Ross Stewart

[david in sweden]

  On 08/10/2023 at 16:04, lambtiss said:

David Hurst, Jamie Redknapp, Charlie Austin, Danny Ings

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Whoa ...hang on a bit...not altogether correct. 

David Hirst wasn't injured when we bought him in October 1987 and he played every game for the rest of that season and scored 9 times. 

the injury he sustained was in the following summer break when (daft) he was running in the forest and jammed his foot in a rabbit hole. ! 

..an injury he never recovered from as was forced to retire from top class football. 

Charlie Austin had a few recurring injuries but still managed a reasonable return (goals /games), but was a real menace to opposition defenders, 

although he had a reputation, but for the most part was just being " Charlie Austin ".

Danny Ings soldiered on despite other injuries (which were nothing to do with his knee problems), and virtually kept us up single-handedly for two seasons. 

Jamie Redknapp  may well have been a bad buy, but as his Dad (Harry) was manager at the time and had been given the keys to the bank vault it's not surprising

that Jamie joined as he wasn't playing regularly with Spurs at the time , but he did DAJFU when he did play. 

Our real problem has been buying players who don't fit into ...whatever system we were playing at the time.... Onuacho and Carrillo are  prime examples of this

but there have been others who really should never have been signed in the first place. 

 

Personally .. I'm a bit "old school" ....and like having a big man up front, but if Ross Stewart doesn't get a hatful of goals (as some seem to expect) it may be that

having a big man up front and no wingers to regularly supply him is a waste of time /money. 

Many people think we should have bought someone else to (go alongside / or instead of)  Ché Adams who, for all his sweat and effort isn't a big time striker.

Buying Adam Armstrong - when we did - was a wasted exercise when he was stuck out of the wing all the time and Adams had no help at all.  

[Miltonaggro]

  On 10/10/2023 at 05:48, CB Fry said:

Ross Stewart has played thirteen games at Championship level his entire life.

Piroe has played nearly 100 Championship matches and is scoring not far off 1 in 2, 46 goals.

It's not "hype", he's clearly a proven Championship level striker.

We've signed a proven League One striker with potential.

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Just think, had we signed Piroe his goal every two games might have offset Baz’s goal every two shots putting us comfortably in mid-table 😀

[The Kraken]

  On 10/10/2023 at 06:46, Turkish said:

It’s no wonder he didn’t join he was speaking to the wrong person at Saints

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That bloody Paul Wilcox has got a lot to answer for 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/54/8/480

[Saint Garrett]

I've no idea if it's true, and I'm just speculating, but given we had all this chatter about us signing half of Swansea, and we ended up with a grand total of 0 of their players. my gut feeling is that they wouldn't play ball with us after Russell Martin deal animosity.

Swans owner is known as a difficult bloke to deal with, but would explain why we didn't get Wood, Fulton, Grimes or Piroe. Grimes went as far as a medical too, and then signed a new contract at Swansea.

[gio1saints]

I need to have a look at how Sunderland got the best out of Him - what formations they used and so on. 

Because IF he is asked to play in the way we ask Che to play I’m not certain we are maximising our chances of getting added value. From him vs. Che.  

He may convert more on his personal XG but it’s not as if currently Che ( who we have to assume he’s been bought to replace not play alongside) is being put multiple chances on a plate every match in our current style. 
 

That being the case I can see that playing RS may possibly be the foot in the door to a more direct southampton playbook. Maybe the “plan B” that RM supposedly does not have - or is it he just did not have the right cf? 
 

Not ditching possession style but accelerating it vertically more oftenmay be our next evolution. Think most saints fans be happy with that. And, As Leeds fans used to say “ feed the yak” - to me it’s clear we need to feed our Loch Ness Drogba or not much will change. *
 

* meaning we still need to improve our goalscoring vs chances created. 

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[DT]

  On 10/10/2023 at 10:43, gio1saints said:

I need to have a look at how Sunderland got the best out of Him - what formations they used and so on. 

Because IF he is asked to play in the way we ask Che to play I’m not certain we are maximising our chances of getting added value. From him vs. Che.  

He may convert more on his personal XG but it’s not as if currently Che ( who we have to assume he’s been bought to replace not play alongside) is being put multiple chances on a plate every match in our current style. 
 

That being the case I can see that playing RS may possibly be the foot in the door to a more direct southampton playbook. Maybe the “plan B” that RM supposedly does not have - or is it he just did not have the right cf? 
 

Not ditching possession style but accelerating it vertically more oftenmay be our next evolution. Think most saints fans be happy with that. And, As Leeds fans used to say “ feed the yak” - to me it’s clear we need to feed our Loch Ness Drogba or not much will change. 

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If we ask him to play the way Che does he will just wander about a bit pretending he's too good for this league and that he wished he'd gone to Everton or whoever else whilst occasionally letting the ball hit his 50p head or scuffing a clear chance straight at the keeper. So that will be good.

The team looks so much better without Adams anywhere near a starting berth. I hope Stewart is an old fashioned, direct striker who knows how to kick a ball roughly at the goal, and not how to miss sitters from one yard out in crucial matches. Personally am quite optimistic about him, but like others cannot really understand why we didn't go for Piroe (sufficiently). Was clearly the right choice. As will be getting a no-nonsense keeper in January (not that we will do that as we are allergic to decent keepers and have been for a decade)

[Saint Fan CaM]

I think the key thing I want to see from Ross is movement in the box, getting ahead of his marker…something Adams rarely seems capable of. If he can do this then I can see him being more successful than both Adams and Arma.

[david in sweden]

  On 10/10/2023 at 07:50, The Kraken said:

That bloody Paul Wilcox has got a lot to answer for 

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......Maybe we should blame Jason Wilcox instead? 

[pimpin4rizeal]

  On 10/10/2023 at 05:48, CB Fry said:

Ross Stewart has played thirteen games at Championship level his entire life.

Piroe has played nearly 100 Championship matches and is scoring not far off 1 in 2, 46 goals.

It's not "hype", he's clearly a proven Championship level striker.

We've signed a proven League One striker with potential.

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But in that 13 games he scored 10 times, he was killing it,sounds very lambert like In style and clinical 

Sunderland fans thought he’s premiership quality 

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/ross-stewart.1586812/

[The Kraken]

  On 10/10/2023 at 14:29, david in sweden said:

......Maybe we should blame Jason Wilcox instead? 

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Yes David. That was indeed my point.

Fuck me.

[notnowcato]

  On 10/10/2023 at 11:19, Saint Fan CaM said:

I think the key thing I want to see from Ross is movement in the box, getting ahead of his marker…something Adams rarely seems capable of. If he can do this then I can see him being more successful than both Adams and Arma.

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He seems to have a knack of being in space in the penalty box, he's a calm finisher and very handy in the air, needs to prove it at this level but looks like he possibly could.

[Saint Fan CaM]

  On 10/10/2023 at 15:16, notnowcato said:

He seems to have a knack of being in space in the penalty box, he's a calm finisher and very handy in the air, needs to prove it at this level but looks like he possibly could.

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He’ll need to be given the service that suits his ability otherwise he’ll end up looking as lost as our other strikers. It will be very interesting to see how he adapts to RMball.

[CB Fry]

  On 10/10/2023 at 14:42, pimpin4rizeal said:

But in that 13 games he scored 10 times, he was killing it,sounds very lambert like In style and clinical 

Sunderland fans thought he’s premiership quality 

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/ross-stewart.1586812/

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Yes, fine. But that's "hype" because at the moment he's only played a handful of matches at this level.

46 goals in 100-odd games is not "hype", it's "proven".

I'm happy with Stewart and looking forward to him replacing Che Adams forever.

[Turkish]

  On 10/10/2023 at 14:29, david in sweden said:

......Maybe we should blame Jason Wilcox instead? 

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why? He had nothing to do with it. 

[disconnect]

Soooo... How far away is he from actually playing for us?!

[notnowcato]

  On 10/10/2023 at 15:54, Saint Fan CaM said:

He’ll need to be given the service that suits his ability otherwise he’ll end up looking as lost as our other strikers. It will be very interesting to see how he adapts to RMball.

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Che had 2 great chances to score with headers on Saturday. Ross will hopefully do better. 

[david in sweden]

  On 10/10/2023 at 14:57, The Kraken said:

Yes David. That was indeed my point.

Fuck me.

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my comment was based on the fact that I didn't know who Paul Wilcox was ? 

[david in sweden]

  On 10/10/2023 at 10:48, DT said:

If we ask him to play the way Che does he will just wander about a bit pretending he's too good for this league and that he wished he'd gone to Everton or whoever else whilst occasionally letting the ball hit his 50p head or scuffing a clear chance straight at the keeper. So that will be good.

The team looks so much better without Adams anywhere near a starting berth. I hope Stewart is an old fashioned, direct striker who knows how to kick a ball roughly at the goal, and not how to miss sitters from one yard out in crucial matches. Personally am quite optimistic about him, but like others cannot really understand why we didn't go for Piroe (sufficiently). Was clearly the right choice. As will be getting a no-nonsense keeper in January (not that we will do that as we are allergic to decent keepers and have been for a decade)

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After last Saturday's game, I'd take another look at the Rotherham keeper who saved them on several occasions.

[beatlesaint]

  On 11/10/2023 at 07:31, david in sweden said:

my comment was based on the fact that I didn't know who Paul Wilcox was ? 

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She was in Man About The House with Richard O'Sullivan and is now in Corrie 🤪 

[Badger]

  On 11/10/2023 at 07:33, david in sweden said:

After last Saturday's game, I'd take another look at the Rotherham keeper who saved them on several occasions.

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Agreed. But we probably won’t on the grounds that he can’t go all twinkle toes with the ball at his feet.

That’s the priority, not keeping the bastard ball out of the net . 

[SW5 SAINT]

  On 11/10/2023 at 07:31, david in sweden said:

my comment was based on the fact that I didn't know who Paul Wilcox was ? 

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You’re thinking of Paula Wilcox. Come to think of it she would probably make a better job of running Southampton FC…..

[Turkish]

  On 11/10/2023 at 07:31, david in sweden said:

my comment was based on the fact that I didn't know who Paul Wilcox was ? 

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neither did Joel PIroe by the looks of it.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

  On 11/10/2023 at 07:34, beatlesaint said:

She was in Man About The House with Richard O'Sullivan and is now in Corrie 🤪 

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...and not forgetting of course that Richard O's character in that was from Southampton and could often be seen drinking out of a Saints mug. That's all.

[John Boy Saint]

  On 11/10/2023 at 12:03, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

...and not forgetting of course that Richard O's character in that was from Southampton and could often be seen drinking out of a Saints mug. That's all.

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I was pleased to see Brian Murphy is still with us, and was celebrating his 94th birthday the other day.

[gallaghert366@yahoo.com]

  On 10/10/2023 at 11:19, Saint Fan CaM said:

I think the key thing I want to see from Ross is movement in the box, getting ahead of his marker…something Adams rarely seems capable of. If he can do this then I can see him being more successful than both Adams and Arma.

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That shouldn't prove to be too difficult.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

  On 10/10/2023 at 17:12, disconnect said:

Soooo... How far away is he from actually playing for us?!

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Ross Stewart nearing injury return but faces Southampton battle after Sunderland switch - Chronicle Live

Not that far according to this.

[davefizzy14]

Hopefully Ross will be fit to be in the squad for the game against Hull a week on Saturday.

[trousers]

  On 11/10/2023 at 17:47, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

Ross Stewart nearing injury return but faces Southampton battle after Sunderland switch - Chronicle Live

Not that far according to this.

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I would take that article with a pinch of salt... The fella being interviewed (from Hampshire Live) said this: "..unlike Onuachu, Stewart has bags of experience at this level"... not the best description of a player who has only made 13 appearances in the Championship...

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[oldsarum]

  On 11/10/2023 at 18:16, davefizzy14 said:

Hopefully Ross will be fit to be in the squad for the game against Hull a week on Saturday.

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That’s what he told my mate who chatted to him and Jack Stephens in hospitality at the Leeds game 

 

[Pamplemousse]

Anyone speak to him at the Megastore signing event?

[suewhistle]

I know Adams has done well to get where he is but he's no natural striker and I find him frustrating as a player in that position who is so one footed. Correct me if I'm wrong but has he ever scored with his weaker foot: something you'll see even at the lowest levels of football? His effort is (was?) there, but not the natural finding of space you get from the best players. I'm hoping Stewart can offer some of these qualities since we made enough chances against Rotherham, cut backs in the box and so forth but nobody there with real finishing abilities.

[JRM]

  On 12/10/2023 at 06:41, oldsarum said:

That’s what he told my mate who chatted to him and Jack Stephens in hospitality at the Leeds game 

 

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Would be brilliant, Jack Stephens back soon as well? 

[Miltonaggro]

  On 12/10/2023 at 08:34, suewhistle said:

I know Adams has done well to get where he is but he's no natural striker and I find him frustrating as a player in that position who is so one footed. Correct me if I'm wrong but has he ever scored with his weaker foot: something you'll see even at the lowest levels of football? His effort is (was?) there, but not the natural finding of space you get from the best players. I'm hoping Stewart can offer some of these qualities since we made enough chances against Rotherham, cut backs in the box and so forth but nobody there with real finishing abilities.

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Adams looked great, best combative form for years, right up until the transfer window closed. Reversion since. We are so desperate for a focal point and natural finisher and Stewart can’t come in quick enough now. Hopefully Martin opts for the diamond used against Leeds with RS at the tip. Be interesting to see if both Adams and Mara make the subs bench at that point. 

[verlaine1979]

  On 12/10/2023 at 08:34, suewhistle said:

I know Adams has done well to get where he is but he's no natural striker and I find him frustrating as a player in that position who is so one footed. Correct me if I'm wrong but has he ever scored with his weaker foot: something you'll see even at the lowest levels of football? His effort is (was?) there, but not the natural finding of space you get from the best players. I'm hoping Stewart can offer some of these qualities since we made enough chances against Rotherham, cut backs in the box and so forth but nobody there with real finishing abilities.

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He hadn't even scored a professional goal with his head until midway through his time at saints.

[Turkish]

  On 12/10/2023 at 06:57, Pamplemousse said:

Anyone speak to him at the Megastore signing event?

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My mate did, he said he probably won’t be fit for the Hull game 

[Turkish]

  On 11/10/2023 at 20:07, trousers said:

I would take that article with a pinch of salt... The fella being interviewed (from Hampshire Live) said this: "..unlike Onuachu, Stewart has bags of experience at this level"... not the best description of a player who has only made 13 appearances in the Championship...

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13 more appearances than Onauch. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king and all that 

[Convict Colony]

Just salivating at the thought of a striker who actually likes getting in the 6yrd box and is actually taller than a smurf - got high hopes for a fast version of Pelle esq type player.  But knowing our intelligent players there wont be any balls in above knee height like they did with Tall "the turkish goal machine" Paul.

 

[Convict Colony]

Between now and next saturday I think I could find enough evidence to convince myself he will be marco van basten re-incarnated 😉

[redkeith]

  On 13/10/2023 at 08:38, Convict Colony said:

Just salivating at the thought of a striker who actually likes getting in the 6yrd box and is actually taller than a smurf - got high hopes for a fast version of Pelle esq type player.  But knowing our intelligent players there wont be any balls in above knee height like they did with Tall "the turkish goal machine" Paul.

 

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I notice he has a habit of coming to the near post to meet crosses. What kind of sorcery is that ! 

[tdmickey3]

  On 13/10/2023 at 12:00, redkeith said:

I notice he has a habit of coming to the near post to meet crosses. What kind of sorcery is that ! 

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Don`t worry RM will soon have him drop deep and help midfield pass it to the centre backs

[revolution saint]

Didn't Swansea have the most crosses into the box of any team last season?  I'm not sure how many headed goals they had though but Piroe is a tall lad so assume he must have had some.

Should definitely give us other options and Stewart does appear to be a "proper" striker with good instincts on where to be and how to find space.  Looking forward to Stewart getting in the team.

[Saint_clark]

  On 13/10/2023 at 08:38, Convict Colony said:

Just salivating at the thought of a striker who actually likes getting in the 6yrd box and is actually taller than a smurf - got high hopes for a fast version of Pelle esq type player.  But knowing our intelligent players there wont be any balls in above knee height like they did with Tall "the turkish goal machine" Paul.

 

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He looks very good at running in behind and getting on the end of fast low balls played early into the box. 

Perfect for our tactic of turning away from goal and passing back into the middle of the pitch when we get out wide. 

 

All joking aside, Sulemana and Edozie should be able to set this guy up loads. 

[david in sweden]

  On 13/10/2023 at 08:38, Convict Colony said:

Just salivating at the thought of a striker who actually likes getting in the 6yrd box and is actually taller than a smurf - got high hopes for a fast version of Pelle esq type player.  But knowing our intelligent players there wont be any balls in above knee height like they did with Tall "the turkish goal machine" Paul.

 

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Wow ..a tall striker who scores from crosses /centres into the box... a fantastic tactic . why didn't we think of that before?.

Seems like everyone at the club forgot about Pelle, Lambert, Beattie and all those who came before.

[64saint]

RM trying to play things down when talking about Ross Stewart.  ....'We've got to be sensible'.....and then next sentence says  'He's going to be brilliant '.  No pressure on him then !!! 

[rallyboy]

Did he offer any detail on when he will actually make it onto a pitch?

[trousers]

  On 17/10/2023 at 13:09, 64saint said:

RM trying to play things down when talking about Ross Stewart.  ....'We've got to be sensible'.....and then next sentence says  'He's going to be brilliant '.  No pressure on him then !!! 

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Is this from a new interview this week? Link? Cheers 👍

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[Turkish]

  On 14/10/2023 at 15:53, david in sweden said:

Wow ..a tall striker who scores from crosses /centres into the box... a fantastic tactic . why didn't we think of that before?.

Seems like everyone at the club forgot about Pelle, Lambert, Beattie and all those who came before.

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All the names you mention were the old days before we became smarter than every other club.

[Turkish]

  On 17/10/2023 at 13:13, rallyboy said:

Did he offer any detail on when he will actually make it onto a pitch?

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“Very very soon”

which means it’s not as close as my next cup of tea, but closer to happening that this thread which 11 year ago predicted a stadium expansion soon 

 

[suewhistle]

Since I was passing by I thought I'd watch his show reel for the first time. Unlike Adams he seems to be able to head a ball (accurately and away from the keeper), use both feet, finds space well and even manages to make decent contact from scrappy balls at short range. Seems like an improvement then if he can replicate for us..