Ross Stewart

[Patches O Houlihan]

On 15/09/2024 at 07:38, Turkish said:

I wouldn’t speak too quickly. 

On 28/08/2024 at 17:50, Turkish said:

 He’s clearly fucked and will likely never play again at a decent level. 

😉

 

[wild-saint]

with the state of our forward line and lack of goals its sad to say that it looks like our season may revolve around RS return to fitness and building match sharpness plus the hope that he can bridge the gap between L1 / Championship footy and the prem. 

[beatlesaint]

5 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

with the state of our forward line and lack of goals its sad to say that it looks like our season may revolve around RS return to fitness and building match sharpness plus the hope that he can bridge the gap between L1 / Championship footy and the prem. 

I was very pleased for him putting that penalty away last night. After so long out it would have been a boost to hit the back of the net, even from the spot.

[Dusic]

Was a very confident penalty too. Hopefully he can stay fit and then we at least have a chance to see what kind of level he is at. Zero pressure really because he is barely proven at Championship level but hopefully can be an asset moving forwards either on the pitch or financially.

[washsaint]

I hope he turns into a Pelle type of signing.  Relatively unheralded, unproven at the top level but comes good.

Certainly he offers us more than Archer, AA and BBD up top (if match fit and stays fit)

[Roo1976]

4 minutes ago, washsaint said:

I hope he turns into a Pelle type of signing.  Relatively unheralded, unproven at the top level but comes good.

Certainly he offers us more than Archer, AA and BBD up top (if match fit and stays fit)

Ah there in lies the issue ............................we dont play to the forwards quick enough for them to have made an opportunity to score or have an attempt on goal. Both our goals so far have been defenders, although AA should have buried one against Brentford and we missed a fucking penalty.

[suewhistle]

1 hour ago, washsaint said:

I hope he turns into a Pelle type of signing.  Relatively unheralded, unproven at the top level but comes good.

Lambert fitted that description too!

[ant]

Ooh baby,
Do you know what he's worth?
Ross Stewart is allergic to turf.

[Sheaf Saint]

I wonder how long he'll be out for? 🤔

[ChrisPY]

At least it’s now the international break so he should be fit for Leicester.

[Dellyears]

56 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I wonder how long he'll be out for? 🤔

Just forget him

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, ChrisPY said:

At least it’s now the international break so he should be fit for Leicester.

Is that in a couple of weeks?

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Sheaf Saint said:

Is that in a couple of weeks?

Yes

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, ChrisPY said:

At least it’s now the international break so he should be fit for Leicester.

I hope not. TP looks ten times the player he is.

[davefizzy14]

Fingers crossed for Ross that it's not a serious muscle injury and that he's back for the next game after the international break🤞

Edited 5 October, 2024 by davefizzy14

[Jonnyboy]

4 hours ago, ChrisPY said:

At least it’s now the international break so he should be fit for Leicester.

Which season?

[Turkish]

Injured again FFS

 

[skintsaint]

[Galway saint]

11 hours ago, Turkish said:

Injured again FFS

 

Think when he has played he’s looked very ordinary so I don’t see it’s an issue for the team.

TP looked a significant improvement yesterday and  seems negligent to not have played him so far 

[lambtiss]

17 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

I hope not. TP looks ten times the player he is.

I agree that TP looks much more of a goal threat than Ross, so surely

1. He should have started ahead of Ross, with Ross coming on as a sub while building up his fitness.
2. Assuming the idea was to have a tall CF who could act as a longer ball outlet and hold the ball up to release the Arsenal pressure, he should have replaced Ross rather than coming on at the tail end of the game.

[Turkish]

back in two weeks, yes?

[Osvaldorama]

Tbh it is very harsh to judge Stewart after such a long time out. He could easily be a very good player. 
 

But then again, it’s criminal negligence to be relying on him in the first place. Not sure what the club were thinking tbh. 

[LiberalCommunist]

Just a gentle reminder. The ‘two week’ starts after the international break has finished. 

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Just a gentle reminder. The ‘two week’ starts after the international break has finished. 

And then two weeks after that. 

[LiberalCommunist]

Indubitably 

[pimpin4rizeal]

Feel proper sorry for Ross just seems to be one thing after the other, he looked gutted when he went off. Sunderland fans thought he was prem quality and we did get him on the cheap so you can see why we took the gamble 

at this stage it’s just a bonus if we get him fit again though 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Feel proper sorry for Ross just seems to be one thing after the other, he looked gutted when he went off. Sunderland fans thought he was prem quality and we did get him on the cheap so you can see why we took the gamble 

at this stage it’s just a bonus if we get him fit again though 

Not sure I'd count it as cheap. It's up there with one of the more expensive championship transfers in history. 

[AlexLaw76]

9 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Feel proper sorry for Ross just seems to be one thing after the other, he looked gutted when he went off. Sunderland fans thought he was prem quality and we did get him on the cheap so you can see why we took the gamble 

at this stage it’s just a bonus if we get him fit again though 

He was not on the cheap what so ever

[pimpin4rizeal]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He was not on the cheap what so ever

 

11 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Not sure I'd count it as cheap. It's up there with one of the more expensive championship transfers in history. 

Put it this way Stewart’s last season at Sunderland in the championship he had nearly a goal a game and was Sunderland’s star man and regarded one of the best strikers in the championship .. you don’t  get that for 8 million without the contract situation or the injury . Look what we paid for the likes of adams and Armstrong !

At one point you would have been looking at 20 million so I disagree he was on the cheap .. 8 million does not land you a top championship striker 

[Weston Super Saint]

28 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

At one point you would have been looking at 20 million so I disagree he was on the cheap .. 8 million does not land you a top championship striker 

Correct.  And in this case DID NOT land us a top championship striker.

We paid £8m for a broken striker that shows no signs of being fixed.  Our recent history is littered with poor decisions like this.

[pimpin4rizeal]

6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Correct.  And in this case DID NOT land us a top championship striker.

We paid £8m for a broken striker that shows no signs of being fixed.  Our recent history is littered with poor decisions like this.

Yeah I’m not saying it was a good idea, but the club probably saw the chance to sign a top championship player for half his previous value and took the gamble. 
it was more because his contract was soon to expire and he wasn’t signing that allowed us to get him for this price .which is why I say we got him for cheap . It obviously has worked out terribly but the club saw value 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Yeah I’m not saying it was a good idea, but the club probably saw the chance to sign a top championship player for half his previous value and took the gamble. 
it was more because his contract was soon to expire and he wasn’t signing that allowed us to get him for this price .which is why I say we got him for cheap . It obviously has worked out terribly but the club saw value 

We have different definitions of cheap. Yes we got him cheaper than we may have done were he not injured but certainly not cheap by any means. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

We paid £8m for him and he’s probably made a few million in wages since signing.

Not his fault, very unfortunate in terms of his career and that must be hard mentally - but what a huge mistake business-wise by the club.

[ally_uk]

£8 million ..... 🤣🤣🤣

Should invest that in some better scouts, our recruitment recently has been shite..

Oh and a proper director of football wouldn't hurt either 

[Badger]

46 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

£8 million ..... 🤣🤣🤣

Should invest that in some better scouts, our recruitment recently has been shite..

Oh and a proper director of football wouldn't hurt either 

Agree with you, but the Stewart signing was made when we had a DoF in place. 

[Lighthouse]

18 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

We paid £8m for him and he’s probably made a few million in wages since signing.

Not his fault, very unfortunate in terms of his career and that must be hard mentally - but what a huge mistake business-wise by the club.

We tried to do a Danny Ings again. It worked then, it didn't this time, there was always going to be an element of risk and luck with this signing.

[hypochondriac]

20 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

We paid £8m for him and he’s probably made a few million in wages since signing.

Not his fault, very unfortunate in terms of his career and that must be hard mentally - but what a huge mistake business-wise by the club.

We are just so fortunate that we went up in spite of this fuck up. Had we not it would have been a major contributing factor and would have been a millstone around our neck. 

[spyinthesky]

I guess we dont know the terms of Roscoe's contract.
Hopefully there is a clause in there which relates to performance payments.
Many Sunderland supporters thought we had paid quite a low fee for him and he would have commanded a much bigger fee if he was not carrying an injury when we bought him.
Remind me a bit of the Charlie George/Perry Groves/Ronnie Eklund signings of yesteryear although Ronnie was only a loan.

[Bad Wolf]

Poor signing based on his injury record but ultimately £8 million isn't a massive amount these days. He is not a worse signing than Guido or Osvaldo IMO.

[Osvaldorama]

3 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Poor signing based on his injury record but ultimately £8 million isn't a massive amount these days. He is not a worse signing than Guido or Osvaldo IMO.

Are you drunk? 
 

He’d barely played above league one when we spunked that figure. It was a ridiculous fee in the first place. At least Osvaldo has proven himself at the top level. Guido played in La Liga. 
 

How anyone can frame that his signing was cheap is truly baffling. It’s toward the top end of fees ever paid in the championship. 8mil would have been a gamble for a player with his pedigree even without the injuries! 

[Bad Wolf]

28 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Are you drunk? 
 

He’d barely played above league one when we spunked that figure. It was a ridiculous fee in the first place. At least Osvaldo has proven himself at the top level. Guido played in La Liga. 
 

How anyone can frame that his signing was cheap is truly baffling. It’s toward the top end of fees ever paid in the championship. 8mil would have been a gamble for a player with his pedigree even without the injuries! 

Because the other two were double the price? 

[Dark Munster]

27 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Because the other two were double the price? 

Quadruple if you take into account transfer price inflation!

[Osvaldorama]

36 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Because the other two were double the price? 

But we were in the premier league, where the prices are usually double. 
 

Carrillo was a joke of a signing so not defending the scouting team, but Stewart wasn’t some cheap signing. He is about on par with Carillo so far id say. 

Our recruitment, especially for strikers, is shocking.  

[bugenhagen]

I'm probably coming down on the "cheap-ish" side of this debate, but after his last injury I really feel for the lad.

I have made my share of jokes about his injuries in the last year, but right now I just feel really bad for him. And I didn't even have any hopes about him coming back or proving himself on this level, I had pretty much written him off before the last one...

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

I always find it funny when people go “don’t you feel sorry for him?”

No, not really. He’s considerably richer and he’ll still get a nice contract at another club if we ship him on.

I get the impression there’s a lot of sentimentality with Ross Stewart because he was a RM signing. To ship him on would be to admit a mistake.

[pimpin4rizeal]

3 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Are you drunk? 
 

He’d barely played above league one when we spunked that figure. It was a ridiculous fee in the first place. At least Osvaldo has proven himself at the top level. Guido played in La Liga. 
 

How anyone can frame that his signing was cheap is truly baffling. It’s toward the top end of fees ever paid in the championship. 8mil would have been a gamble for a player with his pedigree even without the injuries! 

No disrespect intended but it being a high fee for the championship is the wrong way of looking at it .. his value is his value .. just because we where a championship club when we bought him does not entitle us to some discount where we get another championship clubs top striker for 4 million or something .. look at the fees we paid for adams and Armstrong and that was years ago 

Edited 13 October, 2024 by pimpin4rizeal

[bugenhagen]

2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I always find it funny when people go “don’t you feel sorry for him?”

No, not really. He’s considerably richer and he’ll still get a nice contract at another club if we ship him on.

Guess I just had a bit of empaty with a player getting injured, don't care about his wages and didn't ask anyone to feel sorry for him.

 

2 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I get the impression there’s a lot of sentimentality with Ross Stewart because he was a RM signing. To ship him on would be to admit a mistake.

Only supporters think like this...

[bugenhagen]

Lets get this thread back on track.

Anybody heard anything? Two weeks?

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

13 hours ago, bugenhagen said:

Lets get this thread back on track.

Anybody heard anything? Two weeks?

Nope and frankly watching his touch in the games he has played so far, I'd rate him miles behind Archer and Tall Paul and that's not setting the bar very high.

[FarehamSaintJames]

He needed to go out on loan. He just isn’t a Premier League player.