Lucy Letby

[hypochondriac]

  On 22/08/2023 at 19:31, Baird of the land said:

I don't really see why feeding and clothing someone for the rest of their life is superior to a swift end, or why a swift end is barbaric. If you are arguing the potential for miscarriage of justice... well that seems improbable but guess she's never actually verbally confessed to it.

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I think the issue is that it's improbable but not impossible. I certainly wouldn't want to go around allowing the state to kill based on that. Law of averages says they'll get one wrong eventually. 

[andypen]

It seems it isn't long before many posts descend into a slanging match.

Anyway regarding the no-shows for the sentencing hearings, a couple of suggestions :

1) Sentences either increased or discounts on guilty pleas waived (obviously not in Letby's whole life term case)

2) Any right to appeal waived / prisoners to serve the whole tariff without parole.

3) Certain privileges denied (phone/internet/tv access, food treats etc)

That's of course if you believe that the law should not be changed and that a defendant can't be physically forced to the dock. There will be many more less serious cases where this would be an issue, perhaps the victim(s) should be consulted before sentencing?

[whelk]

This thread is surprisingly quiet

[Toadhall Saint]

Stream the sentencing to the cell at maximum volume.

[egg]

  On 23/08/2023 at 17:22, Toadhall Saint said:

Stream the sentencing to the cell at maximum volume.

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Yep, that's a solution. 

[Lighthouse]

  On 23/08/2023 at 17:10, whelk said:

This thread is surprisingly quiet

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I can’t believe we’ve made it onto page two without discussing where she falls on the Begum-Nox scale.

[whelk]

  On 23/08/2023 at 17:49, Lighthouse said:

I can’t believe we’ve made it onto page two without discussing where she falls on the Begum-Nox scale.

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TBF Begum does look a bit fitter these days

[The Kraken]

  On 23/08/2023 at 18:07, whelk said:

TBF Begum does look a bit fitter these days

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Compared to which days? 😬

[hypochondriac]

  On 23/08/2023 at 18:21, The Kraken said:

Compared to which days? 😬

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Compared to when she wore a bin liner. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

PM plans to introduce law to make the convicted attend, including by reasonable force.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66660136

[rallyboy]

Tiny weak PM tries to look strong with bigboy announcement.

[andypen]

While the victims families are set to receive a whopping £13k in compension, the hospital trust spent £325k on pr since Letby was arrested. Reassuring to know their priorities were in the right place.

[whelk]

What is the point of having another trial?

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 25/09/2023 at 12:32, whelk said:

What is the point of having another trial?

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Seems like an enormous waste of resources.

No verdict is going to change her whole life sentence. I get the parents will want "justice" - can't the judge just rule that on the balance of probabilities there is no evidence to say she didn't do it, that should make them happy?

[egg]

  On 25/09/2023 at 12:32, whelk said:

What is the point of having another trial?

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None. I can't see how it's in the interests of justice to prosecute. 

[sadoldgit]

  On 25/09/2023 at 16:00, egg said:

None. I can't see how it's in the interests of justice to prosecute. 

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I would imagine it is to try and give justice to the parents and family of the child. If I was one of the parents of the babies that there was no verdict given, I would feel let down by the process. They wouldn’t bring another prosecution if they didn’t think that there was a reasonable chance of a verdict.

[egg]

  On 25/09/2023 at 16:16, sadoldgit said:

I would imagine it is to try and give justice to the parents and family of the child. If I was one of the parents of the babies that there was no verdict given, I would feel let down by the process. They wouldn’t bring another prosecution if they didn’t think that there was a reasonable chance of a verdict.

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I get that, but the test is whether it's in the interests of justice to prosecute. The chances of a conviction are just one consideration. She'll never see the light of day again, so more guilty verdicts, all while giving that odious woman airtime, seems unnecessary to me. 

Edited 25 September, 2023 by egg
Shit typing

[CB Fry]

Tough old job for that jury once appointed.

Do you believe that this baby killer killed these babies as well.

I know juries get told to forget everything except the evidence but that's not one I'd want to sit on.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 25/09/2023 at 16:34, CB Fry said:

Tough old job for that jury once appointed.

Do you believe that this baby killer killed these babies as well.

I know juries get told to forget everything except the evidence but that's not one I'd want to sit on.

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It's a retrial for attempted murder, so the question will be even tougher!

Do you believe this convicted baby killer tried to kill this baby as well....

[rallyboy]

All the parents are entitled to justice, so any further trials that have a good chance of conviction should go ahead.