost missed it !

Thanks. I did miss it and paid 10 quid for a saints sports pass. Bad move. 

[Crab Lungs]

Love the relay music. Should play it during the game.

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

How’s the holiday going? You’ve not been providing enough updates for my liking 

Been too busy enjoying myself! Having fallen in love with the place, defo a destination I'll be returning to. 

živjeli!

 

[Yorkshire Saint]

Regardless of the result I cant square:

Adam Armstrong starting

Adam Armstrong as captain

Bazuna starting

Charles at CB if Bednerak is on the bench. 

Aribo starting

Smallbone starting. 

Martins amateur press conference 

But I do know this ain't changing soon... they won't sack Wilcox, Martin and all the crew coming in from Swansea and Man City. As Wilcox said... we need to get used to it.

This has potential to get ugly.

 

[OldNick]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It wasn’t blind faith. Most people didn’t want him but he said the right things and made a good start all things considered. 
 

it’s gone to shit though, losing again and lucky not to be 3 down. So easy to play against just giving goals away it’s absolutely pathetic. 

But there was the overconfidence that we were going to walk it. Wilcox was a genius, he may have been good at selling players but he didn’t build a side that was going to cope with the rigours of this league. He must have been part of the decision makers to get RM. At present it looks like a massive mistake

[Chez]

13 minutes ago, vin said:

Manning just isn’t a defender. Not sure he’s much off a footballer either 

slow fullbacks are just a liability. Slow, short and out of position fullbacks...

There were some much better left back options available this summer IMO. RM's choice. 

[LGTL]

Will Smallbone is fucking shit. Stevie Wonder in charge of our contract negotiations.

[Dman]

I bet all those agents queing up on the phone to get their players in here are starting to hang up. 

Career suicide for anyone to join us atm. 

[macca155]

1 minute ago, sydney_saint said:

Genuine question. Does Aribo have any pace, or just relies on strength and good ball control? I don't think I have ever seen him sprint

Skilfull player in close quarters. Sort who'll conjure something up playing behind the forwards. Absolute luxury though.

[Convict Colony]

Feeling like we need a boufal like run from sulemana at somepoint this game to score

[Saint_clark]

So I just chucked some money at Nowtv for a 24 hours pass...and you all lied. There isn't an option for red button games at all!

Just sat here laughing at myself now. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

There were times we passed more to our own goal than our opponents. Lots of occasions where we didn't even look forward. Now, some were to get Ipswich to stretch. But most weren't. Most were by the numbers passes from players knowing they aren't asked to do more. Very few resulted in any concerted passing move, which was supposed to be Martin's trademark.

Although we end up with plenty of long passes from our midfield, we still like to risk short, riskier passes from the back. We had one that looked very similar to the one that cost us a goal against Sunderland. Twice Charles got caught out. One goal conceded from that. Further up, Aribo tried and failed to take someone on. That was nearly another goal lost. The whole point of the possession is to avoid doing that. Losing it, the way we play, invariably results in an attempt on goal, as we race back or panic.

We're going to have to break Ipswich down second half, which is going to require a heck of a lot more urgency than Martin usually sends them out with.

[Convict Colony]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Been too busy enjoying myself! Having fallen in love with the place, defo a destination I'll be returning to. 

živjeli!

 

Whats your wife drinking, looks interesting.

[badgerx16]

Surely the players know it isn't working.

[VectisSaint]

WE can go on and on about the style, but the fact is that some of our players cannot pass the ball. Everything we bring on ourselves because we are too lackadaisical and inaccurate with our passes. We are also completely ineffective in attack, and have no presence due to the team being a bunch of midgets. 

[Convict Colony]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

So I just chucked some money at Nowtv for a 24 hours pass...and you all lied. There isn't an option for red button games at all!

Just sat here laughing at myself now. 

https://m.soccerstreams100.io/event/eng-2/ipswich-vs-southampton-live-soccer-stats/673535

pick an ifollowHD stream

[Jonnyboy]

Is Steve Bruce available?

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

But there was the overconfidence that we were going to walk it. Wilcox was a genius, he may have been good at selling players but he didn’t build a side that was going to cope with the rigours of this league. He must have been part of the decision makers to get RM. At present it looks like a massive mistake

Sadly it does. I liked him at first but the last two and half games have been beyond shit

[derry]

Playing out slowly from the goalkeeper is suicidal. Players trying to bring opponents towards them then pass is suicidal. Passing without looking is suicidal. Manning always turns back onto his left foot and plays backwards when he receives the ball not facing forward. We are making it easy for opponents. We would be far more effective missing out the midfield and attacking the backline early, If Manning hadn't played backwards then across to Charles who had acres of space and loads of time passing to an attacker instead of missing out the midfield and playing to one of the wingers Ipswich couldn't have scored. The manager is a fucking idiot. What he is trying to do is a nonsense. Sort it or go. It doesn't need a genius just common sense which our genius doesn't seem to have. It is easy to sort the problem just stop the suicidal passing out from the goalkeeper.

[James]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

But there was the overconfidence that we were going to walk it. Wilcox was a genius, he may have been good at selling players but he didn’t build a side that was going to cope with the rigours of this league. He must have been part of the decision makers to get RM. At present it looks like a massive mistake

We tried to be too clever again. Signing players like Holgate and Fraser wreaks of a failed moneyball approach and finding value where others couldn’t see it. Turns out if a player can’t get a game for bottom of the table Everton or doesn’t set foot on the pitch since October 2022 its not because we are seeing something others aren’t its, in fact, just because they are shit.

[stknowle]

6 minutes ago, trousers said:

To be slightly fair, AA's best games have been when he's playing deeper rather than as a striker. 

He's no midfielder though is he? Nr 10/support striker maybe.

[Convict Colony]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

slow fullbacks are just a liability. Slow, short and out of position fullbacks...

There were some much better left back options available this summer IMO. RM's choice. 

hahaha you love a good fullback review chez, at least manning can cross though, KWP not so much.

[Saint86]

3 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

So I just chucked some money at Nowtv for a 24 hours pass...and you all lied. There isn't an option for red button games at all!

Just sat here laughing at myself now. 

Now TV are broadcasting it? I'm literally watching it. There is no replays or punditry though, halftime is just a flash screen of Southampton vs Ipswich over the top of the pitchside camera view 😂

Genuinely think it would be better for your mental wellbeing to not watch this shit though. It's depressing and will make you sad or angry 😑

Edited 19 September, 2023 by Saint86

[Saint Fan CaM]

4 shots on goal. Not one shot on target with 56% possession. Relegation form. Horrible shitty football.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Feeling like we need a boufal like run from sulemana at somepoint this game to score

I assume you mean a West Brom run, not a 99% Boufal run.

[James]

2 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

WE can go on and on about the style, but the fact is that some of our players cannot pass the ball. Everything we bring on ourselves because we are too lackadaisical and inaccurate with our passes. We are also completely ineffective in attack, and have no presence due to the team being a bunch of midgets. 

If the team can’t pass then probably makes sense to not play a style which, if and when they do give it away, presents the opportunity with almost open goals. 

[Suhari]

44 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Much better tonight.

Yeah. So this comment lasted well

 

[Saint_clark]

Just now, Saint86 said:

Now TV are broadcasting it? I'm literally watching it. There is no replays or punditry though, halftime is just a flash screen of Southampton vs Ipswich over the top of the pitchside camera view 😂

On what? I'm trying to watch on my laptop, can't find an option for it anywhere.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

If you have access to a Sky login you can watch it on the Sky Sports app (not the Sky Go app).

[austsaint]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

slow fullbacks are just a liability. Slow, short and out of position fullbacks...

There were some much better left back options available this summer IMO. RM's choice. 

 

2 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Will Smallbone is fucking shit. Stevie Wonder in charge of our contract negotiations.

The continued selection of these two will cement our slide into Championship mediocrity.    And RMs decision to keep playing them is one of the reasons he should probably go.

[trousers]

5 minutes ago, James said:

The other issue is we’ve sold anyone half capable of winning games in this league (Tella, JWP etc.) irrespective of whatever suicidal tactics Martin is employing.

I accepted JWP's departure because I want him to get back into the England fold, ergo he had to stay in the PL, but needlessly letting Tella go will turn out to be the worse decision of the transfer window IMO. The one proven scorer at this level in our squad and we let him go without a fight. Bonkers. 

[Saint86]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

On what? I'm trying to watch on my laptop, can't find an option for it anywhere.

I've got it on ps4 but it's basically the same home screen. Just scrolled down a bit on the sports screen and found a sideways scroll bar with all the games there as thumbnails. Wasn't hidden in any options or anything.