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verlaine1979

verlaine1979

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  On 27/12/2024 at 01:02, chiknsmack said:

We didn't miss out on Gakpo and Ramos by much. If either of those had gotten across the line we'd never have heard of Onuachu/Sulemana/Orsic, and only possibly heard of BBD/Archer/Stewart after selling Gakpo or Ramos for big money (even then we probably would've aimed higher).

There's not much wrong with the scouting, it's the final decision-makers who leave a lot to be desired.

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Those would be the players who ended up at Liverpool and PSG within a window of us declaring our interest? That Gakpo and Ramos?

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 26/12/2024 at 11:30, Turkish said:

He’s another sad indictment of our terrible transfers over the last few years 

with him, Onacachu, Sulemana, Edozie, Bretaron-Diaz, Archer, Mara and Orsic you’ve got nearly £100m of attackers there signed in the the last 3 seasons who have made little to no impact at all.

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Yep, and if you go back only slightly further you get Carrillo and Armstrong. Add on another £40m. At least AA did the business in the Champ even if hopeless in the PL.

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 27/12/2024 at 09:38, Gloucester Saint said:

Yep, and if you go back only slightly further you get Carrillo and Armstrong. Add on another £40m. At least AA did the business in the Champ even if hopeless in the PL.

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every club can point to bad signings but there cant be many others that have spent big (relatively for us) money so badly. I remember one game when we went down last time and most of the players on the bench had at one point been our record signing. You've got the likes of Sulemana, Vestergaard, Carillo & Elyanoussi who were all big money signings for us and you could tell immediately were absolutely shite. Then there were others like Hoedt, Lemina, ABK who had something about them but were bellends (ABK stuff is rumours) and only turned up when they felt like it. How many "big money" signings have we made that have actually worked out? They generally not even been half decent, they've been shite for one reason or another.

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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  On 27/12/2024 at 10:25, Turkish said:

every club can point to bad signings but there cant be many others that have spent big (relatively for us) money so badly. I remember one game when we went down last time and most of the players on the bench had at one point been our record signing. You've got the likes of Sulemana, Vestergaard, Carillo & Elyanoussi who were all big money signings for us and you could tell immediately were absolutely shite. Then there were others like Hoedt, Lemina, ABK who had something about them but were bellends (ABK stuff is rumours) and only turned up when they felt like it. How many "big money" signings have we made that have actually worked out? They generally not even been half decent, they've been shite for one reason or another.

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Agree with most of that, but Hoedt was dogshit because he is dogshit.  Nothing to do with attitude.

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 27/12/2024 at 11:37, Wade Garrett said:

Agree with most of that, but Hoedt was dogshit because he is dogshit.  Nothing to do with attitude.

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Hoedt was one i wasn't sure which bucket to put him in. When he arrived he had been making the Dutch squad, he'd played six time that same year and was highly rated, it felt like we'd signed a decent player.  But it quickly became apparent he was a bellend who thought he was way better than he was. I guess the proof is there that after leaving us he never really cut it anywhere and ended up in the championship, now in Saudi league. 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 27/12/2024 at 11:37, Wade Garrett said:

Agree with most of that, but Hoedt was dogshit because he is dogshit.  Nothing to do with attitude.

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Had the odd good game eg Swansea away at tail end of 17/18 to keep us up but on the whole, Champ with Watford is the right level. Pure senility to think that he was worth £17m from Lazio’s fringe squad which is about £30-35m in todays money.

Edit - didn’t know he’d gone to Saudi but explains why Watford are doing much better! Wesley never stays anywhere long before stinking the place out.

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chiknsmack

chiknsmack

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  On 27/12/2024 at 05:56, verlaine1979 said:

Those would be the players who ended up at Liverpool and PSG within a window of us declaring our interest? That Gakpo and Ramos?

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Yes. The Gakpo that almost came to us or Leeds until Dutch national team coach Louis Van Gaal told him to stay in the Netherlands until after the World Cup, where he scored three goals and caught the eye of Liverpool. And the Ramos that almost came to us until Benfica qualified for the Champions League group stages, decided to keep him, and he too scored three goals at the World Cup.

It's not unthinkable that such players can end up at Saints. In fact that's SR's whole goal; find (and sign) players who within a window or two are wanted at Liverpool and PSG. As I said the scouting team are pretty good at the finding, but whoever does the signing part leaves a lot to be desired.

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St. Ciervo

St. Ciervo

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I wonder if Gakpo or Ramos would have hit such heights if they came here instead. Sulemana has been used incorrectly for his entire time here. He is pure speed, but we have been asking him to play with his back to the goal. I am sure we could have equally mismanaged either of those other 2 players. 

Edit: My post had nothing to do with RS... He could be managed by any one of us.

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verlaine1979

verlaine1979

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  On 28/12/2024 at 03:18, chiknsmack said:

Yes. The Gakpo that almost came to us or Leeds until Dutch national team coach Louis Van Gaal told him to stay in the Netherlands until after the World Cup, where he scored three goals and caught the eye of Liverpool. And the Ramos that almost came to us until Benfica qualified for the Champions League group stages, decided to keep him, and he too scored three goals at the World Cup.

It's not unthinkable that such players can end up at Saints. In fact that's SR's whole goal; find (and sign) players who within a window or two are wanted at Liverpool and PSG. As I said the scouting team are pretty good at the finding, but whoever does the signing part leaves a lot to be desired.

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Lol, yup, Van Gaal told Gakpo he was already better than us and Leeds, and so it proved - quickly. Didn't he score a hattrick in the game when we were all waiting to see if he'd sign after full time?

I've seen the Saints PR machine in action too many times to be taken in by those kinds of rumours. It'll be a long, long time before we're anywhere close to taking PSV or Benfica's best players off their hands.

Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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  On 28/12/2024 at 03:46, St. Ciervo said:

I wonder if Gakpo or Ramos would have hit such heights if they came here instead. Sulemana has been used incorrectly for his entire time here. He is pure speed, but we have been asking him to play with his back to the goal. I am sure we could have equally mismanaged either of those other 2 players. 

Edit: My post had nothing to do with RS... He could be managed by any one of us.

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Used incorrectly…..he has had so many opportunities and pure speed?

Sorry apart from one end of season friendly what has he delivered? He has played wide not down the middle and not back to goal he gets the ball facing the defender and stops and never uses that speed by going past a defender.

Sorry not having he has been used incorrectly at all. 

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John B

John B

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  On 27/12/2024 at 10:25, Turkish said:

every club can point to bad signings but there cant be many others that have spent big (relatively for us) money so badly. I remember one game when we went down last time and most of the players on the bench had at one point been our record signing. You've got the likes of Sulemana, Vestergaard, Carillo & Elyanoussi who were all big money signings for us and you could tell immediately were absolutely shite. Then there were others like Hoedt, Lemina, ABK who had something about them but were bellends (ABK stuff is rumours) and only turned up when they felt like it. How many "big money" signings have we made that have actually worked out? They generally not even been half decent, they've been shite for one reason or another.

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Put it another way who apart from Livramento KWP Ramsdale and probably Lavia who turned out to be consistent genuine PL players in the last few years.

Also what PL players has the academy produced recently

 

I think the answers to my questions and the selection of managers will prove why we are in the shit

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St. Ciervo

St. Ciervo

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  On 28/12/2024 at 07:37, Give it to Ron said:

Used incorrectly…..he has had so many opportunities and pure speed?

Sorry apart from one end of season friendly what has he delivered? He has played wide not down the middle and not back to goal he gets the ball facing the defender and stops and never uses that speed by going past a defender.

Sorry not having he has been used incorrectly at all. 

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Sure we sat him in a wide position, but rarely (if ever) did we play a long ball to him to chase. This is a kid that will go for cheap somewhere else and find joy. I hope sooner than later for all of us. 

trousers

trousers

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Appreciate I've asked this before but can't remember the answer (if any was forthcoming)...

- What injury does Stewart currently have?

- is his current injury related to his previous injury(s)?

ErwinK1961

ErwinK1961

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  On 29/12/2024 at 10:03, trousers said:

Appreciate I've asked this before but can't remember the answer (if any was forthcoming)...

- What injury does Stewart currently have?

- is his current injury related to his previous injury(s)?

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My understanding was it’s a hamstring injury. Not uncommon for prior injuries to cause new ones due to weakness/adjustment etc.

That being said, wasn’t his lengthy spell out last season (after his initial comeback from the long term Achilles) Hamstring related?

I suspect there is a lot more to it and we’ll never find out the whole truth. Shame really, at the end of the hilarious jokes and club derision for money wasted, there’s a clearly talented footballer whose lost the best years of his career and may not play seriously again.

 

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suewhistle

suewhistle

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At least I know he's not some figment of somebody's imagination as I actually saw him on Thursday, on his way to sit with the other unselected players in the Itchen stand. He's at least able to walk without a limp..

Badger

Badger

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  On 29/12/2024 at 17:41, Pamplemousse said:

He was actually doing OK before his injury. He could hold the ball up which is more than Tall Paul is able to achieve.

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In which 20 minute cameo was that, Huddersfield (a), or WBA (a) ?

Rephrase as : he held the ball up in a game for us once.

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Nordic Saint

Nordic Saint

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  On 29/12/2024 at 13:08, suewhistle said:

At least I know he's not some figment of somebody's imagination as I actually saw him on Thursday, on his way to sit with the other unselected players in the Itchen stand. He's at least able to walk without a limp..

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That's a great tribute to our medical staff here. I bet he's glad he came.

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spyinthesky

spyinthesky

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Good job we didnt shell out for Broja this season.
Looks like he might have another injury having been taken off  on a stretcher at Goodison Park this evening

Badger

Badger

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  On 09/01/2025 at 22:08, spyinthesky said:

Good job we didnt shell out for Broja this season.
Looks like he might have another injury having been taken off  on a stretcher at Goodison Park this evening

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I reckon £25-30m in the summer and SR should be able to bring him back. 

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lambtiss

lambtiss

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  On 09/01/2025 at 22:04, SambaMaverick said:

Who cares? He's finished

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Can't help but feel sorry for Ross Stewart as a person though. It's not his fault that we splashed out cash for him when his fitness was already suspect. I'm sure he has earned excellent wages but I'm also convinced that he has some miserable times not being able to play. 

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Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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  On 10/01/2025 at 13:31, lambtiss said:

Can't help but feel sorry for Ross Stewart as a person though. It's not his fault that we splashed out cash for him when his fitness was already suspect. I'm sure he has earned excellent wages but I'm also convinced that he has some miserable times not being able to play. 

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The book I'm Not Really Here, the autobiography of the former Man City and England under-21 striker Paul Lake, who sustained an ACL which ultimately ended his career, tells a very powerful story of how a serious injury can impact a professional in ways that go a long way beyond football. Often cited as one of, if not the best, footballer's autobiographies ever written. 

https://www.waterstones.com/book/im-not-really-here/paul-lake/9780099553250

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SambaMaverick

SambaMaverick

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  On 10/01/2025 at 13:31, lambtiss said:

Can't help but feel sorry for Ross Stewart as a person though. It's not his fault that we splashed out cash for him when his fitness was already suspect. I'm sure he has earned excellent wages but I'm also convinced that he has some miserable times not being able to play. 

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Yes, hopefully the club are giving him some good help.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 10/01/2025 at 14:47, Whitey Grandad said:

Doctor to patient, 

"I'm afraid you only have two weeks left to live"

Patient,

"Oh dear. In that case I'll have the last two weeks in August"

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Doctor: "I'm afraid you only have two weeks left to live"

Patient: "Is that a Ross Stewart 2 weeks, that could be decades?"

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Fitzhugh Fella

Fitzhugh Fella

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  On 10/01/2025 at 13:31, lambtiss said:

Can't help but feel sorry for Ross Stewart as a person though. It's not his fault that we splashed out cash for him when his fitness was already suspect. I'm sure he has earned excellent wages but I'm also convinced that he has some miserable times not being able to play. 

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Well said. I doubt anyone is as pissed off as he is. People often forget footballers are human beings.

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spyinthesky

spyinthesky

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I know it is unlikely to happen but I really hope that Ross Stewart makes a full recovery and provides a decent option as a central striker.

Meantime anyone know where he and Larios our 6th choice (ie behind KWP,(occasionally), Manning Taylor, Manning & Wellington stands in the recovery process?

Chez

Chez

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  On 12/01/2025 at 20:57, spyinthesky said:

I know it is unlikely to happen but I really hope that Ross Stewart makes a full recovery and provides a decent option as a central striker.

Meantime anyone know where he and Larios our 6th choice (ie behind KWP,(occasionally), Manning Taylor, Manning & Wellington stands in the recovery process?

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He's back some time during the middle two weeks of August, so I hear.

Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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  On 12/01/2025 at 20:57, spyinthesky said:

I know it is unlikely to happen but I really hope that Ross Stewart makes a full recovery and provides a decent option as a central striker.

Meantime anyone know where he and Larios our 6th choice (ie behind KWP,(occasionally), Manning Taylor, Manning & Wellington stands in the recovery process?

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Manning so good you counted him twice, eh?

Guest

Guest

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He’s almost certainly going to be released, loaned out or sold for pennies in the summer.

Poor signing all round.

Another Sport Republic masterclass.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 18/01/2025 at 22:38, chownie20 said:

Does anyone have any idea of he is nearing training? 

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Comedy Answer: Depends on how close the treatment room is to training.

  On 18/01/2025 at 22:53, ally_uk said:

If he is incapable of playing football due to long term injuries, release and move on why the silence ?

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Serious Answer: As an employee of the club, we have a duty of care to provide all reasonable options to aid recovery. As an employer of players in the future, it's not just duty of care, or wanting to do the right thing, but will also shows the support we would give any player who becomes injured. Within the recovery process, there may be difficult discussions should recovery, and to expected levels, become very unlikely. The club will be very careful around such issues, as you'd expect from any employer. Occasionally, it comes from the player or through medical advice.

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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  On 18/01/2025 at 23:52, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Comedy Answer: Depends on how close the treatment room is to training.

Serious Answer: As an employee of the club, we have a duty of care to provide all reasonable options to aid recovery. As an employer of players in the future, it's not just duty of care, or wanting to do the right thing, but will also shows the support we would give any player who becomes injured. Within the recovery process, there may be difficult discussions should recovery, and to expected levels, become very unlikely. The club will be very careful around such issues, as you'd expect from any employer. Occasionally, it comes from the player or through medical advice.

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is he an employee or a contractor?

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 19/01/2025 at 05:48, AlexLaw76 said:

is he an employee or a contractor?

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Employee on fixed term contract?

Edit : Google suggests employees : https://www.legislate.tech/post/footballer-employment-contracts

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All footballers are employees of their clubs. All Premier League and English Football League players are issued with a standard form employment agreement. When a footballer or an aspiring footballer is offered a professional contract with a club, the footballer's agent will normally negotiate only a few key clauses with the club, including the clauses relating to the player's salary and bonus and the duration of the contract. Most of the other provisions are standardised and are included in the employment agreements of all of the club's professional footballers. 

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I assumed they would all have some sort of tax loophole contracts, so I'm surprised about them being PAYE employees.  Their tax contributions must be eye watering.

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