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7 minutes ago, trousers said:

I know I'm prone to have a subtle pop from time-to-time at the journos that cover Saints, but why (oh why) don't they probe the club more often in situations such as this? Week in, week out at pre-match press conferences they trot out the obligatory: "Any injury news?" question, and when the response from the manager inevitibaly makes no mention of Stewart's injury status (nor Larios's for that matter) no-one pipes up to ask for an actual explanation on why a "calf injury" has seemingly not healed in 5 months (and counting)....

 

 

a quick Google has the NHS website telling me that a "nasty torn calf muscle could take up to three months to heal". That might require surgery, three weeks in a fixed cast and three weeks in a stretchy cast followed by light pysical activity.  Your guess is as good as mine why, 5 months later, there is still no sign of him.

steve green

steve green

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14 minutes ago, trousers said:

I know I'm prone to have a subtle pop from time-to-time at the journos that cover Saints, but why (oh why) don't they probe the club more often in situations such as this? Week in, week out at pre-match press conferences they trot out the obligatory: "Any injury news?" question, and when the response from the manager inevitibaly makes no mention of Stewart's injury status (nor Larios's for that matter) no-one pipes up to ask for an actual explanation on why a "calf injury" has seemingly not healed in 5 months (and counting)....

 

Maybe he was trampled by a 'calf'.

 

Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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Club can attempt to reach a negotiated settlement but if he isn’t anywhere fit for the level they are playing at there’s the frustration option to terminate the contract if the player and agent won’t play ball. Same as Larios. Time to be business-like but reasonable.

Not good for the players’ mental health just cluttering the place with no prospect of what they originally sought to do for a living. After insurance they could play again at more appropriate level - Spanish lower semi-pro leagues or lower Scottish leagues or an ambitious non league outfit like South Shields for Stewart as high as the insurer will allow.

Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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7 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I can honestly say I'd forgotten all about him.

Can’t be good for anybody. Ross needs to move on with the next stage of his life with a very positive bank balance behind him to invest in the future and still play football if he’s able up to the standard defined by the insurers which could be as high as the 5th tier. 

Fitzhugh Fella

Fitzhugh Fella

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When at Staplewood last week I was told maybe 4 weeks away. Also Larios was working hard in the gym.

I feel for Stewart. He didn't ask for any of this, he didn't set his transfer fee and no doubt he's as pissed off as we are about what's been happening.

It was a gamble and one we lost. The shortages of number nines makes me think it was a gamble worth taking at the time.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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8 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

When at Staplewood last week I was told maybe 4 weeks away. Also Larios was working hard in the gym.

I feel for Stewart. He didn't ask for any of this, he didn't set his transfer fee and no doubt he's as pissed off as we are about what's been happening.

It was a gamble and one we lost. The shortages of number nines makes me think it was a gamble worth taking at the time.

Thanks Duncan for sharing. Between him and Larios they’ve missed 5 seasons of football pretty much, it’s near-impossible to catch up. J Rod missed two with us but that was mainly surgical infections I gather from his ACL (which I still shudder having seen it happen) and then compensatory ankle issue. With Ross Stewart, it doesn’t seem seem to be just the hamstring tear following the Achilles. 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

Stewart, Larios, ABK, Ryan Fraser, Charlie Taylor and Flynn Downes, how much are we paying players who contribute absolutely nothing?

Fraser and Taylor are fit, they just aren’t fancied by current (Fraser) nor previous management (Taylor both) as far as I’m aware. Downes is a personnel/attitudinal issue, ABK possibly ditto although the summer medical transfer saga hasn’t helped, so I’d say Stewart and Larios are the two who haven’t been in the picture for selection for any longer than the odd week since 2023 and 2022 respectively.

If they don’t want to retire and the insurer report says then can still cut it in the top 3 divisions, then loan them out with an under-write if they break down again long-term. At least we might get some wages if someone wants to gamble.

The club has got hooked on cheap, risky transfers. The odd one works - Danny Ings - but one spectacular success doesn’t make a strategy. In the same way Livramento didn’t justify three years of buying ECL club fringe much younger players en masse without thinking about how they fit your team structure and tactics.

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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48 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Fraser and Taylor are fit, they just aren’t fancied by current (Fraser) nor previous management (Taylor both) as far as I’m aware. Downes is a personnel/attitudinal issue, ABK possibly ditto although the summer medical transfer saga hasn’t helped, so I’d say Stewart and Larios are the two who haven’t been in the picture for selection for any longer than the odd week since 2023 and 2022 respectively.

If they don’t want to retire and the insurer report says then can still cut it in the top 3 divisions, then loan them out with an under-write if they break down again long-term. At least we might get some wages if someone wants to gamble.

The club has got hooked on cheap, risky transfers. The odd one works - Danny Ings - but one spectacular success doesn’t make a strategy. In the same way Livramento didn’t justify three years of buying ECL club fringe much younger players en masse without thinking about how they fit your team structure and tactics.

There was a piece in the Echo regarding Fraser’s recent return to fitness, which was news to me. Unless it was code for something else. 

Bakovnetski

Bakovnetski

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18 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Stewart, Larios, ABK, Ryan Fraser, Charlie Taylor and Flynn Downes, how much are we paying players who contribute absolutely nothing?

You can add Lallana to that list

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Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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19 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said:

You can add Lallana to that list

Oh I don’t know - that seems a little rough on the lad. He’s a huge voice in the dressing room. Apparently.

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Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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54 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Oh I don’t know - that seems a little rough on the lad. He’s a huge voice in the dressing room. Apparently.

Can’t be that huge with a massive 9 points can it 🙂
At Palace he came on and of the 7 touches he had he gave away 6 times.

A waste of wages and squad place a typical example of the fck up this season on and off the pitch

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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8 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Can’t be that huge with a massive 9 points can it 🙂
At Palace he came on and of the 7 touches he had he gave away 6 times.

A waste of wages and squad place a typical example of the fck up this season on and off the pitch

Don’t forget him being brought on in the 87th minute against Brentford, where his calming influence and leadership helped us to concede only two more goals in injury time.

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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20 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

When at Staplewood last week I was told maybe 4 weeks away. Also Larios was working hard in the gym.

I feel for Stewart. He didn't ask for any of this, he didn't set his transfer fee and no doubt he's as pissed off as we are about what's been happening.

It was a gamble and one we lost. The shortages of number nines makes me think it was a gamble worth taking at the time.

I can't help but feel sorry for him on a personal level as well, but taking that out of it I think the club do need to be a bit ruthless with him in the summer - just so we can move on not have him taking up wage and squad space.

2 weeks becomes 4 weeks, which becomes months for Ross - it's terrible for him, but we need to be realistic with him as well (so do the doctors around him). He's barley kicked a ball for 3 years, there is no feasible way he returns to the top level to be able to contribute in any meaningful way - his body will have lost all the conditioning and he'll always be susceptible. I genuinely think for his sake he should retire and focus on a life beyond playing football, it'll be better for his mind I'm sure.

Similar has to be said of Larios too - he's a bit of a worse case because he's so, so slight in himself anyway. I just don't see how his body will ever be able to sustain professional football.

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Pamplemousse

Pamplemousse

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In the brief times we've seen Stewart he's looked pretty good, I'd say just forget about this season and focus on him having an injury-free pre season.

This all started when Martin rushed him back too soon at the start of last season.

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spyinthesky

spyinthesky

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2 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

In the brief times we've seen Stewart he's looked pretty good, I'd say just forget about this season and focus on him having an injury-free pre season.

This all started when Martin rushed him back too soon at the start of last season.

As i have mentioned before the Sunderland fans I have spoken to all reckon that Roscoe is the real deal (albeit at Championship level) when fit.

It begs the question how many players have returned to full fitness after such a long time out of the game.

With regard to Larios, I cant see him finding a place in the team if he ever regains a semblance of fitness.

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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5 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I can't help but feel sorry for him on a personal level as well, but taking that out of it I think the club do need to be a bit ruthless with him in the summer - just so we can move on not have him taking up wage and squad space.

 

Ruthless how? They can't breach his perfectly valid contract.

The best they can do is not give him a squad number to free that space up.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Ruthless how? They can't breach his perfectly valid contract.

The best they can do is not give him a squad number to free that space up.

Not by sending the boys round to threaten to hurt his legs. Not only wrong, but probably wouldn't be noticed.

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beatlesaint

beatlesaint

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7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Let's not rule him out completely. If he avoids injury (that is a big if), he could be very useful next season.

Stewart and Larios playing for the under 21s today...

 

I have absolutely no doubt he could be more than useful next season but, as you say, its a big IF......a very big IF !

Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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13 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I have absolutely no doubt he could be more than useful next season but, as you say, its a big IF......a very big IF !

Not after 3 years of not playing first team football effectively. 

suewhistle

suewhistle

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3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Let's not rule him out completely. If he avoids injury (that is a big if), he could be very useful next season.

Stewart and Larios playing for the under 21s today...

He didn't score.. 3-3 draw as per our uninformative OS.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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3 hours ago, trousers said:

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It's an interesting idea, but would the linesman let Stewart enter the field of play with wheels instead of legs.

There's also player welfare to consider. Here's the last player to have this done, now in old age.

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Yes, the tortoise is the one Russell Martin tried to sign, saying he had the perfect pace for his system.

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Turkish

Turkish

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3 hours ago, WALK DMC said:

Interestingly Udoh scored two goals .... 

our €5m signing from the French 3rd tier played too. Nearly £20m of players starting for the U21s with about 4 first team games between them

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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28 minutes ago, Turkish said:

our €5m signing from the French 3rd tier played too.

with about 4 first team games between them

Kayi Sanda has not cost that much (yet). That is the potential total fee if all conditions are met, which has not yet happened.

At the age of only 18 he already has 31 first-team appearances.

Turkish

Turkish

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3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Kayi Sanda has not cost that much (yet). That is the potential total fee if all conditions are met, which has not yet happened.

At the age of only 18 he already has 31 first-team appearances.

I meant for Saints obviously, not in the French third division, or Ross Stewart who has played over 200 times for other clubs 🙄

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I meant for Saints obviously, not in the French third division, or Ross Stewart who has played over 200 times for other clubs 🙄

Why are you seemingly complaining an 18-year-old signing who has not cost €5m (yet and possibly never will) has not played for our first team?

Plus 20 of those 31 were in the 2nd tier (when he was 16/17 years old).

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