Saint_clark Posted March 16 Posted March 16 9 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said: Larios played today. Stewart had a bit of a reaction after that game, so they've slowed down his recovery time according to Alfie at the Echo. https://x.com/AlfieHouseEcho/status/1901242498061603232?t=mdMl8EwMjNZOwwjr_SSYTg&s=19 Slowed it down to "given up"? I'm still not passing judgement on Larios yet, when he's played he's actually looked OK and that was when he was much younger. Although perhaps we need to just write him off as a crock instead of a lack of ability.
bobby_charles Posted March 16 Posted March 16 I honestly do wonder what this guy is thinking, his contract is up next year, he wont feature in future plans unless he springs up between now and the start of the champ season. He realistically needs to start planning for life outside of football or he may end up doing a stuey and entering tryouts because noone is going to sign a guy with such a poor injury and recovery record. It must really be shit to know you have 14 months of your career left before being dropped into the wild, he has world class medical staff around him now and still cant go more than 45 minutes in a reserves game without extended time out.
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 16/03/2025 at 23:51, HKsaint said: He will come back strongly in a fortnight. Even though you were joking... you were right! On the bench today vs Spurs 1
Weston Super Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Just now, davefizzy14 said: Good to see Ross back in the squad 😊 Breaking news. He's going to sit this one out - apparently there was an incident getting off the coach. 3
aintforever Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Wasn’t it this time last year he was finally fit enough to play? Cunt is stealing a living.
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, aintforever said: Wasn’t it this time last year he was finally fit enough to play? Cunt is stealing a living. Why label him a 'cunt' or 'stealing a living'? He isn't deliberately getting injured! Edited April 6 by Matthew Le God 14
Weston Super Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Why label him a 'cunt' of 'stealing a living'? He isn't deliberately getting injured! Source? 4
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Source? Players don't deliberately want to get injured! 1
Whitey Grandad Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Players don't deliberately want to get injured! That ain’t Sainty
Weston Super Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: Players don't deliberately want to get injured! Answer the question.
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said: Answer the question. Evolution, the species doesn't survive if you intentionally injure yourself time after time. 1 1
Weston Super Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Evolution, the species doesn't survive if you intentionally injure yourself time after time. Unless survival = taking a huge wage for doing fuck all then your Darwinian assumption is wrong. Are you able to answer the question? 1
Gloucester Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: Why label him a 'cunt' of 'stealing a living'? He isn't deliberately getting injured! It is taking the piss now though. Perry Groves had a single injury, J Rod got an infection on the operating table and adjustment injuries. This is a catalogue, although what the hell Saints thought they were doing buying someone not yet recovered from the one injury worse than an ACL is beyond any reason. Club needs to be ruthless - 50% of final year paid up and contract termination. Given the lack of presence even at Staplewood with the first team group that’s justifiable, actually it’s fairly generous given he’s featured for around 150 minutes in 2 whole years, Most of us have to go out and earn a living. With his sickness and absence record we’d all be on the dole without the millions of pounds in salary. His playing career is over at any serious level, go out and make a new one. Edited April 6 by Gloucester Saint 2
Lighthouse Posted April 6 Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: It is taking the piss now though. Perry Groves had a single injury, J Rod got an infection on the operating table and adjustment injuries. This is a catalogue, although what the hell Saints thought they were doing buying someone not yet recovered from the one injury worse than an ACL is beyond any reason. Club needs to be ruthless - 50% of final year paid up and contract termination. Given the lack of presence even at Staplewood with the first team group that’s justifiable. Most of us have to go out and earn a living. With his sickness and absence record we’d all be on the dole without the millions of pounds in salary. His playing career is over at any serious level, go out and make a new one. I think it’d be nice of you to sell me your house at half its market value. 2
Whitey Grandad Posted April 6 Posted April 6 4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: It is taking the piss now though. Perry Groves had a single injury, J Rod got an infection on the operating table and adjustment injuries. This is a catalogue, although what the hell Saints thought they were doing buying someone not yet recovered from the one injury worse than an ACL is beyond any reason. Club needs to be ruthless - 50% of final year paid up and contract termination. Given the lack of presence even at Staplewood with the first team group that’s justifiable. Most of us have to go out and earn a living. With his sickness and absence record we’d all be on the dole without the millions of pounds in salary. His playing career is over at any serious level, go out and make a new one. A contract is a contract.
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Club needs to be ruthless - 50% of final year paid up and contract termination. Given the lack of presence even at Staplewood with the first team group that’s justifiable. It is not justifiable. You can't just terminate a contract by only paying off 50% of it if there is not stating of that in the contract or the player doesn't agree to it. What incentive does he have to accept that? Especially given he is now fit enough to play for us. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Just now, Whitey Grandad said: A contract is a contract. Not if someone isn’t able to actually perform it or be available to do so.
Gloucester Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Just now, Matthew Le God said: It is not justifiable. You can't just terminate a contract by only paying off 50% of it if there is not stating of that in the contract or the player doesn't agree to it. What incentive does he have to accept that? Especially given he is now fit enough to play for us. How often has that been over the last 2 years? How many first team games has he been available for? I don’t think he’s played many u23 games has he to get fitter?
Lighthouse Posted April 6 Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Not if someone isn’t able to actually perform it or be available to do so. 1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said: How often has that been over the last 2 years? How many first team games has he been available for? I don’t think he’s played many u23 games has he to get fitter? Unless his contract has appearance abased clauses, none of that means anything. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 The whole transfer still stinks as well, the Head of Recruitment buys a totally knackered player who can barely walk without spraining something from the selling club where the manager is his brother. SR really did get their pants pulled down especially badly on this deal. 5
Gloucester Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Unless his contract has appearance abased clauses, none of that means anything. It’s what I’d have done given his injury record, anyone with contracts experience would do. Bet SR haven’t though, Ankerson is clueless around aspects of the business like that. Bet Phil Giles did all of the ops at Brentford. Big wage rise from the £7k or so p/w he was allegedly on Sunderland but you’ve got to be fit and motivated to get the appearances to get a shot at the PL. Thankfully it’s the club’s headache not ours.
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 20 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: How often has that been over the last 2 years? How many first team games has he been available for? I don’t think he’s played many u23 games has he to get fitter? What incentive does he have to accept losing 50% of his contracted income? U21s not u23s 1 1
imadirtyurchin Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Back for just long enough to remind the hierarchy that he’s here - so that they “don’t need to buy a new striker” before getting injured watching TV and disappearing for another 2 years. 2 2
Gloucester Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: What incentive does he have to accept losing 50% of his contracted income? U21s not u23s U21/U23 doesn’t matter, it’s babies football. We are not talking about the old robust Central League Liverpool, Utd, City players got back from injury in during the 1980s. Incentive? Get away from an environment with good money behind him, one which isn’t pushing him at all it seems to get fit, build strength and revive his career albeit at a much lower level. He hasn’t played really in 3 years, his conditioning will have gone completely through lack of matches. You only have to look at the physique of Will Smallbone to see how un-focussed, uncaring and un-ambitious the club is. Take an expenses-only spell over the summer in the MLS or Scandinavian leagues, get some minutes under your belt, train competitively, maybe even the odd goal. If he has the final year of his contract sitting on his arse again, that’s four years out and career over. Comes down to his appetite and professionalism.
Whitey Grandad Posted April 6 Posted April 6 2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: Not if someone isn’t able to actually perform it or be available to do so. This is a football contract. The conditions are different.
Gloucester Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: This is a football contract. The conditions are different. In which case pay him off in full. We will bring in enough in sales to more than offset. All parties have to move on.
Matthew Le God Posted April 6 Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Incentive? Get away from an environment with good money behind him, one which isn’t pushing him at all it seems to get fit, build strength and revive his career albeit at a much lower level. He hasn’t played really in 3 years, his conditioning will have gone completely through lack of matches. He literally played for our first team today! He could be a useful player next season in the Championship on a large wage. There is no incentive for him to do as suggested and give up 50% of the money he signed up to receive! 1
Gloucester Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Just now, Matthew Le God said: He literally played for our first team today! He could be a useful player next season in the Championship on a large wage. There is no incentive for him to do as suggested and give up 50% of the money he signed up to receive! What % of that has been the case in the last 3 years, for Saints and Sunderland? if he stays for the final 12 months of his contract then he is literally a bonus player. The club can’t use the excuse of saying ‘we can’t sign striker X because we have Ross Stewart’. He can’t be part of the planning whatsoever but if he can contribute meaningfully it’s a nice to have. 2
imadirtyurchin Posted April 6 Posted April 6 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He could be a “player” (non playing player) next season on a large wage. Fixed that for you. 1
Pamplemousse Posted April 6 Posted April 6 With a full pre-season under his belt and injury free, he can easily get us a lot of goals next season. 1 3
Weston Super Saint Posted April 6 Posted April 6 28 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: With a full pre-season under his belt and injury free, he can easily get us a lot of goals next season. I assume the injury thing will mean the full pre-season thing doesn't happen. 4
Convict Colony Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Am sure I've done this joke before but i thought he was called Loch Ness cos he was scottish not that we see him once in a blue moon then disappears. 3
saintant Posted April 6 Posted April 6 2 hours ago, Pamplemousse said: With a full pre-season under his belt and injury free, he can easily get us a lot of goals next season. A full and proper pre-season will benefit the whole squad not just Stewart. Hopefully we'll have someone in charge who realises the importance.
Turkish Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Convict Colony said: Am sure I've done this joke before but i thought he was called Loch Ness cos he was scottish not that we see him once in a blue moon then disappears. Bro is sick, gonna score bare goals in the championship, he will be our top G 3
tdmickey3 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 The staggering amount that Ross Stewart has earned per Southampton appearance since Sunderland exit 1
badgerx16 Posted April 7 Posted April 7 34 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: The staggering amount that Ross Stewart has earned per Southampton appearance since Sunderland exit Given that was written in December, the per appearance earnings will be even higher now. 1
Matthew Le God Posted Tuesday at 06:13 Posted Tuesday at 06:13 21 hours ago, tdmickey3 said: The staggering amount that Ross Stewart has earned per Southampton appearance since Sunderland exit 20 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Given that was written in December, the per appearance earnings will be even higher now. He'll be on a lot more than £20k p/w
ApprenticeBillionaire Posted Tuesday at 06:33 Posted Tuesday at 06:33 14 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He'll be on a lot more than £20k p/w At what point does it become chronically awkward for a player knowing full well they're absolutely stealing a living? People saying a "contract is a contract" but at what point does it become awkwardly embarrassing for a player that wouldn't make them knock on the gaffers door and say "ok let's work something out"... I personally couldn't continue to take a full wage knowing fully bloody well I'm not fit for purpose. If we've handed this guy a full contract with no appearance clauses in it, then that's breathtakingly stupid given his injury record. But for me, there has to be a point where personal fucking pride from the player kicks in... Because this is absolutely pathetic and farcical now.
Harold K Steptoe Posted Tuesday at 07:06 Posted Tuesday at 07:06 30 minutes ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said: At what point does it become chronically awkward for a player knowing full well they're absolutely stealing a living? People saying a "contract is a contract" but at what point does it become awkwardly embarrassing for a player that wouldn't make them knock on the gaffers door and say "ok let's work something out"... I personally couldn't continue to take a full wage knowing fully bloody well I'm not fit for purpose. If we've handed this guy a full contract with no appearance clauses in it, then that's breathtakingly stupid given his injury record. But for me, there has to be a point where personal fucking pride from the player kicks in... Because this is absolutely pathetic and farcical now. Why not, how many players go to a club and are happy to sit on a bench and never play and earn 4 times the wage of the previous club they were a regular starter at.
It's There Posted Tuesday at 07:19 Posted Tuesday at 07:19 I don't get the pile on on Ross S. He's now fit, in the squad and available. I'm sure he's hated being injured and not able to help the team, especially this season when we needed him. Don't blame him for being bought and bring paid what he is. I back him to score goals, at least 10 , next season! 6
badgerx16 Posted Tuesday at 07:28 Posted Tuesday at 07:28 8 minutes ago, It's There said: I back him to score goals, at least 10 , next season! So he is half an Adam Armstrong.
BarberSaint Posted Tuesday at 08:25 Posted Tuesday at 08:25 1 hour ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said: At what point does it become chronically awkward for a player knowing full well they're absolutely stealing a living? People saying a "contract is a contract" but at what point does it become awkwardly embarrassing for a player that wouldn't make them knock on the gaffers door and say "ok let's work something out"... I personally couldn't continue to take a full wage knowing fully bloody well I'm not fit for purpose. If we've handed this guy a full contract with no appearance clauses in it, then that's breathtakingly stupid given his injury record. But for me, there has to be a point where personal fucking pride from the player kicks in... Because this is absolutely pathetic and farcical now. I think you're talking about a thing called a 'conscience'. They're no longer in fashion, soz. I don't know if it's quite the same with RS in his situation. The closest comparator I can think of is Sam McQueen and he gave it five years and didn't get close to coming back whereas RS kind of has. SM was also younger and came across as being quite thoughtful. No idea of RS' situation but I assume at some point he'll have to start to think about things longer-term, probably at the next injury date. And we don't know what these injuries are, either. Larios now appears to be playing regularly a bit and he's been off for a very long time too (but he's also younger). I'd probably have to wait until the middle of next year to see how they've done. Another (genuine) injury might prompt concern about them possessing the requisite conditioning/physical capability which they themselves will have to address.
saintant Posted Tuesday at 08:50 Posted Tuesday at 08:50 2 hours ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said: At what point does it become chronically awkward for a player knowing full well they're absolutely stealing a living? People saying a "contract is a contract" but at what point does it become awkwardly embarrassing for a player that wouldn't make them knock on the gaffers door and say "ok let's work something out"... I personally couldn't continue to take a full wage knowing fully bloody well I'm not fit for purpose. If we've handed this guy a full contract with no appearance clauses in it, then that's breathtakingly stupid given his injury record. But for me, there has to be a point where personal fucking pride from the player kicks in... Because this is absolutely pathetic and farcical now. Who in their right mind knocks on the manager's door and asks him to arrange for cancellation of his 20k plus weekly salary? I suspect nobody on this forum would even contemplate such an action were they in Stewart's shoes. 5
Osvaldorama Posted Tuesday at 08:55 Posted Tuesday at 08:55 Yeah that’s a ludicrous idea. If that was me I’d be ringing the shit out of the contract for all it’s worth. Will never get the chance to earn that money again. Fair play to him. Just a shame our recruitment team are so stupid 3
ApprenticeBillionaire Posted Tuesday at 09:22 Posted Tuesday at 09:22 31 minutes ago, saintant said: Who in their right mind knocks on the manager's door and asks him to arrange for cancellation of his 20k plus weekly salary? I suspect nobody on this forum would even contemplate such an action were they in Stewart's shoes. Yes because that's exactly what I said isn't it.
ApprenticeBillionaire Posted Tuesday at 09:33 Posted Tuesday at 09:33 38 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Just a shame our recruitment team are so stupid That was my point.
Stripey McStripe Shirt Posted Tuesday at 09:50 Posted Tuesday at 09:50 27 minutes ago, ApprenticeBillionaire said: Yes because that's exactly what I said isn't it. To be honest, yes, re-reading your post that is pretty much exactly what you were suggesting.
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