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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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  On 16/03/2025 at 22:31, SaintNewForest said:

Larios played today.

Stewart had a bit of a reaction after that game, so they've slowed down his recovery time according to Alfie at the Echo. 

https://x.com/AlfieHouseEcho/status/1901242498061603232?t=mdMl8EwMjNZOwwjr_SSYTg&s=19

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Slowed it down to "given up"? 

I'm still not passing judgement on Larios yet, when he's played he's actually looked OK and that was when he was much younger. Although perhaps we need to just write him off as a crock instead of a lack of ability. 

bobby_charles

bobby_charles

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I honestly do wonder what this guy is thinking, his contract is up next year, he wont feature in future plans unless he springs up between now and the start of the champ season. He realistically needs to start planning for life outside of football or he may end up doing a stuey and entering tryouts because noone is going to sign a guy with such  a poor injury and recovery record.
It must really be shit to know you have 14 months of your career left before being dropped into the wild,  he has world class medical staff around him now and still cant go more than 45 minutes in a reserves game without extended time out.

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 06/04/2025 at 12:38, aintforever said:

Wasn’t it this time last year he was finally fit enough to play?

Cunt is stealing a living.

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Why label him a 'cunt' or 'stealing a living'?

He isn't deliberately getting injured!

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 06/04/2025 at 12:43, Matthew Le God said:

Why label him a 'cunt' of 'stealing a living'?

He isn't deliberately getting injured!

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It is taking the piss now though. Perry Groves had a single injury, J Rod got an infection on the operating table and adjustment injuries. This is a catalogue, although what the hell Saints thought they were doing buying someone not yet recovered from the one injury worse than an ACL is beyond any reason. 

Club needs to be ruthless - 50% of final year paid up and contract termination. Given the lack of presence even at Staplewood with the first team group that’s justifiable, actually it’s fairly generous given he’s featured for around 150 minutes in 2 whole years,

Most of us have to go out and earn a living. With his sickness and absence record we’d all be on the dole without the millions of pounds in salary. His playing career is over at any serious level, go out and make a new one. 

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 06/04/2025 at 15:42, Gloucester Saint said:

It is taking the piss now though. Perry Groves had a single injury, J Rod got an infection on the operating table and adjustment injuries. This is a catalogue, although what the hell Saints thought they were doing buying someone not yet recovered from the one injury worse than an ACL is beyond any reason. 

Club needs to be ruthless - 50% of final year paid up and contract termination. Given the lack of presence even at Staplewood with the first team group that’s justifiable.

Most of us have to go out and earn a living. With his sickness and absence record we’d all be on the dole without the millions of pounds in salary. His playing career is over at any serious level, go out and make a new one. 

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I think it’d be nice of you to sell me your house at half its market value.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 06/04/2025 at 15:42, Gloucester Saint said:

It is taking the piss now though. Perry Groves had a single injury, J Rod got an infection on the operating table and adjustment injuries. This is a catalogue, although what the hell Saints thought they were doing buying someone not yet recovered from the one injury worse than an ACL is beyond any reason. 

Club needs to be ruthless - 50% of final year paid up and contract termination. Given the lack of presence even at Staplewood with the first team group that’s justifiable.

Most of us have to go out and earn a living. With his sickness and absence record we’d all be on the dole without the millions of pounds in salary. His playing career is over at any serious level, go out and make a new one. 

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A contract is a contract.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 06/04/2025 at 15:42, Gloucester Saint said:

Club needs to be ruthless - 50% of final year paid up and contract termination. Given the lack of presence even at Staplewood with the first team group that’s justifiable.

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It is not justifiable. You can't just terminate a contract by only paying off 50% of it if there is not stating of that in the contract or the player doesn't agree to it.

What incentive does he have to accept that? Especially given he is now fit enough to play for us.

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 06/04/2025 at 15:47, Matthew Le God said:

It is not justifiable. You can't just terminate a contract by only paying off 50% of it if there is not stating of that in the contract or the player doesn't agree to it.

What incentive does he have to accept that? Especially given he is now fit enough to play for us.

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How often has that been over the last 2 years? How many first team games has he been available for? I don’t think he’s played many u23 games has he to get fitter? 

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 06/04/2025 at 15:47, Gloucester Saint said:

Not if someone isn’t able to actually perform it or be available to do so. 

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  On 06/04/2025 at 15:49, Gloucester Saint said:

How often has that been over the last 2 years? How many first team games has he been available for? I don’t think he’s played many u23 games has he to get fitter? 

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Unless his contract has appearance abased clauses, none of that means anything.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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The whole transfer still stinks as well, the Head of Recruitment buys a totally knackered player who can barely walk without spraining something from the selling club where the manager is his brother. SR really did get their pants pulled down especially badly on this deal.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 06/04/2025 at 15:51, Lighthouse said:

 

Unless his contract has appearance abased clauses, none of that means anything.

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It’s what I’d have done given his injury record, anyone with contracts experience would do. Bet SR haven’t though, Ankerson is clueless around aspects of the business like that. Bet Phil Giles did all of the ops at Brentford. Big wage rise from the £7k or so p/w he was allegedly on Sunderland but you’ve got to be fit and motivated to get the appearances to get a shot at the PL.

Thankfully it’s the club’s headache not ours. 

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 06/04/2025 at 15:49, Gloucester Saint said:

How often has that been over the last 2 years? How many first team games has he been available for? I don’t think he’s played many u23 games has he to get fitter? 

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What incentive does he have to accept losing 50% of his contracted income?

U21s not u23s

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imadirtyurchin

imadirtyurchin

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Back for just long enough to remind the hierarchy that he’s here - so that they “don’t need to buy a new striker” before getting injured watching TV and disappearing for another 2 years. 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 06/04/2025 at 16:11, Matthew Le God said:

What incentive does he have to accept losing 50% of his contracted income?

U21s not u23s

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U21/U23 doesn’t matter, it’s babies football. We are not talking about the old robust Central League Liverpool, Utd, City players got back from injury in during the 1980s. 

Incentive? Get away from an environment with good money behind him, one which isn’t pushing him at all it seems to get fit, build strength and revive his career albeit at a much lower level. He hasn’t played really in 3 years, his conditioning will have gone completely through lack of matches. You only have to look at the physique of Will Smallbone to see how un-focussed, uncaring and un-ambitious the club is. 

Take an expenses-only spell over the summer in the MLS or Scandinavian leagues, get some minutes under your belt, train competitively, maybe even the odd goal. 

If he has the final year of his contract sitting on his arse again, that’s four years out and career over. Comes down to his appetite and professionalism. 

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 06/04/2025 at 17:55, Gloucester Saint said:

Incentive? Get away from an environment with good money behind him, one which isn’t pushing him at all it seems to get fit, build strength and revive his career albeit at a much lower level. He hasn’t played really in 3 years, his conditioning will have gone completely through lack of matches.

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He literally played for our first team today!

He could be a useful player next season in the Championship on a large wage. There is no incentive for him to do as suggested and give up 50% of the money he signed up to receive!

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 06/04/2025 at 18:00, Matthew Le God said:

He literally played for our first team today!

He could be a useful player next season in the Championship on a large wage. There is no incentive for him to do as suggested and give up 50% of the money he signed up to receive!

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What % of that has been the case in the last 3 years, for Saints and Sunderland?

if he stays for the final 12 months of his contract then he is literally a bonus player. The club can’t use the excuse of saying ‘we can’t sign striker X because we have Ross Stewart’. He can’t be part of the planning whatsoever but if he can contribute meaningfully it’s a nice to have. 

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saintant

saintant

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  On 06/04/2025 at 18:51, Pamplemousse said:

With a full pre-season under his belt and injury free, he can easily get us a lot of goals next season.

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A full and proper pre-season will benefit the whole squad not just Stewart. Hopefully we'll have someone in charge who realises the importance.

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 06/04/2025 at 19:48, Convict Colony said:

Am sure I've done this joke before but i thought he was called Loch Ness cos he was scottish not that we see him once in a blue moon then disappears.

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Bro is sick, gonna score bare goals in the championship, he will be our top G

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ApprenticeBillionaire

ApprenticeBillionaire

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  On 08/04/2025 at 06:13, Matthew Le God said:

 

He'll be on a lot more than £20k p/w 

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At what point does it become chronically awkward for a player knowing full well they're absolutely stealing a living?

People saying a "contract is a contract" but at what point does it become awkwardly embarrassing for a player that wouldn't make them knock on the gaffers door and say "ok let's work something out"...

I personally couldn't continue to take a full wage knowing fully bloody well I'm not fit for purpose.

If we've handed this guy a full contract with no appearance clauses in it, then that's breathtakingly stupid given his injury record.

But for me, there has to be a point where personal fucking pride from the player kicks in... Because this is absolutely pathetic and farcical now.

Harold K Steptoe

Harold K Steptoe

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  On 08/04/2025 at 06:33, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

At what point does it become chronically awkward for a player knowing full well they're absolutely stealing a living?

People saying a "contract is a contract" but at what point does it become awkwardly embarrassing for a player that wouldn't make them knock on the gaffers door and say "ok let's work something out"...

I personally couldn't continue to take a full wage knowing fully bloody well I'm not fit for purpose.

If we've handed this guy a full contract with no appearance clauses in it, then that's breathtakingly stupid given his injury record.

But for me, there has to be a point where personal fucking pride from the player kicks in... Because this is absolutely pathetic and farcical now.

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Why not, how many players go to a club and are happy to sit on a bench and never play and earn 4 times the wage of the previous club they were a regular starter at.

It's There

It's There

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I don't get the pile on on Ross S. He's now fit, in the squad and available. I'm sure he's hated being injured and not able to help the team, especially this season when we needed him. Don't blame him for being bought and bring paid what he is. 

I back him to score goals, at least 10 , next season!

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BarberSaint

BarberSaint

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  On 08/04/2025 at 06:33, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

At what point does it become chronically awkward for a player knowing full well they're absolutely stealing a living?

People saying a "contract is a contract" but at what point does it become awkwardly embarrassing for a player that wouldn't make them knock on the gaffers door and say "ok let's work something out"...

I personally couldn't continue to take a full wage knowing fully bloody well I'm not fit for purpose.

If we've handed this guy a full contract with no appearance clauses in it, then that's breathtakingly stupid given his injury record.

But for me, there has to be a point where personal fucking pride from the player kicks in... Because this is absolutely pathetic and farcical now.

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I think you're talking about a thing called a 'conscience'. They're no longer in fashion, soz.

 

I don't know if it's quite the same with RS in his situation. The closest comparator I can think of is Sam McQueen and he gave it five years and didn't get close to coming back whereas RS kind of has. SM was also younger and came across as being quite thoughtful. No idea of RS' situation but I assume at some point he'll have to start to think about things longer-term, probably at the next injury date. And we don't know what these injuries are, either.  Larios now appears to be playing regularly a bit and he's been off for a very long time too (but he's also younger). 

I'd probably have to wait until the middle of next year to see how they've done. Another (genuine) injury might prompt concern about them possessing the requisite conditioning/physical capability which they themselves will have to address.

saintant

saintant

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  On 08/04/2025 at 06:33, ApprenticeBillionaire said:

At what point does it become chronically awkward for a player knowing full well they're absolutely stealing a living?

People saying a "contract is a contract" but at what point does it become awkwardly embarrassing for a player that wouldn't make them knock on the gaffers door and say "ok let's work something out"...

I personally couldn't continue to take a full wage knowing fully bloody well I'm not fit for purpose.

If we've handed this guy a full contract with no appearance clauses in it, then that's breathtakingly stupid given his injury record.

But for me, there has to be a point where personal fucking pride from the player kicks in... Because this is absolutely pathetic and farcical now.

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Who in their right mind knocks on the manager's door and asks him to arrange for cancellation of his 20k plus weekly salary? I suspect nobody on this forum would even contemplate such an action were they in Stewart's shoes.

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Osvaldorama

Osvaldorama

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Yeah that’s a ludicrous idea. 
 

If that was me I’d be ringing the shit out of the contract for all it’s worth. Will never get the chance to earn that money again. Fair play to him. 
 

Just a shame our recruitment team are so stupid 

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ApprenticeBillionaire

ApprenticeBillionaire

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  On 08/04/2025 at 08:50, saintant said:

Who in their right mind knocks on the manager's door and asks him to arrange for cancellation of his 20k plus weekly salary? I suspect nobody on this forum would even contemplate such an action were they in Stewart's shoes.

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Yes because that's exactly what I said isn't it.

 

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