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14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I do agree that the gap is just getting bigger by the year. Next season you'll have Leicester automatically on the back foot, it'll be a tough ask for them to stay up starting on -10. By Christmas I reckon their fans will have wished they'd avoided promotion. Ipswich, great story, but they're no where near the required level yet - they may spend a lot, who knows...but it could be another Luton style story.

Whoever goes up out of us and Leeds is best placed to make the biggest crack of it, in my opinion. I think you'll see the likes of Brentford dragged right into it next year, they've looked really poor for a while now.

Brentford’s decline seems to begin with the departure of a certain Rasmus W Ankersen. Coincidence?

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19 hours ago, whelk said:

Well if we don’t go up having those 3 teams back down shouldn’t unduly trouble us next season

 

19 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

That is this a positive slant to take for sure! This 3 are a terrible, terrible bunch. Sheffield United are going to have to start again - awful, awful team. It's the sort of season teams struggle to recover from the next year.

Luton had their moment, I think they'll be in and around the playoffs but no more than that. The league will be much more open next year, no established PL teams coming down full of PL players.

Last week, I looked at the OPTA ratings of us, Leicester, Leeds, WBA, Norwich and Ipswich and the bottom four EPL teams and, we were above only WBA, Norwich, Ipswich and Sheffield United.  ( link on another thread.)  The relegated teams will undoubtedly lose some good players but, if we do not go up, so shall we.  So it will not necessarily be as easy to get promoted next year as it might seem just by looking at the points this year’s relegated teams achieved and saying that they cannot be as good as us.

Just saying the obvious.

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6 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

 

Last week, I looked at the OPTA ratings of us, Leicester, Leeds, WBA, Norwich and Ipswich and the bottom four EPL teams and, we were above only WBA, Norwich, Ipswich and Sheffield United.  ( link on another thread.)  The relegated teams will undoubtedly lose some good players but, if we do not go up, so shall we.  So it will not necessarily be as easy to get promoted next year as it might seem just by looking at the points this year’s relegated teams achieved and saying that they cannot be as good as us.

Just saying the obvious.

Will be 10x harder next year, without doubt - I just don't think there will be a runaway 3 or 4 as we had this year, it will be a little more open. Ourselves, Leeds and Leicester came down last year with huge wage bills, established PL players etc - not very often that happens, you often have a 'yo yo' team back.

This year we'll have the 3 promoted sides straight back down, none of them have any established PL players or huge wage bills to cater for. Sheffield United is one that I look at and I can't see them recovering to mount a serious charge, top 10 at a push for me. It won't be easy to get over the season they've had.

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22 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

That PL season has to be one of the worst, if not the worst ever quality wise. Absolute bilge.

 

A truly terrible season. The only three consistent teams competed in the top 3 positions, the rest were just a much of a muchness. Pretty inventible Man City would win it again, it's all very boring now.

You can thank FPP for that, it’s done exactly what it was intended to do. Spiked Newcastle’s guns so they couldn’t spend big even after champions league qualification (which is what’ll happen to Villa), now looks like Chelsea will need to sell assists to comply, hampering their development. If someone wants to chuck money at a club, like City did, they can’t. If they could, it would be more competitive. 

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3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

He'll get found out next season. 

What do you mean “found out”?

I’ve seen countless posts on this forum suggesting Ipswich will get “found out” and, guess what, they didn’t. They pretty much breezed the Championship. There’s nothing to suggest McKenna will get “found out”.

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23 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

What do you mean “found out”?

I’ve seen countless posts on this forum suggesting Ipswich will get “found out” and, guess what, they didn’t. They pretty much breezed the Championship. There’s nothing to suggest McKenna will get “found out”.

There's a massive difference between the Championship and the Premier League. As the three promoted teams found out this season. I wasn't really that impressed with them after the two games we had against them. 

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8 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

There's a massive difference between the Championship and the Premier League. As the three promoted teams found out this season. I wasn't really that impressed with them after the two games we had against them. 

Fair enough 

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9 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

There's a massive difference between the Championship and the Premier League. As the three promoted teams found out this season. I wasn't really that impressed with them after the two games we had against them. 

In the same way that Brentford have been found out?

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28 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

In the same way that Brentford have been found out?

Ah, but Brentford had the benefit of the most gifted man in football working for them. Not sure Ipswich have anyone in the Rasmus mould that can take them to the next level. 

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10 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

There's a massive difference between the Championship and the Premier League. As the three promoted teams found out this season. I wasn't really that impressed with them after the two games we had against them. 

Ipswich have done something similar to what we did. Built a good team in League 1 with room to grow. They've then rocked up in the champ with simple enough tactics but players that know each others games inside and out - they've got a solid enough defence, and then clever attackers. If they keep the team/management together, there is nothing to stop them likely make a few good acquisitions and adapting to the prem. Sure, they might have a rocky start (like we did), but the squad and fan morale will carry them a long way. They're better that Luton and have more momentum than them going up, so i wouldn't write them off at all.

If we do get promoted, i think it will be a much tougher prem next season than this season. But bizarrely, i think our style of play will suit the prem more. Equally, we've got some good players on loan at other clubs that can come back in without transfer fees, and you'd like to think we'd have a good shot THB and Downes as well. I actually think we'll be alright next season regardless of whether we win at Wembley or not.

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It's interesting to see the hype around McKenna - being linked with the managers job at Brighton, Chelsea & Man Utd!  I can't remember Adkins getting the same hype, albeit social media was a lot simpler back then

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https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-confirm-squad-newcastle-friendly-australia-b1158801.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1e8tWLOsdTkf5bxQ68sKfzsQAwjZaerWxqbDnmUFtB98tULpbiZzcRNPg_aem_ASGxKiIRczuQMDXs4IRecSvI716brYAxYxe5dyqLGOQ8wJxjwkaYN18dAf6HSpCuoh_7j0bE3noFz9eTLUdKNmq4
 

two premier league clubs heading to Australia to play each other in a friendly. Then they moan about too many games 🤦

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2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-confirm-squad-newcastle-friendly-australia-b1158801.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1e8tWLOsdTkf5bxQ68sKfzsQAwjZaerWxqbDnmUFtB98tULpbiZzcRNPg_aem_ASGxKiIRczuQMDXs4IRecSvI716brYAxYxe5dyqLGOQ8wJxjwkaYN18dAf6HSpCuoh_7j0bE3noFz9eTLUdKNmq4
 

two premier league clubs heading to Australia to play each other in a friendly. Then they moan about too many games 🤦

That’s a long way to go for a kickabout. I’m surprised they couldn’t find somewhere more local 🙄

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2 hours ago, Barsiem said:

It's interesting to see the hype around McKenna - being linked with the managers job at Brighton, Chelsea & Man Utd!  I can't remember Adkins getting the same hype, albeit social media was a lot simpler back then

Adkins didn't have McKenna's hipster friendly backstory.

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9 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Ipswich have done something similar to what we did. Built a good team in League 1 with room to grow. They've then rocked up in the champ with simple enough tactics but players that know each others games inside and out - they've got a solid enough defence, and then clever attackers. If they keep the team/management together, there is nothing to stop them likely make a few good acquisitions and adapting to the prem. Sure, they might have a rocky start (like we did), but the squad and fan morale will carry them a long way. They're better that Luton and have more momentum than them going up, so i wouldn't write them off at all.

If we do get promoted, i think it will be a much tougher prem next season than this season. But bizarrely, i think our style of play will suit the prem more. Equally, we've got some good players on loan at other clubs that can come back in without transfer fees, and you'd like to think we'd have a good shot THB and Downes as well. I actually think we'll be alright next season regardless of whether we win at Wembley or not.

Yeah but we had a billionaire owner. They, on the other hand … oh wait. 

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30 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Poch sacked by Chelsea

De Zerbi in then.

Seems bizarre, albeit only followed from a distance. Poch looked like he had finally got things going to me. Plus if it is De Zerbi, I think he’s a tad overrated.

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51 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

From the few sound bites I'd heard from Poch, it sounded as though he saw it coming. Also that he'd gone through some internal discussions, and wasn't going to be that upset if it did.

It's being quoted as mutual consent - I guess he mutually consented to a big fuck off pay cheque.

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I agree with what others are saying, he's better out of Chelsea. Dodged a bullet and got paid a tasty pay off.

Chelsea 'should' be getting annihilated by FFP next year, so they could be treading into very awkward times.

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Since the turn of the year only City, Arsenal and Liverpool have won more points than Chelsea. They've played 18, won 10, drawn 5 and lost 3. Those losses came against Arsenal, Liverpool and Wolves, so other than Wovles they weren't totally unexpected. As mentioned, Pochettino was just getting this young Chelsea team who had Jackson upfront going.

Boehly's got to be one of the worst owner's to have entered the game in terms of club stature, expenditure and results. He just seems to want everything with no clear plan. A stereotypical American.

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4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I agree with what others are saying, he's better out of Chelsea. Dodged a bullet and got paid a tasty pay off.

Chelsea 'should' be getting annihilated by FFP next year, so they could be treading into very awkward times.

The long contracts they gave as many of their new players to spread costs, selling Gallagher, loan fees and sales from their player farm will go a long way to balancecthat.

Poch always used to say it would take a while for his ideas to sink in, and for him the change a club's direction. Multiply that with the nonsense going on at Chelsea, and that could well have been things turning round. But it looks as though all parties had enough by that stage.

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Don’t care what anybody says…Poch is a brilliant coach/manager. 
he’s been piss poor on taking jobs that are literally the kiss of death for anyone.basket case clubs.  
except for us of course.We were very clever in noticing him and bringing him in.
obviously…we were always a stepping stone….to basket case clubs. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

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5 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

De Zerbi in then.

Seems bizarre, albeit only followed from a distance. Poch looked like he had finally got things going to me. Plus if it is De Zerbi, I think he’s a tad overrated.

Not as overrated as Poch.

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17 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

De Zerbi in then.

Seems bizarre, albeit only followed from a distance. Poch looked like he had finally got things going to me. Plus if it is De Zerbi, I think he’s a tad overrated.

It was by mutual consent. Poch explained to one of the owners that young players need experienced players to improve, but the club are planning on selling senior players this summer to bring in more young players, and Poch thinks that will take the club backwards, whereas the owner was saying that the players at the club now have experience. It was something along those lines, conversation was about 6 weeks ago

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22 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Plus if it is De Zerbi, I think he’s a tad overrated.

 

17 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Not as overrated as Poch.

Difference being De Zerbi , and possibly McKenna, are overrated whilst their careers are rising so they can afford to be overrated.

I’m surprised that with his most recent record ( PSG, Chelsea), Poch is still talked about for Man Utd and Bayern. 

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Incredible performance by Atalanta to end Bayer Leverkusen's unbeaten run, the best result in their history.

Leverkusen have already created history of course, but must be gutting to get so close to the invincible treble and miss out. Doubt any team will get that close again in my lifetime.

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I think Scotland cutting off their nose to spite their face not picking wee man. Picked two injured Saints players already a risk but then add a kid in his place who has not played since December but is a Liverpool player instead plus compounded by they got massive injuries at wing backs which is what Ryan can play and has shown he can play well. Stupid decision imo. 

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''I got my acca, from Lucas Paqueta''

Looks like he's fucked on his betting dodgyness, media are reporting a 10-year ban which I find hard to believe. It'll be at least a year or two thought I'd think. WHU now have an asset they were going to flog for £80m unable to do anything. He was going to fund their transfers.

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

''I got my acca, from Lucas Paqueta''

Looks like he's fucked on his betting dodgyness, media are reporting a 10-year ban which I find hard to believe. It'll be at least a year or two thought I'd think. WHU now have an asset they were going to flog for £80m unable to do anything. He was going to fund their transfers.

Nothing dodgy happening here at all. All perfectly normal.

 

 

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On 21/05/2024 at 21:23, AlexLaw76 said:

McKenna in talks with Brighton, apparently 

In talks with Man United and Chelsea according to Sky 🤣🤣

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10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

In talks with Man United and Chelsea according to Sky 🤣🤣

Just looked at the odds. Poch favourite for Man Utd, McKenna favourite to Chelsea and Potter favourite to Brighton. Means fuck all of course

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11 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

''I got my acca, from Lucas Paqueta''

Looks like he's fucked on his betting dodgyness, media are reporting a 10-year ban which I find hard to believe. It'll be at least a year or two thought I'd think. WHU now have an asset they were going to flog for £80m unable to do anything. He was going to fund their transfers.

There is a precedent. For those a bit too young to remember, in 1962 Peter Swan of Sheffield Wednesday was involved in a betting scandal and was banned for life in 1964. This was lifted in 1972. A couple of other players who were also involved received similar bans. 

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26 minutes ago, Kingsland Codger said:

There is a precedent. For those a bit too young to remember, in 1962 Peter Swan of Sheffield Wednesday was involved in a betting scandal and was banned for life in 1964. This was lifted in 1972. A couple of other players who were also involved received similar bans. 

Very recent example too, exactly the same charges - but just one occasion of spot-fixing, rather than the 4 he's been charged with.

Kynan Isaac: Stratford Town defender given 10-year ban for involvement in FA Cup spot-fixing - BBC Sport

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5 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Maresca in the mix for Chelsea:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/may/23/chelsea-enzo-maresca-new-manager-thomas-frank-kieran-mckenna

Man Utd going for Tuchel:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/may/23/thomas-tuchel-manchester-united-if-ten-hag-sacked

What a strange club Chelsea have become. Outside of FFP restrictions, money is seemingly no object, they have an amazing recent history and could easily pay for the elite managers’ available.

yet, here they are.

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