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Sky News are saying that Newcastle winger Ryan Fraser is undergoing a medical at Southampton for a season long loan....Thoughts?

I think he would be a great addition. In the wilderness at Newcastle he needs to kickstart his career. He is fast, direct and has a goal in him

Does this mean that one of our existing wide men might be on the move....i hope not?

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Must be advanced if Eddie Howe feels confident name dropping us...

Understandably, there's been a mixed reaction on here with questions regarding his commitment and attitude. I thought refusing to finish that extended season at Bournemouth during their time of need was disgraceful.

Having said that, I actually think this could be a good loan signing. The squad needs more experienced heads and this is a player that has won this league before.

I also think he'll be more motivated here. I found some interesting comments on the Newcastle forum made back in March...

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I think when he decides that he wants to move on (his lack of game time won’t get any better here) he just checks out on the hard work. He was playing and motivated last season. This year not so much.

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Fraser seemed very committed last season, he ran himself in to the ground in some games. 

There's no doubt he has a fickle attitude but given its a season loan and he'll be given a more influential role here compared to Newcastle, I foresee a Ryan Fraser that is willing to put in the graft this season.

I say give him a chance.

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I think the Holgate signing is OK. I'm not a big fan of this one because it blocks some our young players and he supposedly has a terrible attitude and is a disruptive influence. It's not the type of signing I would have gone for but I do hope he can prove me wrong. 

I've never bought that argument, personally. No player ever really blocks another, the inference there is that the other player simply isn't good enough to get selected ahead of them. Our young players will have to show in training and in the opportunities they do get that they're at least as good as Ryan Fraser. If they can't do that then they don't deserve to be on the pitch.

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3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think the Holgate signing is OK. I'm not a big fan of this one because it blocks some our young players and he supposedly has a terrible attitude and is a disruptive influence. It's not the type of signing I would have gone for but I do hope he can prove me wrong. 

Is the Holgate move looking likely then?

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Disappointed we seem to be going down the expensive loan route but guess not completely surprised

As an upgrade on edozie i guess i don't mind, but i do feel he's a diminishing force. (how much are we forking out for the priviledge)

Would be very annoyed if this is sop to explain us cashing in on Tella.

 

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5 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Disappointed we seem to be going down the expensive loan route

One assumes we'll be sharing their wages with the parent club so might actually end up being quite cost effective? (some fans on the Everton forum believe they'll still be paying a significant portion of Holgate's wages, for example)

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Lets get a few things clear for some who don't know what they're talking about.. 

He didn't down tools - he refused to extend his contract for 8 games following the post covid break.

During that time, he was in fine form and attracted interest from top 6 clubs (Arsenal and Liverpool). 

Because of the above, he and Howe don't get on - remember Howe also lost pretty much all of the dressing room the following season at Bournemouth as well - which has meant he's had little to no chance up there when Howe arrived. 

From a newcastle season ticket holder, who I work with:

"I've got nothing bad to say about him, has been a solid servant when required. 

Great winger if you have a center forward willing to gamble on his balls into the area."

Loan with very little risk - not much to not like about this one imo. 

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Could be a decent loan signing. I get all the concerns about his attitude when he downed tools at Bournemouth. He got his move, only to then have Howe follow him up there. Was never gonna go well from that point. Just reading he had also played at RB for club and country before so does provide options. 

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2 minutes ago, trousers said:

One assumes we'll be sharing their wages with the parent club so might actually end up being quite cost effective? (some fans on the Everton forum believe they'll still be paying a significant portion of Holgate's wages, for example)

I'd assumed there would be a hefty loan fee on top of any wages we pay in Downes and this loan.

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Just now, Baird of the land said:

I'd assumed there would be a hefty loan fee on top of any wages we pay in Downes and this loan.

There likely will be a loan fee for all of these guys which we won't get any return on. Maybe it's already taken into account in the fees received for Tino and JWP though. 

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2 minutes ago, Dman said:

From a newcastle season ticket holder, who I work with:

"I've got nothing bad to say about him, has been a solid servant when required. 

Great winger if you have a center forward willing to gamble on his balls into the area."

Oh....

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9 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

He’s a good player with good experience but it doesn’t make much sense to me unless someone is off (Money is on Sully).

We have something like 8 capable wide players ? Whats the point ?

But also seems odd that we have signed a player in advance of someone leaving when it doesn't really seem like we've done that the rest of the summer. 

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11 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

He’s a good player with good experience but it doesn’t make much sense to me unless someone is off (Money is on Sully).

We have something like 8 capable wide players ? Whats the point ?

Yeah hope it is Sully. Earlier in the summer was hoping to keep both tella and Sully, but his 'off treating himself' seems highly suspect, so been expecting him to be off.

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7 minutes ago, Dman said:

Lets get a few things clear for some who don't know what they're talking about.. 

He didn't down tools - he refused to extend his contract for 8 games following the post covid break.

It was his decision to make. I think it said a lot about his character.

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My contract was done so it's not like I refused to play any games,' he said. 'Nobody saw this virus coming. If the virus didn't come I would have played every game under my contract.

'Some lads in the Premier League signed an extension, and fair play to them. But for me, at my age, knowing that this club wanted me, it was just a decision I had to make.

I got battered for it. Everyone has got their opinions but, at the end of the day, I need to look after myself.

'The worst thing is that I didn't want them to go down – it would have been a lot easier if they had stayed up. With me playing, without being big headed, I think I would have helped massively.

'I'm not going to sit here and say I wasn't sad. I was gutted. With the years I had there, coming from League One to the Premier League, it was never how I wanted to end it.

I'm fine with this being a loan.

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3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

It was his decision to make. I think it said a lot about his character.

 

Would you signing a deal to risk an injury would could potentially scupper a deal to a top PL side? I don't think I would. 

The same could be said of JWP - he had a decision to make, he could have stayed and fought to get us back. What does that say about his character? 

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12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

But also seems odd that we have signed a player in advance of someone leaving when it doesn't really seem like we've done that the rest of the summer. 

Yeah it doesn’t make a ton of sense to me really

He’ll probably be a good player tbh, but still

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Maybe we've signed him to make all the deadwood leave ?

"There have been a few reported incidents regarding Ryan Fraser's attitude problems. One incident occurred during a match in 2019, where he was seen arguing with his teammate Callum Wilson and refusing to pass the ball to him. Another incident occurred during a training session, where he reportedly stormed off the pitch after a disagreement with the manager. Additionally, there have been reports of him being difficult to work with and having a bad attitude towards his teammates and coaching staff."

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8 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Yeah it doesn’t make a ton of sense to me really

He’ll probably be a good player tbh, but still

Regardless of our finances and everything else, I'm really surprised we didn't bring in a cb before the season started. I am also surprised we haven't brought in a striker. If we had two really decent signings in those two positions, I think it would be a lot easier to be calmer right now when the rest of our quality is being linked away and when we are bringing in cast off loanees from the prem. 

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1 minute ago, Andrew Watson said:

If he can stay fit he could be a big asset,only slight downside he could keep one of the promising youngsters out of the side,as has already been alluded to. Generally good though.

 

I think if SAA was ready to start regularly, he already would be. I think SAA will be the first name on the teamsheet come the end of the season, regardless of who we sign. 

Edozie.. Meh, average player imo. 

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If Ryan Fraser is here as part of the squad to replace the wingers who have left or in place of Djenepo - not bad. Reports of a bad attitude but he might do well with a fresh start and coukd give us some strength in depth. 

If Ryan Fraser is here to replace Sulemana or Tella-that's completely shit and I'm very worried about our season and our squad and it's a pretty significant downgrade. 

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50 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

But also seems odd that we have signed a player in advance of someone leaving when it doesn't really seem like we've done that the rest of the summer. 

All of our signings have been done in advance of players leaving. So far at any rate. 😅 We just haven't signed many players....

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1 hour ago, Dman said:

Lets get a few things clear for some who don't know what they're talking about.. 

He didn't down tools - he refused to extend his contract for 8 games following the post covid break.

During that time, he was in fine form and attracted interest from top 6 clubs (Arsenal and Liverpool). 

Because of the above, he and Howe don't get on - remember Howe also lost pretty much all of the dressing room the following season at Bournemouth as well - which has meant he's had little to no chance up there when Howe arrived. 

From a newcastle season ticket holder, who I work with:

"I've got nothing bad to say about him, has been a solid servant when required. 

Great winger if you have a center forward willing to gamble on his balls into the area."

Loan with very little risk - not much to not like about this one imo. 

Do we think Tall Paul would gamble his balls?

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7 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

All of our signings have been done in advance of players leaving. So far at any rate. 😅 We just haven't signed many players....

Downes wasn't. Manning didn't replace anyone as we needed a lb. Shea Charles I'll grant you but I assume that's because we knew with certainty Lavia was off which is why he didn't play any games. 

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4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Downes wasn't. Manning didn't replace anyone as we needed a lb. Shea Charles I'll grant you but I assume that's because we knew with certainty Lavia was off which is why he didn't play any games. 

Ah yes, tbf i forgot about Downes - but he isn't going to be hanging around beyond this season. Manning was a fullback replacement for Tino/KWP. Shea Charles is a cb/cdm to replace the various outgoings before they happen. With smallbone, Downes is essentially adding depth as we've lost two cm and gained two CDM's 🤷‍♂️.

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1 hour ago, Dman said:

Would you signing a deal to risk an injury would could potentially scupper a deal to a top PL side? I don't think I would. 

The same could be said of JWP - he had a decision to make, he could have stayed and fought to get us back. What does that say about his character? 

Asking a player to finish the current season is different to getting them to commit to a whole new season in the league below. The Bournemouth fans had already accepted Fraser would be off at the end of the season. With that said, there's no doubt in my mind JWP would have finished the season for us under the same circumstances. He carried on playing for us in the Championship after all.

Fraser spent 6 seasons at Bournemouth. Many of his colleagues would have been there since the league 1 days. There should have been some level of camaraderie as well as appreciation for helping him grow into a Premier League player.

They were in a relegation battle. The fans loved and treated him as one of their own. They were only asking him to complete the season during their hour of need. He should be fully aware that people lose their jobs after a relegation.

Was it necessary to then rub salt into the wounds by stating afterwards that he thought he could have helped keep them up? On balance, I think it's a good loan signing but that is a serious blemish on his character as far as I'm concerned.

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40 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Would be a great signing.

He's experienced....

But all I remember is him saying he jacked it in at Bournemouth with a year left of his contract and ended up being bombed out of the Newcastle scene and training with the U21's.

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12 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Ah yes, tbf i forgot about Downes - but he isn't going to be hanging around beyond this season. Manning was a fullback replacement for Tino/KWP. Shea Charles is a cb/cdm to replace the various outgoings before they happen. With smallbone, Downes is essentially adding depth as we've lost two cm and gained two CDM's 🤷‍♂️.

You won't be able to convince me that Manning is a replacement for Livramento. 

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