Patches O Houlihan Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 15/09/2024 at 07:38, Turkish said: I wouldn’t speak too quickly. On 28/08/2024 at 17:50, Turkish said: He’s clearly fucked and will likely never play again at a decent level. 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 with the state of our forward line and lack of goals its sad to say that it looks like our season may revolve around RS return to fitness and building match sharpness plus the hope that he can bridge the gap between L1 / Championship footy and the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 5 minutes ago, wild-saint said: with the state of our forward line and lack of goals its sad to say that it looks like our season may revolve around RS return to fitness and building match sharpness plus the hope that he can bridge the gap between L1 / Championship footy and the prem. I was very pleased for him putting that penalty away last night. After so long out it would have been a boost to hit the back of the net, even from the spot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Was a very confident penalty too. Hopefully he can stay fit and then we at least have a chance to see what kind of level he is at. Zero pressure really because he is barely proven at Championship level but hopefully can be an asset moving forwards either on the pitch or financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 I hope he turns into a Pelle type of signing. Relatively unheralded, unproven at the top level but comes good. Certainly he offers us more than Archer, AA and BBD up top (if match fit and stays fit) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 4 minutes ago, washsaint said: I hope he turns into a Pelle type of signing. Relatively unheralded, unproven at the top level but comes good. Certainly he offers us more than Archer, AA and BBD up top (if match fit and stays fit) Ah there in lies the issue ............................we dont play to the forwards quick enough for them to have made an opportunity to score or have an attempt on goal. Both our goals so far have been defenders, although AA should have buried one against Brentford and we missed a fucking penalty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, washsaint said: I hope he turns into a Pelle type of signing. Relatively unheralded, unproven at the top level but comes good. Lambert fitted that description too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Ooh baby, Do you know what he's worth? Ross Stewart is allergic to turf. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 I wonder how long he'll be out for? 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 At least it’s now the international break so he should be fit for Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellyears Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 56 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: I wonder how long he'll be out for? 🤔 Just forget him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 4 minutes ago, ChrisPY said: At least it’s now the international break so he should be fit for Leicester. Is that in a couple of weeks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, Sheaf Saint said: Is that in a couple of weeks? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 hour ago, ChrisPY said: At least it’s now the international break so he should be fit for Leicester. I hope not. TP looks ten times the player he is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) Fingers crossed for Ross that it's not a serious muscle injury and that he's back for the next game after the international break🤞 Edited October 5 by davefizzy14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 4 hours ago, ChrisPY said: At least it’s now the international break so he should be fit for Leicester. Which season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Injured again FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 11 hours ago, Turkish said: Injured again FFS Think when he has played he’s looked very ordinary so I don’t see it’s an issue for the team. TP looked a significant improvement yesterday and seems negligent to not have played him so far 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambtiss Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 17 hours ago, Dark Munster said: I hope not. TP looks ten times the player he is. I agree that TP looks much more of a goal threat than Ross, so surely He should have started ahead of Ross, with Ross coming on as a sub while building up his fitness. Assuming the idea was to have a tall CF who could act as a longer ball outlet and hold the ball up to release the Arsenal pressure, he should have replaced Ross rather than coming on at the tail end of the game. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 back in two weeks, yes? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Tbh it is very harsh to judge Stewart after such a long time out. He could easily be a very good player. But then again, it’s criminal negligence to be relying on him in the first place. Not sure what the club were thinking tbh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Just a gentle reminder. The ‘two week’ starts after the international break has finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 1 hour ago, LiberalCommunist said: Just a gentle reminder. The ‘two week’ starts after the international break has finished. And then two weeks after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Indubitably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Feel proper sorry for Ross just seems to be one thing after the other, he looked gutted when he went off. Sunderland fans thought he was prem quality and we did get him on the cheap so you can see why we took the gamble at this stage it’s just a bonus if we get him fit again though 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Feel proper sorry for Ross just seems to be one thing after the other, he looked gutted when he went off. Sunderland fans thought he was prem quality and we did get him on the cheap so you can see why we took the gamble at this stage it’s just a bonus if we get him fit again though Not sure I'd count it as cheap. It's up there with one of the more expensive championship transfers in history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 9 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Feel proper sorry for Ross just seems to be one thing after the other, he looked gutted when he went off. Sunderland fans thought he was prem quality and we did get him on the cheap so you can see why we took the gamble at this stage it’s just a bonus if we get him fit again though He was not on the cheap what so ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: He was not on the cheap what so ever 11 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Not sure I'd count it as cheap. It's up there with one of the more expensive championship transfers in history. Put it this way Stewart’s last season at Sunderland in the championship he had nearly a goal a game and was Sunderland’s star man and regarded one of the best strikers in the championship .. you don’t get that for 8 million without the contract situation or the injury . Look what we paid for the likes of adams and Armstrong ! At one point you would have been looking at 20 million so I disagree he was on the cheap .. 8 million does not land you a top championship striker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 28 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: At one point you would have been looking at 20 million so I disagree he was on the cheap .. 8 million does not land you a top championship striker Correct. And in this case DID NOT land us a top championship striker. We paid £8m for a broken striker that shows no signs of being fixed. Our recent history is littered with poor decisions like this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Correct. And in this case DID NOT land us a top championship striker. We paid £8m for a broken striker that shows no signs of being fixed. Our recent history is littered with poor decisions like this. Yeah I’m not saying it was a good idea, but the club probably saw the chance to sign a top championship player for half his previous value and took the gamble. it was more because his contract was soon to expire and he wasn’t signing that allowed us to get him for this price .which is why I say we got him for cheap . It obviously has worked out terribly but the club saw value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 3 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Yeah I’m not saying it was a good idea, but the club probably saw the chance to sign a top championship player for half his previous value and took the gamble. it was more because his contract was soon to expire and he wasn’t signing that allowed us to get him for this price .which is why I say we got him for cheap . It obviously has worked out terribly but the club saw value We have different definitions of cheap. Yes we got him cheaper than we may have done were he not injured but certainly not cheap by any means. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 We paid £8m for him and he’s probably made a few million in wages since signing. Not his fault, very unfortunate in terms of his career and that must be hard mentally - but what a huge mistake business-wise by the club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 £8 million ..... 🤣🤣🤣 Should invest that in some better scouts, our recruitment recently has been shite.. Oh and a proper director of football wouldn't hurt either 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 46 minutes ago, ally_uk said: £8 million ..... 🤣🤣🤣 Should invest that in some better scouts, our recruitment recently has been shite.. Oh and a proper director of football wouldn't hurt either Agree with you, but the Stewart signing was made when we had a DoF in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 18 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said: We paid £8m for him and he’s probably made a few million in wages since signing. Not his fault, very unfortunate in terms of his career and that must be hard mentally - but what a huge mistake business-wise by the club. We tried to do a Danny Ings again. It worked then, it didn't this time, there was always going to be an element of risk and luck with this signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 20 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said: We paid £8m for him and he’s probably made a few million in wages since signing. Not his fault, very unfortunate in terms of his career and that must be hard mentally - but what a huge mistake business-wise by the club. We are just so fortunate that we went up in spite of this fuck up. Had we not it would have been a major contributing factor and would have been a millstone around our neck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 I guess we dont know the terms of Roscoe's contract. Hopefully there is a clause in there which relates to performance payments. Many Sunderland supporters thought we had paid quite a low fee for him and he would have commanded a much bigger fee if he was not carrying an injury when we bought him. Remind me a bit of the Charlie George/Perry Groves/Ronnie Eklund signings of yesteryear although Ronnie was only a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 Poor signing based on his injury record but ultimately £8 million isn't a massive amount these days. He is not a worse signing than Guido or Osvaldo IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 3 hours ago, Bad Wolf said: Poor signing based on his injury record but ultimately £8 million isn't a massive amount these days. He is not a worse signing than Guido or Osvaldo IMO. Are you drunk? He’d barely played above league one when we spunked that figure. It was a ridiculous fee in the first place. At least Osvaldo has proven himself at the top level. Guido played in La Liga. How anyone can frame that his signing was cheap is truly baffling. It’s toward the top end of fees ever paid in the championship. 8mil would have been a gamble for a player with his pedigree even without the injuries! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 28 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Are you drunk? He’d barely played above league one when we spunked that figure. It was a ridiculous fee in the first place. At least Osvaldo has proven himself at the top level. Guido played in La Liga. How anyone can frame that his signing was cheap is truly baffling. It’s toward the top end of fees ever paid in the championship. 8mil would have been a gamble for a player with his pedigree even without the injuries! Because the other two were double the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 27 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Because the other two were double the price? Quadruple if you take into account transfer price inflation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 36 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Because the other two were double the price? But we were in the premier league, where the prices are usually double. Carrillo was a joke of a signing so not defending the scouting team, but Stewart wasn’t some cheap signing. He is about on par with Carillo so far id say. Our recruitment, especially for strikers, is shocking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugenhagen Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 I'm probably coming down on the "cheap-ish" side of this debate, but after his last injury I really feel for the lad. I have made my share of jokes about his injuries in the last year, but right now I just feel really bad for him. And I didn't even have any hopes about him coming back or proving himself on this level, I had pretty much written him off before the last one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 I always find it funny when people go “don’t you feel sorry for him?” No, not really. He’s considerably richer and he’ll still get a nice contract at another club if we ship him on. I get the impression there’s a lot of sentimentality with Ross Stewart because he was a RM signing. To ship him on would be to admit a mistake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, Osvaldorama said: Are you drunk? He’d barely played above league one when we spunked that figure. It was a ridiculous fee in the first place. At least Osvaldo has proven himself at the top level. Guido played in La Liga. How anyone can frame that his signing was cheap is truly baffling. It’s toward the top end of fees ever paid in the championship. 8mil would have been a gamble for a player with his pedigree even without the injuries! No disrespect intended but it being a high fee for the championship is the wrong way of looking at it .. his value is his value .. just because we where a championship club when we bought him does not entitle us to some discount where we get another championship clubs top striker for 4 million or something .. look at the fees we paid for adams and Armstrong and that was years ago Edited October 13 by pimpin4rizeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugenhagen Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said: I always find it funny when people go “don’t you feel sorry for him?” No, not really. He’s considerably richer and he’ll still get a nice contract at another club if we ship him on. Guess I just had a bit of empaty with a player getting injured, don't care about his wages and didn't ask anyone to feel sorry for him. 2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said: I get the impression there’s a lot of sentimentality with Ross Stewart because he was a RM signing. To ship him on would be to admit a mistake. Only supporters think like this... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugenhagen Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 Lets get this thread back on track. Anybody heard anything? Two weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 13 hours ago, bugenhagen said: Lets get this thread back on track. Anybody heard anything? Two weeks? Nope and frankly watching his touch in the games he has played so far, I'd rate him miles behind Archer and Tall Paul and that's not setting the bar very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 He needed to go out on loan. He just isn’t a Premier League player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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