Plymouth 1-2 Saints - FT

[bangkoksaint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

It’s nice to score some goals! 9 in 3, 1/4 of what we scored all last season 

Wow! That’s a shocking indictment of how poor we were and what awful football we served up

[Smirking_Saint]

1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

No prizes for guessing who let go of their man for their goal

KWP ?

[Matty's Caddy]

1 minute ago, Smirking_Saint said:

KWP ?

Shocking player.

[niceandfriendly]

2 away wins out of 2. Tasty. 

[Give it to Ron]

2 minutes ago, niceandfriendly said:

2 away wins out of 2. Tasty. 

I think that will have big bearing on transfers next 2 weeks. Players will want to join us and not struggling Championship side.

Great to win after last season debacle  long may it continue 

[qwertyell]

50 minutes ago, david in sweden said:

Our only real big money purchase... Sean Charles ...was distinctly underwhelming, of course he will (hopefully) improve, but not on this showing.

Charles was good in a compromised set up. He was basically a one man midfield.

He'll need to improve positionally because his recovery pace isn't too special, so he probably can't go bombing all over the field, but there's a very promising holding player in there. 

[niceandfriendly]

4 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

I think that will have big bearing on transfers next 2 weeks. Players will want to join us and not struggling Championship side.

Great to win after last season debacle  long may it continue 

Hope so mate. starting to run out of time now

[saintquin]

2 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Was their goal offside?

Think VAR would have been all over that but happy without it ruining the flow of the game.

We need to be better in midfield but expect this to improve.

I thought it looked offside on the view I've had of it.

How can anyone could think Che was offside? 

[Dragon_man]

It's a good omen that a relatively poor team with average performances can grind out 7 pts from these 3 games.

We've won 3pts in injury time and 2pts with 3 minutes to go. We could just as easily be on 2pts right now like Leeds. 

Need to kick on with player improvements and incoming players. This streak won't last a season.

We're fortunate, let's not waste it.

 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

1 hour ago, Yozzman said:

KWP according to Jamie Mackie on Sky.

Looked like bednarek to me

[Ex Lion Tamer]

1 hour ago, Give it to Ron said:

I think that will have big bearing on transfers next 2 weeks. Players will want to join us and not struggling Championship side.

Great to win after last season debacle  long may it continue 

This is huge I think. Also for keeping the odd player

[bugenhagen]

8 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Looked like bednarek to me

No - The pundits and everyone in football knows that Bednarek does not mark or follow runners. Therfore it is the next closest player that must take the blame  To be fair, Bednarek is pretty good at pointing that out afterwards...
 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Anyone able to say if it should have been a penalty? We would be furious if we never got that?

No it shouldn’t. Clear dive after Baz pulled up short.

[Hopper]

2 hours ago, david in sweden said:

Our only real big money purchase... Sean Charles ...was distinctly underwhelming, of course he will (hopefully) improve, but not on this showing.

The lad was all over the park and man of the match... 

[woodsaint1]

Some offering their services to drive Che to his new club the other week now begging that he stays. He was always going to be a great option in this league, and hes a decent option in the PL too

[woodsaint1]

2 hours ago, david in sweden said:

a 2-1 win away from home with our "new look " side-what is there to complain about ?   Well let's not say " complain " but a few observations at least.

We did make hard work of it, and the thought that... IF we do sell Tella and/or Adams .... where will the goals come from?

Our only real big money purchase... Sean Charles ...was distinctly underwhelming, of course he will (hopefully) improve, but not on this showing.

Good job we had Stuart Armstrong in the start side, he held a lot together.

More discipline is needed ..already 15 yellow cards in the first 3 games, which will likely cause problems when they all total up in a month or so.

Makes you wonder where the pace is coming from if KWP goes too?.  Manning showed some good work, but is easily beaten for pace.

 

There are still 12 days before the window closes but expect a lot more signings before then, as the bench looked well short of real experience.

 

 

You must be on the wind up. His names Shea as well

[Nolan]

1 hour ago, Dragon_man said:

It's a good omen that a relatively poor team with average performances can grind out 7 pts from these 3 games.

We've won 3pts in injury time and 2pts with 3 minutes to go. We could just as easily be on 2pts right now like Leeds. 

Need to kick on with player improvements and incoming players. This streak won't last a season.

We're fortunate, let's not waste it.

 

No, we're not fortunate.

Today we put in a performance with an injury hit squad. Players like A. Armstrong were relentless in going for the three points.

We're currently the highest scorers in the league.

The improvements in set pieces were obvious after a week of our new coach.

It's time to get rid of the hangover negativity from last season.

Time to enjoy this season. It's going to be a good one.

 

[sfc4prem]

7 minutes ago, Nolan said:

No, we're not fortunate.

Today we put in a performance with an injury hit squad. Players like A. Armstrong were relentless in going for the three points.

We're currently the highest scorers in the league.

The improvements in set pieces were obvious after a week of our new coach.

It's time to get rid of the hangover negativity from last season.

Time to enjoy this season. It's going to be a good one.

 

We as fans have a role to play in shifting the mentality of the club. Obviously it mainly comes down to SR, Wilson, Martin and the players, but we can help. We need to convert the Premier League losing mentality from the drain-circling and relegation years into a positive winning mentality.

To be fair, the fans in the ground have been really positive and the support has been great so far. We just need to keep up with that relentless positivity.

[Osvaldorama]

I thought we were absolutely quality in the second half. So much more fight & belief than any time last year. 
 

See a few comments here not rating Charles’ performance. You guys should probably start watching a different sport, football is not for you. He was absolutely brilliant today. 

[Smirking_Saint]

14 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

I thought we were absolutely quality in the second half. So much more fight & belief than any time last year. 
 

See a few comments here not rating Charles’ performance. You guys should probably start watching a different sport, football is not for you. He was absolutely brilliant today. 

Yeah agreed, we weren’t terrible first half but we just weren’t joined up at all, there were too many holes, not enough possession based play and it fekt like we were rushing things

Much much better second half, Shea’s quality and Armas work rate shined through

Manning concerns me a bit, Im not writing him off by any means as on the ball he is very good but he doesn’t seem great defensively and again (not his fault) we’re absolutely powderpuff at defending crosses

Still… 9 shots on target, 2 against.. even playing relatively poorly we’re very creative

[Give it to Ron]

Games on again channel  403

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Yeah agreed, we weren’t terrible first half but we just weren’t joined up at all, there were too many holes, not enough possession based play and it fekt like we were rushing things

Much much better second half, Shea’s quality and Armas work rate shined through

Manning concerns me a bit, Im not writing him off by any means as on the ball he is very good but he doesn’t seem great defensively and again (not his fault) we’re absolutely powderpuff at defending crosses

Still… 9 shots on target, 2 against.. even playing relatively poorly we’re very creative

Charles looks like a player, and he is a pretty big lad also. 

[macca155]

2 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Manning concerns me a bit, Im not writing him off by any means as on the ball he is very good but he doesn’t seem great defensively and again (not his fault) we’re absolutely powderpuff at defending

I feel the same but we've been very spoilt with left backs. Bertie was international quality and both KWP and Perraud (when fit) are solid PL standard.

Bree and Manning are Championship standard, and that has come as a bit of a shock to the system.

I suspect Manning is keeping the position warm for Larios or Meghoma. Plus he is an ally for the manager in the dressing room and Martin needs that.

Having said that, he needs to be given a chance, it is still early days.

Great win, don't care how it came about, its a win.

[Give it to Ron]

Quite funny Sky picking up us being called dirty northern bastards today. Not sure we have been called that before 🙂

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

10 minutes ago, macca155 said:

I feel the same but we've been very spoilt with left backs. Bertie was international quality and both KWP and Perraud (when fit) are solid PL standard.

Bree and Manning are Championship standard, and that has come as a bit of a shock to the system.

I suspect Manning is keeping the position warm for Larios or Meghoma. Plus he is an ally for the manager in the dressing room and Martin needs that.

Having said that, he needs to be given a chance, it is still early days.

Great win, don't care how it came about, its a win.

Manning slipped for their goal and wasn’t quick enough to make up the ground to block the cross - fair enough.

The more concerning one was him backing off and backing off which led to their attacker hitting the post. You can’t just keep backing off with the attacker a few yards from goal

[Smirking_Saint]

21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Charles looks like a player, and he is a pretty big lad also. 

Im quite surprised how quickly he’s looked so composed tbh

Top signing but unfortunately probably another we won’t keep for 5 minutes

[JRM]

54 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

We as fans have a role to play in shifting the mentality of the club. Obviously it mainly comes down to SR, Wilson, Martin and the players, but we can help. We need to convert the Premier League losing mentality from the drain-circling and relegation years into a positive winning mentality.

To be fair, the fans in the ground have been really positive and the support has been great so far. We just need to keep up with that relentless positivity.

You're right, I agree, match going fans have been very good, turning out in big numbers and generally giving positive support even when not in the lead. 

[redkeith]

3 hours ago, david in sweden said:

a 2-1 win away from home with our "new look " side-what is there to complain about ?   Well let's not say " complain " but a few observations at least.

We did make hard work of it, and the thought that... IF we do sell Tella and/or Adams .... where will the goals come from?

Our only real big money purchase... Sean Charles ...was distinctly underwhelming, of course he will (hopefully) improve, but not on this showing.

Good job we had Stuart Armstrong in the start side, he held a lot together.

More discipline is needed ..already 15 yellow cards in the first 3 games, which will likely cause problems when they all total up in a month or so.

Makes you wonder where the pace is coming from if KWP goes too?.  Manning showed some good work, but is easily beaten for pace.

 

There are still 12 days before the window closes but expect a lot more signings before then, as the bench looked well short of real experience.

 

 

Blimey David, you are being g a bit harsh there. He was excellent today, especially considering the booking which could have been a penalty. 

What sort of review did you give Steve Williams at Pompey, Graham Baker at home to Blackpool or Matt Oakley at Goodison. Good debut, tidy player.

[Polegategavin243]

2 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Looked like bednarek to me

It absolutely was. His anticipation and desire to get in position or to block shots is woeful. He was responsible for at least 2 of the goals last week. Everyone talking about CB replacements seems to have a blind spot for how poor he is. He must be replaced if we are to achieve promotion.

[EBS1980]

There is going to be a lot of suspensions this season given how easy yellows are being given out. 
 

Stephens is on 3 already!

[Polegategavin243]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

watch the goal, KwP was with Hardie all the way, until he just stops

Unfortunately, as you say KWP leaves Hardie, but it appears to be premeditated, I think to be taken up by Bernarek, as he enters his “zone” but Bednarek is ball watching and just allows him to get across him and knock it in the goal.

[Chez]

6 hours ago, Mr X said:

Why does AA look much better in the championship? Is this his level all along? 

Yes.

[Mr X]

Just now, Chez said:

Yes.

My thoughts too just not suited to the premier league where decisions need to be a lot quicker 

[Jack]

45 minutes ago, Polegategavin243 said:

Unfortunately, as you say KWP leaves Hardie, but it appears to be premeditated, I think to be taken up by Bernarek, as he enters his “zone” but Bednarek is ball watching and just allows him to get across him and knock it in the goal.

Could be that. If KWP had followed across the near post into JB’s space then there’s another man at the back post completely unmarked. 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

1 hour ago, Polegategavin243 said:

It absolutely was. His anticipation and desire to get in position or to block shots is woeful. He was responsible for at least 2 of the goals last week. Everyone talking about CB replacements seems to have a blind spot for how poor he is. He must be replaced if we are to achieve promotion.

I agree but unfortunately he isn't getting replaced any time soon. No one more disappointed than me when he turned up again at the backend of last season

[Smirking_Saint]

1 hour ago, Polegategavin243 said:

It absolutely was. His anticipation and desire to get in position or to block shots is woeful. He was responsible for at least 2 of the goals last week. Everyone talking about CB replacements seems to have a blind spot for how poor he is. He must be replaced if we are to achieve promotion.

KWP loses his man and Stephens utterly fails to defend his front post

The only real way Bednerak is at fault is if KWP verbally passed him off and considering we don’t see JB move his head at all then Id suggest it’s unlikely 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Polegategavin243 said:

It absolutely was. His anticipation and desire to get in position or to block shots is woeful. He was responsible for at least 2 of the goals last week. Everyone talking about CB replacements seems to have a blind spot for how poor he is. He must be replaced if we are to achieve promotion.

We are obviously getting a starting cb in and they will obviously replace bednarek. I'm not too worried about that because it's going to happen. 

[Fan The Flames]

Manning's performances reminds us that a champ type player, isn't always a straightforward replacement for a prem type player, even one who struggled last season.

[Smirking_Saint]

7 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Manning's performances reminds us that a champ type player, isn't always a straightforward replacement for a prem type player, even one who struggled last season.

He reminds me of Danny Fox tbh

[Saint_Ash]

3 hours ago, Give it to Ron said:

Quite funny Sky picking up us being called dirty northern bastards today. Not sure we have been called that before 🙂

Did you not go to the games back in league one when we played Plymouth? They called us that then, I think it's hilarious  😂

[austsaint]

6 hours ago, niceandfriendly said:

He’s not a terrible player. Nobody hates him. Relax. But his two errors have directly contributed to two goals, and he didn’t have a great game today. He did put in a few good crosses you’re right. Again, chill, nobody wants him dead. 

He (Manning) is/should be under the microscope though because he looks distinctly average thus far.    Just too static for my liking and clearly lacks pace.   Doesn't press or get close to attacking threats and even if he has a narrow role under RM, doesn't show any capacity to bomb forward or overlap.    The only plus side I can see is a sound passing game and a good left foot cross - but not at the level of Perraud's quality in those areas and I'd like to think that Larios has scope to have a bigger impact.  

[Streaky]

5 hours ago, Hopper said:

The lad was all over the park and man of the match... 

Who the fuck is Sean Charles 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

2 hours ago, Polegategavin243 said:

Unfortunately, as you say KWP leaves Hardie, but it appears to be premeditated, I think to be taken up by Bernarek, as he enters his “zone” but Bednarek is ball watching and just allows him to get across him and knock it in the goal.

This is right. It all happened quite fast but KWP had to hold back and cover the far post and needed Bednarek to recognise that the player was coming into his area

[Give it to Ron]

3 hours ago, Saint_Ash said:

Did you not go to the games back in league one when we played Plymouth? They called us that then, I think it's hilarious  😂

One of my favourite away days took lads from footie team in a mini bus  when Ricky put away that penalty knew we were up.

[Saint_clark]

It's really encouraging that we're getting results despite obvious issues in our performances. I keep using the Burnley comparison but it is relevant - after 12 games they'd only won 4 games, but only lost 1 as well. We've made a really solid start.

[SWLondonSaint]

No VAR makes a 95th minute winner even better!

Charles superb, especially in the second half. 

great travelling support for a long old trek. Bring on QPR!

[obelisk]

100% on the road. All that's required now is to get the St Mary's monkey off the back.

[WestMidSaint]

Great to grind out another late win. We definitely deserved it. Plymouth were really poor. Their passing was dire at points and they panicked like anything at the back when playing out. They had the freedom to waltz through our non existent centre midfield and couldn’t take advantage of it. 
 

Great finish by Tella. Also Bazunu did the business at the end with the high balls in the box. 
 

Their goal was so poor. Manning too slow getting back after the slip, to slow getting across to stop the cross and then no one dealing with the striker’s run across goal to the near post. 
 

There was a theme of being too slow. Too slow to pressure the GK and defenders when then had the ball at their feet and too slow to stop crosses-even at the death. 
 

Think we desperately need a CM or 2 and obviously a CB. 
 

Great we got another win and some momentum with a strong start to build on, but I do think we were lucky to be playing such a poor team. 

[SW11_Saint]

4 minutes ago, WestMidSaint said:

Great to grind out another late win. We definitely deserved it. Plymouth were really poor. Their passing was dire at points and they panicked like anything at the back when playing out. They had the freedom to waltz through our non existent centre midfield and couldn’t take advantage of it. 
 

Great finish by Tella. Also Bazunu did the business at the end with the high balls in the box. 
 

Their goal was so poor. Manning too slow getting back after the slip, to slow getting across to stop the cross and then no one dealing with the striker’s run across goal to the near post. 
 

There was a theme of being too slow. Too slow to pressure the GK and defenders when then had the ball at their feet and too slow to stop crosses-even at the death. 
 

Think we desperately need a CM or 2 and obviously a CB. 
 

Great we got another win and some momentum with a strong start to build on, but I do think we were lucky to be playing such a poor team. 

I didn’t think Plymouth were poor at all. Workmanlike maybe, but they had the better of the first half I’d argue, and never gave up - even after our late goal. They’ll more than hold their own in this division, possibly even an outside bet for the playoffs. 
 

Best kit in the league too…

[Green Army 75]

All in all, even as an Argyle fan, it would be fair to say to you deserved the 3 points. 

Our young team gave their all but rushed and panicked in the first half when we had promising positions and made the wrong choices with the ball.  
 

Second half you came out and had cleary been told to be more direct and productive with the ball.  Eventually the pressure you could exert paid off. 
 

I am left with 3 thoughts 

1). I think we’ve enough to stay up.  
2). The transfer window should shut before the season starts.  Will our competitors have to defend the same forward line as we did?
3). I’m really surprised how critical some of your fans are of your players!

Best of luck for the rest of the season.