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qwertyell

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Well, football dream weaver and philosophy nonce Martin was right the other week when he said we wouldn't have conceded 4 against Norwich with Flynn Downes in the team.

It would've been 5. 

Not sure "pick Flynn Downes" should be a manager's sole defensive tactic. But then I'm not sure he's got many more ideas up his sleeve.

Inept. And entirely on brand. 

 

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madge

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Always thought Martin was a garbage defender when he played.. he’s certainly not got anywhere near the ability to coach a team to defend.. teams score against in five passes, we plod up the pitch and go nowhere. We’ve pace but not utilised.. anymore of this and Martin can do one.. 

that line up today was shocking.. all on the manager.

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maysie

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6 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Downes just stands watching and Baz does a bad impression of a pro keeper. 5-0 to a team that were in L1 last season. An extremely poor performance from Manager and his team. Sunderland wanted it more. Embarrassing doesn’t really cover it.

8/10 window…mmm?

No they weren’t 

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Bad Wolf

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Disgraceful performance!!

How does anyone think Smallbone is good?! Dreadful player who gets away with it because he's from the academy. No doubt when he'd 28, we'll sell him to Exeter and then every time he does anything in League One, it'll be "HE NEVER GOT A FAIR CHANCE!!!!". Holgate was the worst debut I've seen since Alan Bennett. Downes was the only player who looked like he gave a shit and he's not even our player!!! Mara is just appalling.

Bazunu at fault for one goal but no doubt he'll be blamed for all 5 and for not curing cancer between goals.

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beatlesaint

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3 minutes ago, Chez said:

Not sure why Baz is being made the fall guy. The performance of the outfield players, shape and tactics were the issue.

Jesus 🙄 He has one job, stopping the ball ending up in the back of the net. He was at fault for what? 3 of those goals? And you’re not sure?

 

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Graffito

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Unpick that shambles. Start with the selection, especially central midfield where there was a gaping hole. We need two holding midfielders who are willing to hold. One has to be Charles. Then tactics. I for one couldn’t work out what we were trying to do. No overloads. Precious little rotation. Poor selection and muddled tactics compounded by lack of aggression and no urgency going forward. 

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Wiggles31

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Well that was dreadful. How a team with 30% of the ball can have 10 shots on target?! Bazunu is just a piss poor goalkeeper and Holgate had a nightmare debut. The thing that worries me is the tactics which allow teams so much space down the flanks in transition. The midfield was poor as well. Totally overrun. Twice from our own corner they pumped it forward to get into a dangerous attack. Wtf is that about. 
 

Genuinely can’t take a single positive from that. Other than having two weeks off for the international break. 

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James

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1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

Jesus 🙄 He has one job, stopping the ball ending up in the back of the net. He was at fault for what? 3 of those goals? And you’re not sure?

 

Anyone who thinks Baz is even vaguely competent is not watching the same game as me. 

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Lee On Solent Saint

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2 minutes ago, trousers said:

A one-off shite performance or a sign of things to come? Some worrying signs for sure but impossible to come to any conclusions just yet... time will tell. 

#pragmatism

The worry for me is that we still look so weak, both physically and mentally. Mara is a complete waste of a shirt. Smallbone offers nothing. Bednerk still can't defend even at this level. 

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The Juice

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First of all, its a whole team performance issue and a tactical one. 

That starting 11 made little sense and it always concerns me when fans watching identify issues early on that the manager doesnt seem to or, worse, is too stubborn to change.

Mara is not up to it, end of. So many opportunities.

Holgate should have been taken off at the half (well... after 12 mins but at the half to save some face).

Fraser has to, has to start, he is better than SAA, Edozie and Adam Armstrong.

Downes and Smallbone both trying to play the same position and neither doing a particularly good job at it.

Manning still concerns me defensively but he is the best option in the position.

Final word for Bazunu; I've defended him this season as didnt feel he'd put a foot wrong. Today was the worst display from a southampton keeper I can remember. He should save at least three of those amongst other moment where he could have cost us... 

Joke. Russ will get the plaudits when it goes well... he now needs to own this and learn from it very very quickly 

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Not sure many come out with much credit today from RM, coaches and players that was just a cluster fuck of a performance. Weaklings all over the pitch meaning Charles has to start every game. RM now shows us what he's made of between now and a tough home game against Leicester - anymore of what we saw today and the natives will be restless. That was as bad as it could have been in your worst nightmare from back to front.

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Patrick Bateman

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Utterly dreadful match, really very bad, can't pin it all on Holgate although he was shit.  However, with the international break coming up, I hope this is a proper slap in the face the squad and coaching team need to know that they can't just rely on having the "best squad in the league".  Learn from it, become better, much better and play up to the hype rather than just believe it and fail.

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redkeith

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That midfield was so lightweight, and then when you throw Holgate into the mix...... . The Sunderland lad they got from West Ham ran the midfield and was like Wanyama on a good day.  

Against Leicester  we need something more solid. 

                                    Bazuna

 KWP H-Bellis Bednarek  Manning 

             Charles   Downs

  Sulemana    Alcarez              Fraser          

                       Adams 

 

I wish there were alternatives to Baz and Manning, but  there aren't. 

We need 2 weeks to work on defensive shape . On of the drills on the video this week seemed to be forwards running at defenders with no protective midfield cover. Seemed to be a blueprint for todays game.  

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Saint Matty 76

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Just now, redkeith said:

That midfield was so lightweight, and then when you throw Holgate into the mix...... . The Sunderland lad they got from West Ham ran the midfield and was like Wanyama on a good day.  

Against Leicester  we need something more solid. 

                                    Bazuna

 KWP H-Bellis Bednarek  Manning 

             Charles   Downs

  Sulemana    Alcarez              Fraser          

                       Adams 

 

I wish there were alternatives to Baz and Manning, but  there aren't. 

We need 2 weeks to work on defensive shape . On of the drills on the video this week seemed to be forwards running at defenders with no protective midfield cover. Seemed to be a blueprint for todays game.  

Yep. I'm with you player for player. 

Either or on Edozie/Fraser.

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Sheaf Saint

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Just now, SW11_Saint said:

No, but he saved about 3-4 sure goals. Overly simplistic to put goals down to the goalie. The defence in front of him was terrible. 

Really? I didn't see him make any saves that you wouldn't expect any semi competent keeper to make. And he made a hash of a couple of those by palming them right back into the danger area too. 

Saving a 'sure' goal, IMO, is when a keeper pulls off an unexpected save of a shot that's heading right into the corner. I've genuinely never seen Baz do that - ever.

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derry

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That was a clusterfuck. Holgate gave the ball away for two goals. Manning for another and Alcaraz for the last. The passing was aimless and like the Norwich game we were murdered on the break. In retrospect the team selection was poor and the defensive organisation was non existent. Edozie last man for the first, WTF, then lost Clarke. We need to get both the full backs to be less kamekazi. There needs to be less off the cuff and more discipline. Sunderland saw us coming and exploited our stupidity. I thought Downs was supposed to be the DM, nobody was today. THB in immediately. Bednarek caught out again for fourth as he couldn't sort his feet out. I got a feeling reading the forum that the general feeling was it was three points for the taking. Well the balloon has been well and truly punctured and our complacency and arrogance punished. We have two weeks now to get it right. 5-0 was a disgrace. 

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Hodgey

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We won’t win every game, and players won’t play that badly so no need to panic. But some alarm bells ringing for me on RM. That starting line up was asking for trouble, debutant in defence, away from home and you protect them with Downes/Armstrong/Smallbone ??. I called out a Tella shaped right wing concern pre this game, and that did nothing to convince me.

Mowbray also ruthlessly exploited the inverted fullback idea - drilled his team to get it wide early with wingers hugging the touch line, we had no answer at the start, and still no answer at the end. Many managers will have taken a note.

mitigating circumstances given the transfer noise and changes we’ve had (yes so have others but I think we’ve had it especially bad). But post international break there are no more excuses

 

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northam soul

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Well that’s how easy it can be to play against us.

Let us pass it around all day going nowhere and just hit us on the break.

We offered very little at the end of all those passes and get undone so quickly it’s embarrassing.

They really could of won by a few more as we didn’t create squat with all that tippy tappy build up.

Holgate does not look capable of playing it out from the back so THB will help.

We had so little effect going forward and our best attacker was KWP especially first half which is part of the problem as we get caught to easily.

Lets hope this really is a one off and lessons will be learned but from experience I do wonder.

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OttawaSaint

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Early days but I don't like Martin and his "smartest person in the room" vibe. 

All talk. You can't have mentally fragile players like ours playing your "philosophy".

We need to play to our strengths not lay bare our weaknesses.

I don't think we can expect top 6 when we have a goalie that can only save 25% of shots that are straight at him. And even when he does he often pushes it straight back into play. 

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Viking Saint

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8 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Luckily you are not in charge of recruitment. Don't need a bad apple in the ranks.

Hugely experienced premiership and international keeper with 93 caps, Premiership and FA cup winner, I'll take that every single day over the absolute proven catastrophe we currently have between the sticks.

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WestMidSaint

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I’ve said it before, but Swansea fans we met on holiday immediately sited his teams pathetic defending as a major problem. This was from season ticket holders at Swansea. They said he’d actually cost them the play offs with it. 
 

Commentator said the top 6 last season all had the 6th best defensive records. If we’re non in that group we have zero chance of top 2 and will be making top 6 a difficult thing to achieve 

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